RE: Lamborghini Huracan Performante at the 'ring
Discussion
InductionRoar said:
PurpleAki said:
Haters! Let the b
hing commence...
hing commence...Maldini35 said:
Really?
Let's see a customer car do it before we get carried away.
Look at the facts.
Lambo would have been planning the marketing of this car for months. A record Ring lap would have been at the heart of their launch plan. So there is a lot riding on it delivering a stellar lap time.
Given that there are NO independent checks on the car beforehand, it's likely that Lamborghini would have done everything possible to that car to make it achieve that lap. Wouldn't you? If your job depended on it?
Race engine, bespoke gearing, non-standard lightweight parts, race tyres (or race compounds) etc. etc.
There is NO way of telling if it was a representative car.
So do we just take Lamborghini's word for it?
The same people that are trying to sell the things?
If a Russian sprinter claimed to break the 100m world record by half a second, in private, without any drug testing, or independent witnesses would you believe it was all above board? Yep, that's the new world record....
It looks like a fast car and the driver showed incredible commitment but let's not just blindly swallow the marketing hype.
Didn't have to wait long. Let's see a customer car do it before we get carried away.
Look at the facts.
Lambo would have been planning the marketing of this car for months. A record Ring lap would have been at the heart of their launch plan. So there is a lot riding on it delivering a stellar lap time.
Given that there are NO independent checks on the car beforehand, it's likely that Lamborghini would have done everything possible to that car to make it achieve that lap. Wouldn't you? If your job depended on it?
Race engine, bespoke gearing, non-standard lightweight parts, race tyres (or race compounds) etc. etc.
There is NO way of telling if it was a representative car.
So do we just take Lamborghini's word for it?
The same people that are trying to sell the things?
If a Russian sprinter claimed to break the 100m world record by half a second, in private, without any drug testing, or independent witnesses would you believe it was all above board? Yep, that's the new world record....
It looks like a fast car and the driver showed incredible commitment but let's not just blindly swallow the marketing hype.
Was the 918 time set using a customer car?
Stunning time regardless.
The 918 set its Ring time using a non-standard fixed roof, with no upholstery, and no roof light.
The 6:57 time for the 918 may well have been around ~7:05 if it had been fitted with the proper standard roof and weighty interior.
In reality, it looks likely the Lambo HP is probably 10-15secs faster than a standard 918 round the Nurb.
hondansx said:
I think that's a little patronising to professional drivers. Even at a large circuit like the 'Ring, you would be surprised how consistent they are with lap times.
not meant to be. I mean that for proper top trump pub talk...as happens here... you have to remove the variables. And a driver is a variable. Give me Performante and put Walter Rohl in a 918 and the 918 'would destroy!' the Lambo...Obviously if you put Mikka Hakkinen in the Lambo and David Coulthard in the Porsche it would be a damn sight closer...but still not 'the same'...
Anyway, I wouldn't say that Lambo is an a whole new league here, but it's nothing short of incredible, the car (regardless of mods) and the driver looking really calm inside... simply amazing, and without doubt will make likes of Porsche who seem now to be only other comparible marque posting times..(?) sit up and re-assess... 991.2 GT3 has it's work cut out...
Interesting that they're under the same umbrella corporation too... got to love some inter-family battles
This is game chnaging for Lamborghini, puts them back up there as the poster-child...so unless some Trunp-esque fakery is uncovered, then they're back where they should be, not just with outrageous design but with stats to back it up....and also superb that it's NA V12... and it looks 'proper' macho, the aero witchcraft is bonkers, but to achieve that without resorting to the 'bar of soap' school of design (720 and Nebula) just make it all the cooler in my book.
Edited by Quickmoose on Wednesday 1st March 19:30
Quickmoose said:
not meant to be. I mean that for proper top trump pub talk...as happens here... you have to remove the variables. And a driver is a variable. Give me Performante and put Walter Rohl in a 918 and the 918 'would destroy!' the Lambo...
Obviously if you put Mikka Hakkinen in the Lambo and David Coulthard in the Porsche it would be a damn sight closer...but still not 'the same'...
It always interests me how the ability of professional drivers is perceived outside the racing community. Generally, I feel there's a perception that everyone in F1 is a huge step above those in 'lesser' forms of motorsport like GT racing. The reality is that someone like Marco Mapelli (who drove the Lambo) is probably considerably faster than either Mikka Hakkinen or David Coulthard! Obviously if you put Mikka Hakkinen in the Lambo and David Coulthard in the Porsche it would be a damn sight closer...but still not 'the same'...
Having raced at a semi professional level myself, there really isn't much of a difference once you get to the final 5% of drivers. Ultimately, anyone who's finishing in the top 5 of any competitive club, national or international series will be within a few tenths of one another. Dare I say that if you put Lewis Hamilton, Ayrton Senna or Alain Prost up again people like Andy Priaux, Darren Turner, Oil Webb or Benoît Tréluyer and they'd have a very tough time. In fact, Andre Lotterer pretty resoundingly outperformed Marcus Ericsson when he drove the Caterham F1 car at Spa, despite having never tested the car before that weekend and out qualified him by a full second!
Edited by RacerMike on Wednesday 1st March 20:20
Quickmoose said:
hondansx said:
I think that's a little patronising to professional drivers. Even at a large circuit like the 'Ring, you would be surprised how consistent they are with lap times.
and also superb that it's NA V12... and it looks 'proper' macho, the aero witchcraft is bonkers, but to achieve that without resorting to the 'bar of soap' school of design (720 and Nebula) just make it all the cooler in my book.PurpleAki said:
Quickmoose said:
hondansx said:
I think that's a little patronising to professional drivers. Even at a large circuit like the 'Ring, you would be surprised how consistent they are with lap times.
and also superb that it's NA V12... and it looks 'proper' macho, the aero witchcraft is bonkers, but to achieve that without resorting to the 'bar of soap' school of design (720 and Nebula) just make it all the cooler in my book.and also it's pretty superb that it's a NA V10
InductionRoar said:
PurpleAki said:
Haters! Let the bhing commence...
hing commence...Maldini35 said:
Really?
Let's see a customer car do it before we get carried away.
Look at the facts.
Lambo would have been planning the marketing of this car for months. A record Ring lap would have been at the heart of their launch plan. So there is a lot riding on it delivering a stellar lap time.
Given that there are NO independent checks on the car beforehand, it's likely that Lamborghini would have done everything possible to that car to make it achieve that lap. Wouldn't you? If your job depended on it?
Race engine, bespoke gearing, non-standard lightweight parts, race tyres (or race compounds) etc. etc.
There is NO way of telling if it was a representative car.
So do we just take Lamborghini's word for it?
The same people that are trying to sell the things?
If a Russian sprinter claimed to break the 100m world record by half a second, in private, without any drug testing, or independent witnesses would you believe it was all above board? Yep, that's the new world record....
It looks like a fast car and the driver showed incredible commitment but let's not just blindly swallow the marketing hype.
Didn't have to wait long. Let's see a customer car do it before we get carried away.
Look at the facts.
Lambo would have been planning the marketing of this car for months. A record Ring lap would have been at the heart of their launch plan. So there is a lot riding on it delivering a stellar lap time.
Given that there are NO independent checks on the car beforehand, it's likely that Lamborghini would have done everything possible to that car to make it achieve that lap. Wouldn't you? If your job depended on it?
Race engine, bespoke gearing, non-standard lightweight parts, race tyres (or race compounds) etc. etc.
There is NO way of telling if it was a representative car.
So do we just take Lamborghini's word for it?
The same people that are trying to sell the things?
If a Russian sprinter claimed to break the 100m world record by half a second, in private, without any drug testing, or independent witnesses would you believe it was all above board? Yep, that's the new world record....
It looks like a fast car and the driver showed incredible commitment but let's not just blindly swallow the marketing hype.
Was the 918 time set using a customer car?
Stunning time regardless.
Great to watch a pro driver that committed though.
Edited by Maldini35 on Wednesday 1st March 22:26
Maldini35 said:
I agree - the 918 time is equally meaningless - that's kind of the point I was making
Great to watch a pro driver that committed though.
That depends.. the 918 has so far pretty much been far faster than any other car on every magazine comparison on every track (the Harris Portimao one being the big exception). So the 6:57 that it did is not implausible. The SV (that was running some very fancy tyres) that was supposed to do a 6:59 was nowhere even close to the 918s times elsewhere. It should be mildly interesting to see what other times the Performante is able to do later this summer with SportAuto etc.....Great to watch a pro driver that committed though.
I'm surprised this video hasn't been linked already, unless I've missed something. Technical look into whether or not this time was actually possible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhpbHUPLbKY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhpbHUPLbKY
Petrolhead95 said:
I'm surprised this video hasn't been linked already, unless I've missed something. Technical look into whether or not this time was actually possible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhpbHUPLbKY
you missed it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhpbHUPLbKY
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