RE: Lamborghini Huracan Performante at the 'ring
Discussion
rtz62 said:
I'm getting old. Or simple. Or both.
To me a Lamborghini shouldn't NEED a 'Performante' version, they are, or should be, the ultimate in performance without having to add or remove all sorts of geegaws.
Do I care, as a potential purchaser, that the halo model of the marque goes around some place in Germany a couple of seconds quicker than a Porsche or Ferrari? No, of course not, because although I may have the wherewithal to purchase one, I haven't got the stainless steel cahones and absolute disregard for my own life to even contemplate driving one at 10/10's around the Nurburgring.
Each to their own, both manufacturers and purchasers, but for me this performance arms race is getting mad.
And you can bet that our wonderful governments will eventually outlaw cars like these, and tracks, which will be a crying shame, despite my antediluvian viewpoint.
Agreed I wouldn't go near the Ring despite the fact I drive a race car,personally its a accident waiting to happen and I have very small Cahooners To me a Lamborghini shouldn't NEED a 'Performante' version, they are, or should be, the ultimate in performance without having to add or remove all sorts of geegaws.
Do I care, as a potential purchaser, that the halo model of the marque goes around some place in Germany a couple of seconds quicker than a Porsche or Ferrari? No, of course not, because although I may have the wherewithal to purchase one, I haven't got the stainless steel cahones and absolute disregard for my own life to even contemplate driving one at 10/10's around the Nurburgring.
Each to their own, both manufacturers and purchasers, but for me this performance arms race is getting mad.
And you can bet that our wonderful governments will eventually outlaw cars like these, and tracks, which will be a crying shame, despite my antediluvian viewpoint.
It is generally a BIG accident as well when it happens 
However the Ring is a great measure of how a performance car will drive on an English country lane or Alpine pass
so from that point of view I think it is very relevant excersise ?PurpleAki said:
Juno said:
PurpleAki said:
Juno said:
PurpleAki said:
Look, I'm a fellow Lamborghini owner, but you're getting tiresome now. If you are parodying RamboLambo, fine, but even then its not really amusing anymore.
What a bizarre reply.
Don't know what else to say.
Nothing What a bizarre reply.
Don't know what else to say.
MagicMonkey said:
That image is not a Performante 
Juno said:
MagicMonkey said:
That image is not a Performante MagicMonkey said:
Juno said:
MagicMonkey said:
That image is not a Performante Juno said:
MagicMonkey said:
Juno said:
MagicMonkey said:
That image is not a Performante 
I saw the Huracans being built alongside the R8's in the new AudiSport factory.
The Audi engineers despaired that the Italians insisted on chopping a couple of inches off the front of the chassis to make the Huracan nose look 'sharper'.
Very Lamborghini I thought.
I quite like the Huracan but not as a serious drivers car. They're just not as fun to drive as they should be (I have tried one)
I'm sure the Performante is a big improvement on the standard car but it would take more than a meaningless ring lap set by a crazy driving god in a hooky car to convince me to spend my money on one.
I would have to look at Porsche, McLaren or Ferrari for a real drivers car - something with real feel. A car to actually enjoy driving near and over the limit.
Lamborghini's are many things but have never been that.
The Audi engineers despaired that the Italians insisted on chopping a couple of inches off the front of the chassis to make the Huracan nose look 'sharper'.
Very Lamborghini I thought.
I quite like the Huracan but not as a serious drivers car. They're just not as fun to drive as they should be (I have tried one)
I'm sure the Performante is a big improvement on the standard car but it would take more than a meaningless ring lap set by a crazy driving god in a hooky car to convince me to spend my money on one.
I would have to look at Porsche, McLaren or Ferrari for a real drivers car - something with real feel. A car to actually enjoy driving near and over the limit.
Lamborghini's are many things but have never been that.
It won't actually be faster than a 918, it will have just done a faster lap time.
It's a stupid track for benchmarking, as it's all down to how fast the driver really wants to go. You could probably knock 20+ seconds off EVERY lap time if that track had big run off areas etc... Sure, people will say "in a more stable car it's less risky to push harder, so it's a better car..." and all that b
ks - well true enough, but it makes it neither faster nor better.
It's a shame the manufacturers picked such a pointless track for comparison, but I suspect they knew what they were doing.
It's a stupid track for benchmarking, as it's all down to how fast the driver really wants to go. You could probably knock 20+ seconds off EVERY lap time if that track had big run off areas etc... Sure, people will say "in a more stable car it's less risky to push harder, so it's a better car..." and all that b
ks - well true enough, but it makes it neither faster nor better. It's a shame the manufacturers picked such a pointless track for comparison, but I suspect they knew what they were doing.
Surely if all the manufacturers like posting times done there, only the driver and the weather really separate them...
In that way any, track used by the majority of brands is a relevant benchmark, and then even more so if the same driver is used in similar conditions.
Then it's all down to the car and it's spec.
It could be doing circuits round Bournemouth town centre, but if everyone uses the same track, then it becomes a measure worthy of note.
In that way any, track used by the majority of brands is a relevant benchmark, and then even more so if the same driver is used in similar conditions.
Then it's all down to the car and it's spec.
It could be doing circuits round Bournemouth town centre, but if everyone uses the same track, then it becomes a measure worthy of note.
Maldini35 said:
Juno said:
This would get your attention 650BHP of 2WD Attention grabbing Boooooost 
That looks fantasticHere's one going round the Ring, you will NOT believe your eyes. Think it happens at about 3 mins 50 seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGqOG0V7-Yk
Quickmoose said:
Surely if all the manufacturers like posting times done there, only the driver and the weather really separate them...
In that way any, track used by the majority of brands is a relevant benchmark, and then even more so if the same driver is used in similar conditions.
Then it's all down to the car and it's spec.
It could be doing circuits round Bournemouth town centre, but if everyone uses the same track, then it becomes a measure worthy of note.
I think that's a little patronising to professional drivers. Even at a large circuit like the 'Ring, you would be surprised how consistent they are with lap times.In that way any, track used by the majority of brands is a relevant benchmark, and then even more so if the same driver is used in similar conditions.
Then it's all down to the car and it's spec.
It could be doing circuits round Bournemouth town centre, but if everyone uses the same track, then it becomes a measure worthy of note.
I am impressed with the Huracan; some amazing performance figures given it is not turbocharged. Just shows what advantage modern gearboxes and launch control can achieve. However, i remember last year at Goodwood i had a bit of a naughty tussle in a 991 GT3 with one and i was surprised that it didn't pull away even towards mighty speeds. Makes me wonder how quick it is in the real world.
Which for me, casts down on the whole 'Ring time. The 918 surely has a much bigger track, much wider tyres and it has the power to overcome the drag of it's big rear wing. My guess is the Performante is somewhat 'optimised'.
Going back to the P1, LaF and 918 argument, it is not a secret that the 918 has a specially developed Michelin Cup tyre. I believe there is a stickier compound still; maybe that's what Lamborghini has used.
Jamesp24 said:
Haters! Let the bhing commence...Jamesp24 said:
Incredible time.Lambo now is just in a whole different league to all other supercar makers.
Yipper said:
Jamesp24 said:
Incredible time.Lambo now is just in a whole different league to all other supercar makers.
Let's see a customer car do it before we get carried away.
Look at the facts.
Lambo would have been planning the marketing of this car for months. A record Ring lap would have been at the heart of their launch plan. So there is a lot riding on it delivering a stellar lap time.
Given that there are NO independent checks on the car beforehand, it's likely that Lamborghini would have done everything possible to that car to make it achieve that lap. Wouldn't you? If your job depended on it?
Race engine, bespoke gearing, non-standard lightweight parts, race tyres (or race compounds) etc. etc.
There is NO way of telling if it was a representative car.
So do we just take Lamborghini's word for it?
The same people that are trying to sell the things?
If a Russian sprinter claimed to break the 100m world record by half a second, in private, without any drug testing, or independent witnesses would you believe it was all above board? Yep, that's the new world record....
It looks like a fast car and the driver showed incredible commitment but let's not just blindly swallow the marketing hype.
PurpleAki said:
Haters! Let the bhing commence...
hing commence...Maldini35 said:
Really?
Let's see a customer car do it before we get carried away.
Look at the facts.
Lambo would have been planning the marketing of this car for months. A record Ring lap would have been at the heart of their launch plan. So there is a lot riding on it delivering a stellar lap time.
Given that there are NO independent checks on the car beforehand, it's likely that Lamborghini would have done everything possible to that car to make it achieve that lap. Wouldn't you? If your job depended on it?
Race engine, bespoke gearing, non-standard lightweight parts, race tyres (or race compounds) etc. etc.
There is NO way of telling if it was a representative car.
So do we just take Lamborghini's word for it?
The same people that are trying to sell the things?
If a Russian sprinter claimed to break the 100m world record by half a second, in private, without any drug testing, or independent witnesses would you believe it was all above board? Yep, that's the new world record....
It looks like a fast car and the driver showed incredible commitment but let's not just blindly swallow the marketing hype.
Didn't have to wait long. Let's see a customer car do it before we get carried away.
Look at the facts.
Lambo would have been planning the marketing of this car for months. A record Ring lap would have been at the heart of their launch plan. So there is a lot riding on it delivering a stellar lap time.
Given that there are NO independent checks on the car beforehand, it's likely that Lamborghini would have done everything possible to that car to make it achieve that lap. Wouldn't you? If your job depended on it?
Race engine, bespoke gearing, non-standard lightweight parts, race tyres (or race compounds) etc. etc.
There is NO way of telling if it was a representative car.
So do we just take Lamborghini's word for it?
The same people that are trying to sell the things?
If a Russian sprinter claimed to break the 100m world record by half a second, in private, without any drug testing, or independent witnesses would you believe it was all above board? Yep, that's the new world record....
It looks like a fast car and the driver showed incredible commitment but let's not just blindly swallow the marketing hype.
Was the 918 time set using a customer car?
Stunning time regardless.
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