RE: New Ford Fiesta ST - official!
Discussion
cib24 said:
This looks like a worse car than the previous one.
All aluminum engine means it won't be able to take big power.
The rear looks like a Golf GTI which is the most bland car in existence.
The interior dash and central console are looks horrible.
It also looks heavier by 50-100kg.
The only thing that looks okay are the wheels.
It sounds like its becoming a modern car to me - Why would anybody except the select few want 'big power' from a Fiesta ST? Key things now are economy, emissions and safety to go with performance.All aluminum engine means it won't be able to take big power.
The rear looks like a Golf GTI which is the most bland car in existence.
The interior dash and central console are looks horrible.
It also looks heavier by 50-100kg.
The only thing that looks okay are the wheels.
It may be heavier, but how do you know? Just from looking at it - that engine will save weight no doubt.
The Fiesta will probably still be one of the best of the bunch in the bracket that it sits in, the new Clio is one of the worst looking cars I have ever seen and many of the others more expensive and slower.
Slightly OT but I've noticed that people get their knickers in a bit of a knot about very small capacity engines pushing out actually quite modest amounts of power, yet once capacity reaches circa 2 litres there's not a murmur.
For example I've often heard say a 1.0 ecoboost delivering 125ps as being 'stressed' yet I don't think I've ever heard anyone mention similar concerns about current 2 litre turbos producing upwards of 280ps despite a higher specific output.
For example I've often heard say a 1.0 ecoboost delivering 125ps as being 'stressed' yet I don't think I've ever heard anyone mention similar concerns about current 2 litre turbos producing upwards of 280ps despite a higher specific output.
Rick1.8t said:
It sounds like its becoming a modern car to me - Why would anybody except the select few want 'big power' from a Fiesta ST? Key things now are economy, emissions and safety to go with performance.
I see what you're saying but you're talking from the perspective of someone who isn't a petrolhead, key incentives for most current owners would be a notable power increase, handling improvements (lsd etc) and other dynamic adjustments or at least a significant reduction in weight.kambites said:
Looks like a sensible evolution of the old car... whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is obviously a matter of personal opinion.
Pretty much what I was thinking.I know it needs to compete with the current crop of slightly more up to date cars in its segment but I can't help feeling it might just make it a bit too bland for its own good. Who knows.
I'm just about to see my current ST3 MP215 go in the next month or two and am "upgrading" to a Golf R.Thing is it kinda doesn't feel like much of an upgrade, it feels more boring but I do need the space... I'm worried this new ST might be doing the same.
WCZ said:
Rick1.8t said:
It sounds like its becoming a modern car to me - Why would anybody except the select few want 'big power' from a Fiesta ST? Key things now are economy, emissions and safety to go with performance.
I see what you're saying but you're talking from the perspective of someone who isn't a petrolhead, key incentives for most current owners would be a notable power increase, handling improvements (lsd etc) and other dynamic adjustments or at least a significant reduction in weight.We cant keep seeing power increases or where will it stop? In 2040 would you see a 300bhp fiesta ST? They said there may be handling benefits but an LSD to many owners is completely pointless as they wont drive it to that level on the road to notice and wont ever track the car.
Reduction in weight isnt happening anytime soon, less weight usually means less gadgets, less material (so less safety) or the car being made from a lighter more expensive material - All of which will put of customers if it impacts cost or safety.
I think the ST is probably the most petrolhead purchased car in its class but I bet many of the buyers just wont care about the things we do here - Just like many of the people who purchase modern BMW's.
WCZ said:
I see what you're saying but you're talking from the perspective of someone who isn't a petrolhead, key incentives for most current owners would be a notable power increase, handling improvements (lsd etc) and other dynamic adjustments or at least a significant reduction in weight.
And I see what you're saying but I disagree.Whilst all of them would be great to see, I would wager that the majority of current Fiesta ST drivers aren't particularly fussed about the new model offering a notable power increase, the addition of a LSD etc. I also think it's unrealistic to expect any new small car to be released nowadays with a significant weight reduction compared the previous model.
cib24 said:
This looks like a worse car than the previous one.
All aluminum engine means it won't be able to take big power.
The rear looks like a Golf GTI which is the most bland car in existence.
The interior dash and central console are looks horrible.
It also looks heavier by 50-100kg.
The only thing that looks okay are the wheels.
"Wont take big power", er, its making 200 bhp, already, in a Fiesta, how much do you want and since when were Aluminium engines not capable of taking a power increase ? I am looking at 500 bhp AMG Mercs with the M113 engine, which I believe is Aluminium block and heads, quite a few out there with 800 bhp, the M278 is also Aluminium, many with big power, in fact, dont know who is still using Cast Iron ?All aluminum engine means it won't be able to take big power.
The rear looks like a Golf GTI which is the most bland car in existence.
The interior dash and central console are looks horrible.
It also looks heavier by 50-100kg.
The only thing that looks okay are the wheels.
And you can weight things by looking at them, that is quite a skill, am guessing with 1 cylinder less the engine will be lighter, Ford have made the new car a bit lighter from what I read, am guessing here but I dont think it will be massively heavier based on that evidence.
So having found a niche Ford have, naturally, taken a s
t on it and made a car no-one in that niche would want.
Well done there - well done.
It was interesting watching one of Matt Farah (SmokingTyre's) videos recently - he was driving a modded Fiesta ST. He used to own a modded ST but changed-up to a Focus RS and reading between the lines of what he said, I think he'd rather have kept the Fiesta (much grumbling about the Focus mixing-up crashy ride with sporty suspension and fewer tuning options)
t on it and made a car no-one in that niche would want.Well done there - well done.
It was interesting watching one of Matt Farah (SmokingTyre's) videos recently - he was driving a modded Fiesta ST. He used to own a modded ST but changed-up to a Focus RS and reading between the lines of what he said, I think he'd rather have kept the Fiesta (much grumbling about the Focus mixing-up crashy ride with sporty suspension and fewer tuning options)
Rick1.8t said:
How many people purchasing one are 'Petrolheads' now though?
We cant keep seeing power increases or where will it stop? In 2040 would you see a 300bhp fiesta ST? They said there may be handling benefits but an LSD to many owners is completely pointless as they wont drive it to that level on the road to notice and wont ever track the car.
Reduction in weight isnt happening anytime soon, less weight usually means less gadgets, less material (so less safety) or the car being made from a lighter more expensive material - All of which will put of customers if it impacts cost or safety.
I think the ST is probably the most petrolhead purchased car in its class but I bet many of the buyers just wont care about the things we do here - Just like many of the people who purchase modern BMW's.
Actually I'm sure a 300bhp Fiesta will eventually happen.We cant keep seeing power increases or where will it stop? In 2040 would you see a 300bhp fiesta ST? They said there may be handling benefits but an LSD to many owners is completely pointless as they wont drive it to that level on the road to notice and wont ever track the car.
Reduction in weight isnt happening anytime soon, less weight usually means less gadgets, less material (so less safety) or the car being made from a lighter more expensive material - All of which will put of customers if it impacts cost or safety.
I think the ST is probably the most petrolhead purchased car in its class but I bet many of the buyers just wont care about the things we do here - Just like many of the people who purchase modern BMW's.
It's easy to dismiss every car buyer as brainless but isn't it coincidental that everyone bought the renaultsport 182 clios but now no one buys them ? - does an ordinary person agree with the press and dismiss it because of lack of a manual gearbox?
The ST was lauded by the press for it's raw-fun hot hatch feel, with low down torque and ample power/good handling, qualities that petrolheads are more likely the appreciate than a 'normal' person, maybe they aren't bothered by it but I'm sure it has a trickle down effect and I do think that power figures are an important part of incentivizing a model change.
lord trumpton said:
Adz The Rat said:
Hmmm I had a 1.0 ecoboost 125 and that felt like the engine was being stressed a bit too much. I don't think I would fancy a 1.5 3-cylinder.
Balls 
I like those wheels, and not sure why Ford have "s
t" on it, logical evolution, was the four cyl turbo in the existing ST such a tour de force ? suspectit will do pretty good mpg when being driven sedately and 3 cysl sound better than most 4's.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff