Audi DieselGate - Always Get It In Writing

[liner33]

r11co said:

Indeed. First logical fallacy of statistical analysis - correlation does not equate to causation. Yipper's assertion in brackets is exactly that - an assertion. They may indeed be contributory factors, but spending bilions of pounds mitigating them may be wasteful when spending the same or less money on education on diet and healthcare may achieve better gains.

Just saying, like.

Exactly , if I lived in Glasgow I wouldnt care about it either , whats the average male life expectancy 45 ?

[Derek Smith]

blueg33 said:

People who live near busy roads are also typically in poor socio economic groups, so other factors like diet and healthcare come into play.

I'm not sure you understand how such stats are arrived at. They eliminate, as much as possible I admit, other variables, and socio-economic grouping is one of the basics.

The only thing that is not eliminated is that vehicles on the roads are both petrol and diesel powered.

There is no argument that diesel fumes, up to the latest emission standards at least, kill.

[anonymous-user]

So does cheese if inhaled.

[speedking31]

alock said:

Why is no one questioning why the government is legislating against stuff the electorate don't care about?

Like speeding?

[Plug Life]

The Volkswagen Group's foundation is Ferdinand Porsche stealing Tatra designs for Hitler, no surprise that it's still rotten to the core. Fortunately for them ignorance is a bliss as some posts in this thread from the UK equivalents of coal-rolling rednecks demonstrate nicely.

[Alucidnation]

You need to relax.

You'll live longer.

[Yipper]

blueg33 said:

Yipper said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

The main reason no one cares is because they know the diesel demonisation is 'fake news' promulgated by eco-loons and vested interests, there is no realistic health risk whatsoever.

Air has never been cleaner in cities.

That is what 4-star fanatics used to say in the 1920s to 1980s before leaded petrol was banned...

The evidence that diesel (and petrol) vehicles spew out bad stuff which harms the lungs, heart and brain of babies, children and adults is overwhelming. People who live near busy roads die younger than those who live away from them (due to air and noise pollution).

If diesel is not bad for you, then please go ahead and stand 5 feet behind a diesel bus chucking black soot out the exhaust for 8 hours every day and see how many years you live...

Dirty diseasels have had their day. Time for them to go.

People who live near busy roads are also typically in poor socio economic groups, so other factors like diet and healthcare come into play.

Nah. Stripping out socioeconomic and environmental factors, people who live near busy roads die younger than people who live away from them.

Here's some stuff on how it impacts the brain:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38506735

[Alucidnation]

Yipper said:

Nah. Stripping out socioeconomic and environmental factors, people who live near busy roads die younger than people who live away from them.

Here's some stuff on how it impacts the brain:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38506735

As usual, a lot of 'coulds' and 'cans' in that article.

So, nothing conclusive with regards to that condition.

[Adz The Rat]

Regiment said:

Looking at all the new Audis and VWs, no one in the UK cares at all about a car manufacturer lying to their faces about how much noxious gas their cars emit and slowly killing them and their loved ones.

Won't somebody think of the children??

[lee_erm]

Alucidnation said:

As usual, a lot of 'coulds' and 'cans' in that article.

So, nothing conclusive with regards to that condition.

Get yourself on Google Scholar and search the terms 'no2 effects on human health'. There's rather a lot of conclusive evidence.

Edited by lee_erm on Sunday 26th February 17:51

[Krikkit]

What gets me is how widespread it was - there were clearly hundreds (if not thousands) of management and engineering staff aware of the problem, but not a single person blew the whistle to the authorities!

[ging84]

JimSuperSix said:

So does cheese if inhaled.

Or eat more than you should

[VGTICE]

Krikkit said:

not a single person blew the whistle to the authorities!

They knew they'd become unemployable.