RE: Suzuki Swift Sport: PH Fleet

[Itsallicanafford]

gweaver said:

We could spend all day arguing with the trolls over what's hot and what's not, that doesn't really matter.
The main thing is.. is it fun?

I bet you have more fun in yours than the average Golf R driver.

It was cetainly fun at this point...

[Toyoda]

s m said:

What about the Mazda2 115ps Sport?

6-speed - slightly lighter, nearly the same performance

Exactly this. For a start, the SSS isn't a hot hatch, doesn't have the performance of a hot hatch, and isn't the last N/A hot hatch. It's at best a warm hatch, and isn't the last of these as s_m rightly points out, the Madza2 referenced above with the detuned mx5 engine isn't far off the pace of the SSS.

Nobody's questioning that they're a fun car (and possibly give more thrills than cars with double the power) but calling it a hot hatch and even comparing it to an old EP3 is an insult to the EP3.

[Michaelhunt]

Anyone that's driven a rental Swift at the Nurburgring knows how great they are!

I will admit they are a bit slow in standard form though but then that's all age/experience dependant. I would say a SS is probably too fast for a first car but perfect for your second.

[gweaver]

Toyoda said:

comparing it to an old EP3 is an insult to the EP3.

Not really. The torque to weight ratio is similar, and the power to weight ratio is only about 20% off.
The Clio 182, on the other hand, makes both look anaemic.

The Mazda2 I wouldn't describe as a warm hatch. It's a supermini with a good turn of pace, but lacks the agility and driver involvement I'd expect of a warm hatch. The RS Twingo, Swift, Ignis, 106 & Saxo all had that something required to qualify as at least "warm".

[s m]

WigWonder79 said:

I think the point being raised here, and the reason for PH running the car on the fleet, is that fact that as an OEM, Suzuki are the last to offer a 'sporting' N/A version of their car. As they are no longer making this version, it means that the choice, for us as consumers, is now narrowed - until the new version appears, albeit turbo'd...

It's frankly irrelevant whether you like the car or not, surely the market is better off for having the car, than not? It's shame that other OEMs don't fancy trying to replicate the success of the SSS. Thank goodness for Suzuki being brave enough to offer it then and I welcome the soften of the prices of used models when the new one is announced at the Geneva show.

Apart from Mazda who still offer a warm naturally aspirated hatch that is light like the Suzuki

115bhp is a bit less than the Suzuki true....but more than a Panda 100hp and sufficient that EVO, Autocar and Performance Car included it in comparison tests with the Suzuki and Fiat ( performance wise it fell between .....but then, these cars aren't all about performance, right?.... and 115bhp was as much as a 1.6 205 Gti ever got )

Here's the stats




Still shows on the configurator if you do want a new, small revvy hatch that's naturally aspirated

As gweaver says, the Suzuki gets rated better .....but it still got good reviews

[dieseluser07]

Having driven an older swift sport and a new fiesta st i feel i can weigh in here.

The swift was fantastic fun up to 50/60mph, it performed best on country roads, but on motorways or overtaking any other car on a road that wasent a 30/40 wasent enjoyable, having to rev it right out to pass cars and not a massive rate was a bit embaressing at times.

The st is fantastic all of the time, torque makes it so much nicer to drive, however a few times i found myself wishing i was in a sss at certain points on the journey, where i could rev it out and enjoy it singing without going too fast too quick.

All in all both great, but i personally would find the swift sport too hard to live with on a daily basis and especially for any type of motorway commute as it can become incredibly tiring.

[gweaver]

s m said:

Apart from Mazda

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the Suzuki gets rated better .....but it still got good reviews

That's the old Fiesta based Mazda2. Autocar described it thus: "Best of all, it feels sporty" (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/mazda/2-2007-2014/ride). To be fair, they like the new one too.

[gweaver]

dieseluser07 said:

Having driven an older swift sport

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i personally would find the swift sport too hard to live with on a daily basis and especially for any type of motorway commute as it can become incredibly tiring.

The new one is fine on the motorway. More comfortable and much less buzzy.

[s m]

gweaver said:

s m said:

Apart from Mazda

..

the Suzuki gets rated better .....but it still got good reviews

That's the old Fiesta based Mazda2. Autocar described it thus: "Best of all, it feels sporty" (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/mazda/2-2007-2014/ride). To be fair, they like the new one too.

True...but it was the old model Swift as well for fairness and it was more for the comparison than to see the new one tested in isolation

Still the same gap between them ....but the Mazda has a little bit more performance now.


Anyway, my post was just to say......you can still buy a warm hatch that weighs 1050kg with a 1.5 naturally aspirated engine that'll do 0-60 in 8.5 and 125mph - maybe the Mazda2 Sport is as close as you'll get to the Swift Sport if you want brand new

[dieseluser07]

gweaver said:

The new one is fine on the motorway. More comfortable and much less buzzy.

But not torquey thats my main point

[gweaver]

Itsallicanafford said:

It was cetainly fun at this point...

Just as long as you weren't having this much fun:

https://youtu.be/yDlbaETf0HA?t=9s

[Alucidnation]

Itsallicanafford said:

gweaver said:

We could spend all day arguing with the trolls over what's hot and what's not, that doesn't really matter.
The main thing is.. is it fun?

I bet you have more fun in yours than the average Golf R driver.

It was cetainly fun at this point...

Still the best pic ever!

[Itsallicanafford]

^ think it was xtreme who were covering the day, they took some cracking shots...

[HannsG]

My choice was between this and a Panda 100HP.
I chose the Panda cos of MPG and fun factor.

[Toyoda]

gweaver said:

Toyoda said:

comparing it to an old EP3 is an insult to the EP3.

Not really. The torque to weight ratio is similar, and the power to weight ratio is only about 20% off.

Not really lol! Pretend all you want but in a straight line or round a track the EP3 will wipe the floor with your SSS. They're in different leagues regardless of your calculations.

[avenger286]

I liked the SSS when I went for a test drive and agree with all the positive comments about the car and the people who dis it as not a hot hatch I don't think understand what a hot hatch is .
I didn't get a SSS in the end as I found a car that puts even more of a smile on your face and feels more special .
Still a 1600 but I just loved the Twingo 133 and still have it abit it now has 165 bhp not 133 .
The Suzuki and Renault have the same ethos but the Twingo has that bit of French madness . I don't know of another car that has a green shift light at over 7k that looks like a thumbs up ! It's like the car saying go on give me a good thrashing I love it !

[Itsallicanafford]

gweaver said:

Just as long as you weren't having this much fun:

https://youtu.be/yDlbaETf0HA?t=9s

...great Vid! Note they were mainly Saxos and not 106's spinning, totally different car

[VeeFource]

HannsG said:

My choice was between this and a Panda 100HP.
I chose the Panda cos of MPG and fun factor.

I know they're meant to be riots to drive, but I can't imagine it would have the edge over the SSS for fun factor? Surely it's all about the cost savings?

[gweaver]

Autocar Suzuki Swift Sport vs Honda Civic Type R Mugen vs Renault Clio Cup: group test

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/suzuki-...

[ian2144]

We rented a Suzuki swift at the Nurburgring an absolute riot on The twisty bits. A very underrated car . The company we used was Rent 4 Ring. Don't get this back to front