RE: Huracan Performante clocks 6min 52sec 'ring lap
Discussion
ChocolateFrog said:
I think it matters because we generally have a collective sense of fairness, moreso than VAG judging by recent history. To see a manufacturer supposedly cheat to generate publicity just isn't cricket and if they have they should be outed.
Absolutely. We don't like being lied to and, more importantly, it's unfair on those companies who have set genuine times to claim you've beaten them by cheating. As you say, that's not cricket, very poor form.RamboLambo said:
Massive Own Goal scored here by Lamborghini PR department that has been found out and exposed as a FAKE ring time.
Some will say any publicity is good publicity but in this case I would say its already damaged the credibility of the Performante before its even launched.
The sad thing is that it would have probably set a reasonably fast time without all the cheating
Nobody has proved anything to be fake as yet just lots of opinions. Some will say any publicity is good publicity but in this case I would say its already damaged the credibility of the Performante before its even launched.
The sad thing is that it would have probably set a reasonably fast time without all the cheating
Meanwhile at a Mac owners club meeting(-:
sone said:
Nobody has proved anything to be fake as yet just lots of opinions.
Meanwhile at a Mac owners club meeting(-:
It looks like you would benefit from a tutorial on how to input emojis properly from Yipper as something appears to have gone a little awry with yours Sone. Unfortunately he seems to have vacated the thread though, can't think why?Meanwhile at a Mac owners club meeting(-:
gigglebug said:
sone said:
Nobody has proved anything to be fake as yet just lots of opinions.
Meanwhile at a Mac owners club meeting(-:
It looks like you would benefit from a tutorial on how to input emojis properly from Yipper as something appears to have gone a little awry with yours Sone. Unfortunately he seems to have vacated the thread though, can't think why?Meanwhile at a Mac owners club meeting(-:
sone said:
Nobody has proved anything to be fake as yet just lots of opinions.
Some opinions however are far more grounded in something substantial than others. The youtube video and bridgetogantry have some hard numbers to back up some pretty glaring issues. The people refuting that seem to be relying mainly on 'lambo said it was so ergo it must be true'....So Lambo publish a video. It's very good. Appears to claim a record lap time. Not bad.
Meanwhile a bunch of armchair detectives with relevant scientific education, credentials or track record claim it's all faked.
Clearly, it's all just sour grapes from fan boys who can't bear to admit that their preferred brand - likely mclaren or Ferrari might now be dealing with a credible performance car from Lambo, who up till now have been largely irrelevantly producing Knightsbridge cruisers.
As a fan of all super car brands, I think this achievement is great. At least Lambo had the balls to publish the time unlike Mclaren.
Meanwhile a bunch of armchair detectives with relevant scientific education, credentials or track record claim it's all faked.
Clearly, it's all just sour grapes from fan boys who can't bear to admit that their preferred brand - likely mclaren or Ferrari might now be dealing with a credible performance car from Lambo, who up till now have been largely irrelevantly producing Knightsbridge cruisers.
As a fan of all super car brands, I think this achievement is great. At least Lambo had the balls to publish the time unlike Mclaren.
subirg said:
So Lambo publish a video. It's very good. Appears to claim a record lap time. Not bad.
Meanwhile a bunch of armchair detectives with relevant scientific education, credentials or track record claim it's all faked.
Clearly, it's all just sour grapes from fan boys who can't bear to admit that their preferred brand - likely mclaren or Ferrari might now be dealing with a credible performance car from Lambo, who up till now have been largely irrelevantly producing Knightsbridge cruisers.
As a fan of all super car brands, I think this achievement is great. At least Lambo had the balls to publish the time unlike Mclaren.
Yes, and Trump defiantly did not seak Russian help to win the election. Meanwhile a bunch of armchair detectives with relevant scientific education, credentials or track record claim it's all faked.
Clearly, it's all just sour grapes from fan boys who can't bear to admit that their preferred brand - likely mclaren or Ferrari might now be dealing with a credible performance car from Lambo, who up till now have been largely irrelevantly producing Knightsbridge cruisers.
As a fan of all super car brands, I think this achievement is great. At least Lambo had the balls to publish the time unlike Mclaren.
Lambo will get found out when the cars hit track days and get eaten by Maccas and Porka's, customers crying about ring times while getting lapped by 675LTs.
TrackTwit said:
subirg said:
So Lambo publish a video. It's very good. Appears to claim a record lap time. Not bad.
Meanwhile a bunch of armchair detectives with relevant scientific education, credentials or track record claim it's all faked.
Clearly, it's all just sour grapes from fan boys who can't bear to admit that their preferred brand - likely mclaren or Ferrari might now be dealing with a credible performance car from Lambo, who up till now have been largely irrelevantly producing Knightsbridge cruisers.
As a fan of all super car brands, I think this achievement is great. At least Lambo had the balls to publish the time unlike Mclaren.
Yes, and Trump defiantly did not seak Russian help to win the election. Meanwhile a bunch of armchair detectives with relevant scientific education, credentials or track record claim it's all faked.
Clearly, it's all just sour grapes from fan boys who can't bear to admit that their preferred brand - likely mclaren or Ferrari might now be dealing with a credible performance car from Lambo, who up till now have been largely irrelevantly producing Knightsbridge cruisers.
As a fan of all super car brands, I think this achievement is great. At least Lambo had the balls to publish the time unlike Mclaren.
Lambo will get found out when the cars hit track days and get eaten by Maccas and Porka's, customers crying about ring times while getting lapped by 675LTs.
Lapped my arse!
sone said:
I doubt that very much as the standard Huracan on track is very very close to most macs. I own both 991 GT3RS and Std Huracan and the Huracan is quicker than the Porsche without doubt. Have a read through the rennlist see what the actual drivers of these cars who have actually driven them both have to say.
Lapped my arse!
Precisely. The Huracan is a much under rated car in standard form . This new version is definitely going to be very quick. Lapped my arse!
Why the armchair detectives think Lambo are complete morons who were born yesterday is beyond me. They wouldn't claim this time without being very sure the car is capable of at least getting close.
subirg said:
sone said:
I doubt that very much as the standard Huracan on track is very very close to most macs. I own both 991 GT3RS and Std Huracan and the Huracan is quicker than the Porsche without doubt. Have a read through the rennlist see what the actual drivers of these cars who have actually driven them both have to say.
Lapped my arse!
Precisely. The Huracan is a much under rated car in standard form . This new version is definitely going to be very quick. Lapped my arse!
Why the armchair detectives think Lambo are complete morons who were born yesterday is beyond me. They wouldn't claim this time without being very sure the car is capable of at least getting close.
There is no way that this car is faster over 1 lap of the ring than the P1 and 918, and when customer cars turn up on track and get eaten by 675s will VAG send them some compo? I doubt it,
I am considering buying one myself, but I know full well it is not going to be that quick. Exact same story with the SV, ask owners who tracked them last year how they got on .....!
subirg said:
Precisely. The Huracan is a much under rated car in standard form . This new version is definitely going to be very quick.
Why the armchair detectives think Lambo are complete morons who were born yesterday is beyond me. They wouldn't claim this time without being very sure the car is capable of at least getting close.
For a start no one is disputing whether or not the Performante will be a quick car, it obviously will be. What is being disputed is whether the lap time being claimed by Lamborghini is a) accurate and b) representative of what a customer car will be capable of.Why the armchair detectives think Lambo are complete morons who were born yesterday is beyond me. They wouldn't claim this time without being very sure the car is capable of at least getting close.
Your last sentence is absolute nonsense. If Lamborghini are claiming that the Performante is able to lap the Ring in a certain time prior to it's release with the intention to promote it's capabilities to potential customers and gain sales it needs to be able to lap the Ring in that time and not merely be, and I quote, "capable of at least getting close"
gigglebug said:
subirg said:
Precisely. The Huracan is a much under rated car in standard form . This new version is definitely going to be very quick.
Why the armchair detectives think Lambo are complete morons who were born yesterday is beyond me. They wouldn't claim this time without being very sure the car is capable of at least getting close.
For a start no one is disputing whether or not the Performante will be a quick car, it obviously will be. What is being disputed is whether the lap time being claimed by Lamborghini is a) accurate and b) representative of what a customer car will be capable of.Why the armchair detectives think Lambo are complete morons who were born yesterday is beyond me. They wouldn't claim this time without being very sure the car is capable of at least getting close.
Your last sentence is absolute nonsense. If Lamborghini are claiming that the Performante is able to lap the Ring in a certain time prior to it's release with the intention to promote it's capabilities to potential customers and gain sales it needs to be able to lap the Ring in that time and not merely be, and I quote, "capable of at least getting close"
"I Quote" - Lambo will get found out when the cars hit track days and get eaten by Maccas and Porka's, customers crying about ring times while getting lapped by 675LTs.
sone said:
Much like your last jottings!
"I Quote" - Lambo will get found out when the cars hit track days and get eaten by Maccas and Porka's, customers crying about ring times while getting lapped by 675LTs.
Your quoting the wrong person Sone."I Quote" - Lambo will get found out when the cars hit track days and get eaten by Maccas and Porka's, customers crying about ring times while getting lapped by 675LTs.
Out of interest do you have experience of the Gallardo as well? I have but not of the Huracan and was wondering if it feels significantly bigger on the road than the Gallardo?
gigglebug said:
Your quoting the wrong person Sone.
Out of interest do you have experience of the Gallardo as well? I have but not of the Huracan and was wondering if it feels significantly bigger on the road than the Gallardo?
Apologies fella you're right!Out of interest do you have experience of the Gallardo as well? I have but not of the Huracan and was wondering if it feels significantly bigger on the road than the Gallardo?
No to be honest no experience of the Gallardo, I'm all for double clutch gearboxes etc (strangely I've got an Aventador S on order) the Huracan feels no wider than any Ferrari I've ever driven and a lot shorter than most. Easy to drive I just won't park it in a single standard width space as the doors are quite long.
sone said:
Apologies fella you're right!
No to be honest no experience of the Gallardo, I'm all for double clutch gearboxes etc (strangely I've got an Aventador S on order) the Huracan feels no wider than any Ferrari I've ever driven and a lot shorter than most. Easy to drive I just won't park it in a single standard width space as the doors are quite long.
No worries, thought I'd ask just in case your garage wasn't wholly representative of the cars you've experienced. Nice list by the way!No to be honest no experience of the Gallardo, I'm all for double clutch gearboxes etc (strangely I've got an Aventador S on order) the Huracan feels no wider than any Ferrari I've ever driven and a lot shorter than most. Easy to drive I just won't park it in a single standard width space as the doors are quite long.
foxsasha said:
"Press release from Pirelli...
Milan, March 3, 2017 - Using specially-developed Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R tyres, Lamborghini has beaten the lap record at the Nurburgring in Germany.
Pirelli equipped the new Lamborghini Huracan Performante that set a lap time of 6m52.1s around the legendary Nordschleife on October 5 last year, breaking the existing production car record.
The Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R tyres, in 245/30ZR20 at the front and 305/30ZR20 at the back were designed specifically by Pirelli's engineers for the record attempt. The team was able to develop these tyres in just three months, thanks to advanced modelling techniques and correlation of on-track data with telemetry.
As a result, the combined work of Pirelli and Lamborghini's engineers meant that a base set-up was established with just one development session.
Together with Lamborghini's research and development team, the Pirelli engineers responsible for developing specific tyres for the Huracan Performante were also present at the Nurburgring when the record was broken.
The P Zero Trofeo R has been specifically designed to complement the performance of extreme cars – especially on a racing circuit – in complete safety. The tyres react precisely to the driver's inputs while on the limit, typical of circuit driving. On dry asphalt, P Zero Trofeo R ensures high levels of grip and consist handling even under the most extreme conditions.
P Zero Trofeo R uses motorsport-derived compounds made from innovative materials as well as a redesigned tread pattern. These have led to extraordinary results, both in terms of increased stability and improved lateral roadholding in the dry, while at the same time reducing wear.
From the track, the new Huracan Performante now goes on show: the car will be previewed globally at the Geneva Motor Show, wearing made to measure P Zero Corsa road tyres."
Good post.Milan, March 3, 2017 - Using specially-developed Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R tyres, Lamborghini has beaten the lap record at the Nurburgring in Germany.
Pirelli equipped the new Lamborghini Huracan Performante that set a lap time of 6m52.1s around the legendary Nordschleife on October 5 last year, breaking the existing production car record.
The Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R tyres, in 245/30ZR20 at the front and 305/30ZR20 at the back were designed specifically by Pirelli's engineers for the record attempt. The team was able to develop these tyres in just three months, thanks to advanced modelling techniques and correlation of on-track data with telemetry.
As a result, the combined work of Pirelli and Lamborghini's engineers meant that a base set-up was established with just one development session.
Together with Lamborghini's research and development team, the Pirelli engineers responsible for developing specific tyres for the Huracan Performante were also present at the Nurburgring when the record was broken.
The P Zero Trofeo R has been specifically designed to complement the performance of extreme cars – especially on a racing circuit – in complete safety. The tyres react precisely to the driver's inputs while on the limit, typical of circuit driving. On dry asphalt, P Zero Trofeo R ensures high levels of grip and consist handling even under the most extreme conditions.
P Zero Trofeo R uses motorsport-derived compounds made from innovative materials as well as a redesigned tread pattern. These have led to extraordinary results, both in terms of increased stability and improved lateral roadholding in the dry, while at the same time reducing wear.
From the track, the new Huracan Performante now goes on show: the car will be previewed globally at the Geneva Motor Show, wearing made to measure P Zero Corsa road tyres."
Edited by foxsasha on Saturday 4th March 09:44
Pirelli has double-confirmed Lamborghini broke the Nurb production-car record.
Lambo + Pirelli vs. amateur YouTube conspiracy nuts...
sone said:
gigglebug said:
subirg said:
Precisely. The Huracan is a much under rated car in standard form . This new version is definitely going to be very quick.
Why the armchair detectives think Lambo are complete morons who were born yesterday is beyond me. They wouldn't claim this time without being very sure the car is capable of at least getting close.
For a start no one is disputing whether or not the Performante will be a quick car, it obviously will be. What is being disputed is whether the lap time being claimed by Lamborghini is a) accurate and b) representative of what a customer car will be capable of.Why the armchair detectives think Lambo are complete morons who were born yesterday is beyond me. They wouldn't claim this time without being very sure the car is capable of at least getting close.
Your last sentence is absolute nonsense. If Lamborghini are claiming that the Performante is able to lap the Ring in a certain time prior to it's release with the intention to promote it's capabilities to potential customers and gain sales it needs to be able to lap the Ring in that time and not merely be, and I quote, "capable of at least getting close"
"I Quote" - Lambo will get found out when the cars hit track days and get eaten by Maccas and Porka's, customers crying about ring times while getting lapped by 675LTs.
ETA - now addressed I see.
As a Lambo fan and owner maybe you can give your thoughts on how a standard customer spec Performante is 36 seconds a lap quicker than your already 'bloody quick' standard huracan?
Edited by Boshly on Sunday 5th March 08:15
Boshly said:
sone said:
gigglebug said:
subirg said:
Precisely. The Huracan is a much under rated car in standard form . This new version is definitely going to be very quick.
Why the armchair detectives think Lambo are complete morons who were born yesterday is beyond me. They wouldn't claim this time without being very sure the car is capable of at least getting close.
For a start no one is disputing whether or not the Performante will be a quick car, it obviously will be. What is being disputed is whether the lap time being claimed by Lamborghini is a) accurate and b) representative of what a customer car will be capable of.Why the armchair detectives think Lambo are complete morons who were born yesterday is beyond me. They wouldn't claim this time without being very sure the car is capable of at least getting close.
Your last sentence is absolute nonsense. If Lamborghini are claiming that the Performante is able to lap the Ring in a certain time prior to it's release with the intention to promote it's capabilities to potential customers and gain sales it needs to be able to lap the Ring in that time and not merely be, and I quote, "capable of at least getting close"
"I Quote" - Lambo will get found out when the cars hit track days and get eaten by Maccas and Porka's, customers crying about ring times while getting lapped by 675LTs.
As a Lambo fan and owner maybe you can give your thoughts on how a standard customer spec Performante is 36 seconds a lap quicker than your already 'bloody quick' standard huracan?
It is easy to see where the Performante has gone so much faster. On the corners and big bends. The active-aero is sucking it down. For example, in the fastest lap of the 918 versus the Performante, the Lambo gains the best part of half a second in the Karussell.
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