RE: Huracan Performante clocks 6min 52sec 'ring lap

[Sway]

leglessAlex said:

I imagine the people doubting the time will still be doubting it tbh, there isn't a lot in that to directly prove it was legitimate or otherwise.

750% increase in downforce is seriously impressive, regardless of the time being legit or not (I think it probably is) it'll be a seriously fast car on track.

Edited by leglessAlex on Monday 6th March 19:04

The fact they're only talking percentages is of note I feel.

Easy to achieve a 750% increase if the benchmark only has 1kg net downforce!

Any ideas what real numbers we're taking about?

[leglessAlex]

Sway said:

leglessAlex said:

I imagine the people doubting the time will still be doubting it tbh, there isn't a lot in that to directly prove it was legitimate or otherwise.

750% increase in downforce is seriously impressive, regardless of the time being legit or not (I think it probably is) it'll be a seriously fast car on track.

Edited by leglessAlex on Monday 6th March 19:04

The fact they're only talking percentages is of note I feel.

Easy to achieve a 750% increase if the benchmark only has 1kg net downforce!

Any ideas what real numbers we're taking about?

I wondered that too.

If it was generating 50kg before it's generating 375kg now (I think), so it'll probably be a fairly substantial number even if the starting point was low.

[Sway]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

I spoke too soon ?

Can't be arsed with the ring lap either way, to be honest in my opinion the Nurburgring has done more to shift sports cars away from what I enjoy than most things.

I'm not a race driver, have never timed a single lap. I want to enjoy the experience, and unfortunately the pursuit of a time often hampers that - particularly when I spend a fraction of a percent driving on track.

Merely pointing out that the easiest way to achieve a massive percentage increase is to start with a low value.

[Sway]

leglessAlex said:

I wondered that too.

If it was generating 50kg before it's generating 375kg now (I think), so it'll probably be a fairly substantial number even if the starting point was low.

Being pedantic, if it's an increase of 750% then you can add the starting point so it'd be 425kg net.

Which would be astounding.

[isaldiri]

sixspeed said:

Here's a turn of events. Racelogic have now done the same analysis that they did on the lap video from the Huracan P, on the 918 and Aventador SV laps. Guess what - their analysis shows that the INDICATED SPEEDS on THOSE videos are the inaccurate ones.

I have found it odd that everyone lay the smoking gun at Lamborghini's feet when this laptime emerged, and never questioned that it might be the Porsche video that was inaccurate here.

• note: this only refers to the indicated MPH speeds that are shown on the post-edit rendered dash overlays. No one is questioning the times of the individual laps.

Actually the one that is wrong is the SV. The 918 racelogic has said is fine. Bit weird how the SV was way out but not the performante. Ah well at least that's cleared up that one is clearly wrong.

i await to see how the perfomante does in other mag tests over summer and even more so to actually see how they perform on track when customers get their cars...

[leglessAlex]

Sway said:

leglessAlex said:

I wondered that too.

If it was generating 50kg before it's generating 375kg now (I think), so it'll probably be a fairly substantial number even if the starting point was low.

Being pedantic, if it's an increase of 750% then you can add the starting point so it'd be 425kg net.

Which would be astounding.

Whoops, maybe I shouldn't be doing engineering in uni eh? Brain's a bit fried

I agree, it's likely they will have started with a very low number indeed but it's possible it really is generating properly significant downforce. I tried to find outright numbers for the Huracan or Gallardo (as apparently the Huracan has 50% more than that) but my google-fu failed me.

[isaldiri]

leglessAlex said:

Whoops, maybe I shouldn't be doing engineering in uni eh? Brain's a bit fried

I agree, it's likely they will have started with a very low number indeed but it's possible it really is generating properly significant downforce. I tried to find outright numbers for the Huracan or Gallardo (as apparently the Huracan has 50% more than that) but my google-fu failed me.

In the other thread. Sportauto supertest had the Huracan producing 10kg of downforce at 200km/h, 5kg front and rear. (windkanal per picture)



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[MDBRL]

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[thegreenhell]

Sport Auto Supertest lap - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un2RVNPPiFU

Somewhat slower than the official time...

[cib24]

Does Sport Auto do their own independent testing of cars on the ring or was this some sort of crowd funded effort, or are they some other type of outfit?

[RacerMike]

thegreenhell said:

Sport Auto Supertest lap - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un2RVNPPiFU

Somewhat slower than the official time...

Interesting to watch side by side with the Lambo effort:

https://viewsync.net/watch?v=un2RVNPPiFU&t=47&...

[thegreenhell]

cib24 said:

Does Sport Auto do their own independent testing of cars on the ring or was this some sort of crowd funded effort, or are they some other type of outfit?

They're a German car magazine who've tested most high performance cars at the Ring over the last 20 or so years.

[RacerMike]

cib24 said:

Does Sport Auto do their own independent testing of cars on the ring or was this some sort of crowd funded effort, or are they some other type of outfit?

They're a magazine/testing body so the cars are largely provided by the manufacturers. They always use the same driver...used to be Hurst von Saurma and is now Christian Gebhardt (aka Mr Elbows) who's done it for at least the last 3-4 years. Christian has a fair bit of racing experience, so he's no slouch.

[isaldiri]

thegreenhell said:

Sport Auto Supertest lap - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un2RVNPPiFU

Somewhat slower than the official time...

Still a very good time though. Just perhaps not quite as quick as the factory time suggested. Strange it took quite so long for SportAuto to publish the supertest as they had clearly done the hockenheim lap last year already.

[thegreenhell]

To be fair, the time deficit between the SA and factory Lambo laps is the same as it was for the Porsche 918 (6:57 factory versus 7:13 for Sport Auto).

It probably says more about the different testing methods than anything. Sport Auto typically only get one warm up lap followed by one timed flying lap in the car, compared to the multiple laps that the factory drivers have to chip away at the time. At least Sport Auto are consistent in their methods between different cars.

[isaldiri]

thegreenhell said:

To be fair, the time deficit between the SA and factory Lambo laps is the same as it was for the Porsche 918 (6:57 factory versus 7:13 for Sport Auto).

It probably says more about the different testing methods than anything. Sport Auto typically only get one warm up lap followed by one timed flying lap in the car, compared to the multiple laps that the factory drivers have to chip away at the time. At least Sport Auto are consistent in their methods between different cars.

I don't believe that's the case any more (1 warm up and 1 flyer) actually.

The more accurate comparison is to the more recent times, ie 2rs and 3rs rather than the 918 (which was done by a different driver) imo.

[Maldini35]

thegreenhell said:

Sport Auto Supertest lap - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un2RVNPPiFU

Somewhat slower than the official time...

Surprise surprise...

[sone]

And so the conspiracy thread starts again!🙄