RE: Next GT3 RS to be mid-engined?
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
monthefish said:
"Next GT3 RS to be mid-engined?"
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"not any time soon"
Classic clickbait.
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"not any time soon"
Classic clickbait.
The busiest week in the motoring journalist calendar & PH come up with this crap.
t over journalism strikes again, Evo don't do this so why are PH going down this route? On another note, with the whole debacle around trying to buy a new GT3 is the tide going to turn against Porsche's popularity with the larger enthusiast market as a whole? They do seem to be rather blatantly fixing the market...
DanielSan said:
On another note, with the whole debacle around trying to buy a new GT3 is the tide going to turn against Porsche's popularity with the larger enthusiast market as a whole? They do seem to be rather blatantly fixing the market...
Unfortunately, the reality is this is a UK thing. I live in the US, and only had bought a Cayman GTS (coming from a long history of Mazdas and Mitsubishis). I was able to score TWO Cayman GT4 allocations. On which I passed on both, because I really wanted a Boxster Spyder as my forever car (and I got my allocation and used it for my Spyder). It'd be harder, but if I wanted a 991.2 GT3, I could've put in some deposits about 12-18 months back and I'd likely have mine show up in mid-to-late 2018. There's no way I could get first in line, but with a few deposits across a few dealers, getting a GT3 wouldn't be hard for what is simply a normal bloke (dead serious!) who just patiently saved his money for a decade to buy his "dead man's car."
You guys need to bang some pots and pans outside your OPCs to have those guys fight for more production, and ergo, more UK allocations. Dealers would have more cars to sell, dealers make more money, customers get what they want. It seems goofy that the situation is as it is for you folks on the other side of the Atlantic, whereas here in the US you can get one just by savings your pennies and putting down a few refundable deposits about a year (ideally two) before announce.
I mean, how many GT4 allocations did you guys get? 150? We got 2200 or 2300 cars here in the US (and 720ish Spyders).
Edited by Goofnik on Thursday 9th March 06:39
Goofnik said:
I mean, how many GT4 allocations did you guys get? 150? We got 2200 or 2300 cars here in the US (and 720ish Spyders).
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Almost 600 gt4s here. Took a while but plenty of cars were delivered in the end with a bit of persistence. Time will tell if the same happens with the .2gt3.]
I sigh at all the endless chat about the Porsche GT cars & Specials (e.g. R, Sport Classic-type). This is exactly where Porsche wants the discussion to stay.
What about the standard 911 ? Less tempting than ever today with turbo Carreras. It's no wonder the old cars have shot up in value so much - it's because they're a hoot to drive, and the new ones are not.
What I want to see is a NA 3.0 engine in a new base model. Call it the "911", no need for Carrera name.
Give it 300-320 bhp & keep it light (not hard, make everything optional). I don't care that it'll be the slowest 911 - it'd still be plenty fast enough on the road, useable every day, and might be FUN to drive, unlike the turbo drivel.
What about the standard 911 ? Less tempting than ever today with turbo Carreras. It's no wonder the old cars have shot up in value so much - it's because they're a hoot to drive, and the new ones are not.
What I want to see is a NA 3.0 engine in a new base model. Call it the "911", no need for Carrera name.
Give it 300-320 bhp & keep it light (not hard, make everything optional). I don't care that it'll be the slowest 911 - it'd still be plenty fast enough on the road, useable every day, and might be FUN to drive, unlike the turbo drivel.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
monthefish said:
"Next GT3 RS to be mid-engined?"
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"not any time soon"
Classic clickbait.
This....
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"not any time soon"
Classic clickbait.
The busiest week in the motoring journalist calendar & PH come up with this crap.
Rubbish like this is (part of) the reason I practically never visit the PH front page/news etc and just go straight to the forums.
GravelBen said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
monthefish said:
"Next GT3 RS to be mid-engined?"
"not any time soon"
Classic clickbait.
This."not any time soon"
Classic clickbait.
The busiest week in the motoring journalist calendar & PH come up with this crap.
Rubbish like this is (part of) the reason I practically never visit the PH front page/news etc and just go straight to the forums.
t based on nothing more than a vague idea, topped off with a headline that had nothing to do with the actual content of the story and had 'fooled' you into reading something totally unrelated then fine. If it had been 'an anonymous spokesman could neither confirm nor deny speculation about future product' then ditto, I could understand why you might feel you'd been conned. But it wasn't. It came off the back of a direct conversation with the two blokes at Porsche who will, if it comes, make the decision and build the car. We were talking about the crossover of tech between the Motorsport cars like the Cup, GT3 R and mid-engined RSR and the road cars, the leap in performance for the new GT3 and where that leaves any future RS. Given these same guys have just built a mid-engined 911 for frontline racing, are in charge of marketing that through related road-going product and have the tools at their disposal it would have been stupid NOT to put the question to them, even if the response was "don't be stupid, we'd never do that."
They didn't say that. They said "not now but not never", Preuninger even saying "why shouldn't the RS have more 'sex' to it?" And if you didn't see other people reporting it that's because they weren't in the room at the time.
Please, explain the big deception?
Thanks,
Dan
Edited by Dan Trent on Saturday 11th March 08:30
It's the internet, Dan.
Even if you'd posted an article with the headline; "Great News! 2 + 2 = 4!", went on to cite 4 experts in mathematical modelling who created the formula, backed up with full referential documentation, you'd STILL get idiots who will come along and tell you you're full of crap.
Even if you'd posted an article with the headline; "Great News! 2 + 2 = 4!", went on to cite 4 experts in mathematical modelling who created the formula, backed up with full referential documentation, you'd STILL get idiots who will come along and tell you you're full of crap.
Yes it's all very academic to talk so much about cars that most of us (even with the cash) cannot buy new or without a stupid premium. In the end though the base Carrera is now an awesome car and we can buy that so I look upon all this as the inaccessible "Motorsport and OPC exclusive club" BUT, and its a bit but, it all feeds into the everyday 911 what we all can buy five years hence.
Here's the rub, we are realistically at the top of the plateau when it comes to mechanical grip. Road Cars can't really get any wider, tyres are already pretty much as wide as possible, CofG is a low as practicable, so if they want a higher performance, then it must come from aero assistance. And here, being rear engined really is a massive limitation, as you simply can make any meaningful underbody aero work, which means big wings stuck on top, which means lots of drag! (which is bad from an economy / top speed point of view as much as a stylistic one)
I have my name down for a 992 RS because I just like them. I doubt if it's mid engined as I have had a close look at the RSR and there's not a lot of space in there. Admittedly the 992 seems to be a bit wider even in the base car so maybe they will do some genius packaging. I fully expect it to be turbo so the GT2 might disappear.
Grantstown said:
A press boycott on reviews, tests, articles etc on Porsche cars that require an 'invitation' to buy would help sort the problem out.
By that logic should we also scrap Shed Of The Week on the basis someone who's spent their life dreaming of and saving for a slightly ropey sub-grand Saxo on aftermarket wheels might be denied the opportunity to buy one just because someone else got in there first? I stand little or no chance of troubling an OPC for a GT3 myself but I can still appreciate it as something interesting to read about. And for those in the market there's a lot to be said for the pragmatic approach. A mate of mine found himself being told exactly this when he went to his OPC for a Cayman GT4 - 'not a chance, all allocated to VIP customers, clear off' was the basic tone. So he took his £80K to an independent, spent it on a 997.2 GT3 and had a jolly nice time driving it. Some months later when the OPC called back and said "actually, now all the hysteria has died down we can give you a build slot' he said thank you very much, sold the GT3 back for what he paid for it and got his GT4. Obviously I hate him with a passion that burns me to the core. But it does go to show that at this stage in the process there's an awful lot of hot air and a lot to be said for taking the long view. And if you absolutely have to be the first in your gang to have one be prepared to play the game or pay the premium.
Dan
Tim bo said:
It's the internet, Dan.
Even if you'd posted an article with the headline; "Great News! 2 + 2 = 4!", went on to cite 4 experts in mathematical modelling who created the formula, backed up with full referential documentation, you'd STILL get idiots who will come along and tell you you're full of crap.
Any decent accountant can persuade the taxman that 2 + 2 does not equal 4Even if you'd posted an article with the headline; "Great News! 2 + 2 = 4!", went on to cite 4 experts in mathematical modelling who created the formula, backed up with full referential documentation, you'd STILL get idiots who will come along and tell you you're full of crap.
Dan Trent said:
By that logic should we also scrap Shed Of The Week on the basis someone who's spent their life dreaming of and saving for a slightly ropey sub-grand Saxo on aftermarket wheels might be denied the opportunity to buy one just because someone else got in there first? I stand little or no chance of troubling an OPC for a GT3 myself but I can still appreciate it as something interesting to read about.
And for those in the market there's a lot to be said for the pragmatic approach. A mate of mine found himself being told exactly this when he went to his OPC for a Cayman GT4 - 'not a chance, all allocated to VIP customers, clear off' was the basic tone. So he took his £80K to an independent, spent it on a 997.2 GT3 and had a jolly nice time driving it. Some months later when the OPC called back and said "actually, now all the hysteria has died down we can give you a build slot' he said thank you very much, sold the GT3 back for what he paid for it and got his GT4. Obviously I hate him with a passion that burns me to the core. But it does go to show that at this stage in the process there's an awful lot of hot air and a lot to be said for taking the long view. And if you absolutely have to be the first in your gang to have one be prepared to play the game or pay the premium.
Dan
I hear you, but it's the detailed articles that I think press shouldn't bother getting involved in. There as an article when the 911R was launched where the one of the designers was talking about what optional extras were important. I mean what And for those in the market there's a lot to be said for the pragmatic approach. A mate of mine found himself being told exactly this when he went to his OPC for a Cayman GT4 - 'not a chance, all allocated to VIP customers, clear off' was the basic tone. So he took his £80K to an independent, spent it on a 997.2 GT3 and had a jolly nice time driving it. Some months later when the OPC called back and said "actually, now all the hysteria has died down we can give you a build slot' he said thank you very much, sold the GT3 back for what he paid for it and got his GT4. Obviously I hate him with a passion that burns me to the core. But it does go to show that at this stage in the process there's an awful lot of hot air and a lot to be said for taking the long view. And if you absolutely have to be the first in your gang to have one be prepared to play the game or pay the premium.
Dan
possible use is that when you have to be a very serious customer/friend etc to be even considered for a purchase?
I think if the press considered availaibily when testing or group testing cars then manufacturers would have to take some notice. Be interesting if Porsche got knocked down a point or 2 on comparisons based on the fact that money can't seem to buy the car you're testing.
It's a real world issue when deciding what's worth buying.
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