RE: Next GT3 RS to be mid-engined?
Discussion
Dan Trent said:
By that logic should we also scrap Shed Of The Week on the basis someone who's spent their life dreaming of and saving for a slightly ropey sub-grand Saxo on aftermarket wheels might be denied the opportunity to buy one just because someone else got in there first? I stand little or no chance of troubling an OPC for a GT3 myself but I can still appreciate it as something interesting to read about.
And for those in the market there's a lot to be said for the pragmatic approach. A mate of mine found himself being told exactly this when he went to his OPC for a Cayman GT4 - 'not a chance, all allocated to VIP customers, clear off' was the basic tone. So he took his £80K to an independent, spent it on a 997.2 GT3 and had a jolly nice time driving it. Some months later when the OPC called back and said "actually, now all the hysteria has died down we can give you a build slot' he said thank you very much, sold the GT3 back for what he paid for it and got his GT4. Obviously I hate him with a passion that burns me to the core. But it does go to show that at this stage in the process there's an awful lot of hot air and a lot to be said for taking the long view. And if you absolutely have to be the first in your gang to have one be prepared to play the game or pay the premium.
Dan
1. I like shed of the week. And for those in the market there's a lot to be said for the pragmatic approach. A mate of mine found himself being told exactly this when he went to his OPC for a Cayman GT4 - 'not a chance, all allocated to VIP customers, clear off' was the basic tone. So he took his £80K to an independent, spent it on a 997.2 GT3 and had a jolly nice time driving it. Some months later when the OPC called back and said "actually, now all the hysteria has died down we can give you a build slot' he said thank you very much, sold the GT3 back for what he paid for it and got his GT4. Obviously I hate him with a passion that burns me to the core. But it does go to show that at this stage in the process there's an awful lot of hot air and a lot to be said for taking the long view. And if you absolutely have to be the first in your gang to have one be prepared to play the game or pay the premium.
Dan
2. Porsche get a hell of a lot more out of your journalism than you get back from them. You don't owe them any favours.
Dan Trent said:
GravelBen said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
monthefish said:
"Next GT3 RS to be mid-engined?"
"not any time soon"
Classic clickbait.
This."not any time soon"
Classic clickbait.
The busiest week in the motoring journalist calendar & PH come up with this crap.
Rubbish like this is (part of) the reason I practically never visit the PH front page/news etc and just go straight to the forums.
t based on nothing more than a vague idea, topped off with a headline that had nothing to do with the actual content of the story and had 'fooled' you into reading something totally unrelated then fine. If it had been 'an anonymous spokesman could neither confirm nor deny speculation about future product' then ditto, I could understand why you might feel you'd been conned. But it wasn't. It came off the back of a direct conversation with the two blokes at Porsche who will, if it comes, make the decision and build the car. We were talking about the crossover of tech between the Motorsport cars like the Cup, GT3 R and mid-engined RSR and the road cars, the leap in performance for the new GT3 and where that leaves any future RS. Given these same guys have just built a mid-engined 911 for frontline racing, are in charge of marketing that through related road-going product and have the tools at their disposal it would have been stupid NOT to put the question to them, even if the response was "don't be stupid, we'd never do that."
They didn't say that. They said "not now but not never", Preuninger even saying "why shouldn't the RS have more 'sex' to it?" And if you didn't see other people reporting it that's because they weren't in the room at the time.
Please, explain the big deception?
Thanks,
Dan
Its also a little disingenuous to use a question that was asked (possibly by yourself) in a press conference as a leading headline isn't it?
By the same reasoning you could have asked "will the next GT3 RS have a V8?", got a similar answer such as "no, but we can't speak for future models" and then run the headline "Next GT3 RS to have a V8?" (and shown it in the forum as "Next GT3 RS to have a V8").
It all gives an unfortunate tabloid attention-seeking flavour to the reporting, perhaps just take the reader feedback on board for future reference instead of trying so hard to justify it.
Tim bo said:
It's the internet, Dan.
Even if you'd posted an article with the headline; "Great News! 2 + 2 = 4!", went on to cite 4 experts in mathematical modelling who created the formula, backed up with full referential documentation, you'd STILL get idiots who will come along and tell you you're full of crap.
This particular example is more like asking a mathematical expert if 2 + 2 = 5, getting "no" for an answer and then running "2 + 2 = 5" as your headline because you asked the question.Even if you'd posted an article with the headline; "Great News! 2 + 2 = 4!", went on to cite 4 experts in mathematical modelling who created the formula, backed up with full referential documentation, you'd STILL get idiots who will come along and tell you you're full of crap.
GravelBen said:
Dan Trent said:
GravelBen said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
monthefish said:
"Next GT3 RS to be mid-engined?"
"not any time soon"
Classic clickbait.
This."not any time soon"
Classic clickbait.
The busiest week in the motoring journalist calendar & PH come up with this crap.
Rubbish like this is (part of) the reason I practically never visit the PH front page/news etc and just go straight to the forums.
t based on nothing more than a vague idea, topped off with a headline that had nothing to do with the actual content of the story and had 'fooled' you into reading something totally unrelated then fine. If it had been 'an anonymous spokesman could neither confirm nor deny speculation about future product' then ditto, I could understand why you might feel you'd been conned. But it wasn't. It came off the back of a direct conversation with the two blokes at Porsche who will, if it comes, make the decision and build the car. We were talking about the crossover of tech between the Motorsport cars like the Cup, GT3 R and mid-engined RSR and the road cars, the leap in performance for the new GT3 and where that leaves any future RS. Given these same guys have just built a mid-engined 911 for frontline racing, are in charge of marketing that through related road-going product and have the tools at their disposal it would have been stupid NOT to put the question to them, even if the response was "don't be stupid, we'd never do that."
They didn't say that. They said "not now but not never", Preuninger even saying "why shouldn't the RS have more 'sex' to it?" And if you didn't see other people reporting it that's because they weren't in the room at the time.
Please, explain the big deception?
Thanks,
Dan
Its also a little disingenuous to use a question that was asked (possibly by yourself) in a press conference as a leading headline isn't it?
By the same reasoning you could have asked "will the next GT3 RS have a V8?", got a similar answer such as "no, but we can't speak for future models" and then run the headline "Next GT3 RS to have a V8?" (and shown it in the forum as "Next GT3 RS to have a V8").
It all gives an unfortunate tabloid attention-seeking flavour to the reporting, perhaps just take the reader feedback on board for future reference instead of trying so hard to justify it.
toppstuff said:
No, I think it is a Porsche strategic decision to rip off the Uk enthusiast market for the simple reason that they can. There are enough moneyed property developer types who are best mates with the dealer principal, who can fill up the order book on cheap finance and then flip the car to the dealer to sell again for 50% more.
It is a deeply cynical exercise and, frankly, has practically put me off the brand for life.
Just snorted my cornflakes out my nose. What utter, self important paranoid sIt is a deeply cynical exercise and, frankly, has practically put me off the brand for life.
te. Seems unlikely that Porsche would finally admit that the 50 years of engineering fanaticism to overcome a fundamental engineering flaw, would have been better solved by just admitting the incompatability of using the people's car as the basis for a sports car.
Perhaps they will finally admit it.
Perhaps they will finally admit it.
I like writing about Porsche, it's the gift that keeps giving for getting people REALLY wound up. I'll admit I'm as guilty as anyone! 
So bad luck everyone, no boycott of GT3 coverage, no end to articles based on chats with Preuninger and co and no end in sight to Spotted stories discussing 911 values. I am, however, looking into this issue of the way they're sold as although much of the talk is tedious the topic itself is interesting. Whether an accurate picture or not, I'd say the brand is acquiring a problem of perception that OPCs could do with addressing by one means or another.
Anyway, there's *usually* a pretty obvious clue in the title or thumbnail accompanying Porsche-related articles (if, occasionally, a dropped question mark here or there) so they should be fairly easy to avoid if you can't take the stress of reading them. And, incredibly enough, we do on occasion write about other brands too.
Cheers,
Dan
So bad luck everyone, no boycott of GT3 coverage, no end to articles based on chats with Preuninger and co and no end in sight to Spotted stories discussing 911 values. I am, however, looking into this issue of the way they're sold as although much of the talk is tedious the topic itself is interesting. Whether an accurate picture or not, I'd say the brand is acquiring a problem of perception that OPCs could do with addressing by one means or another.
Anyway, there's *usually* a pretty obvious clue in the title or thumbnail accompanying Porsche-related articles (if, occasionally, a dropped question mark here or there) so they should be fairly easy to avoid if you can't take the stress of reading them. And, incredibly enough, we do on occasion write about other brands too.
Cheers,
Dan
lemmingjames said:
PunterCam said:
Just snorted my cornflakes out my nose. What utter, self important paranoid ste.
Its not - if you followed the GT4 thread in the Porsche section where there is several instances of in-house dealingste. There was a rumour about one dealer principle getting allocated a GT4 (hardly several), but like most things spouted about Porsche on the internet, just a rumour without any confirmation that sparks controversial conversations. I highly doubt any in house dealings are going on, Porsche UK would step straight in if this actually happened.
n17ves said:
I follow the Porsche threads, and this is rubbish.
There was a rumour about one dealer principle getting allocated a GT4 (hardly several), but like most things spouted about Porsche on the internet, just a rumour without any confirmation that sparks controversial conversations. I highly doubt any in house dealings are going on, Porsche UK would step straight in if this actually happened.
So what about the DP selling one to his 'wife' that then got flipped on immediately for the profit, or in several instances (i cant remember their names) but people speccing up cars to be made and then flipped on before they reached UK shores (i purchased a cage from one such fellow and cant remember his screen name). As you follow that thread, youll be well aware that at the time Porsche didnt do anything about it, im not sure if it being commented on in Evo and possibly other mags the allocation issue forced Porsche to look into this or if it was already on their radar as such.There was a rumour about one dealer principle getting allocated a GT4 (hardly several), but like most things spouted about Porsche on the internet, just a rumour without any confirmation that sparks controversial conversations. I highly doubt any in house dealings are going on, Porsche UK would step straight in if this actually happened.
lemmingjames said:
n17ves said:
I follow the Porsche threads, and this is rubbish.
There was a rumour about one dealer principle getting allocated a GT4 (hardly several), but like most things spouted about Porsche on the internet, just a rumour without any confirmation that sparks controversial conversations. I highly doubt any in house dealings are going on, Porsche UK would step straight in if this actually happened.
So what about the DP selling one to his 'wife' that then got flipped on immediately for the profit, or in several instances (i cant remember their names) but people speccing up cars to be made and then flipped on before they reached UK shores (i purchased a cage from one such fellow and cant remember his screen name). As you follow that thread, youll be well aware that at the time Porsche didnt do anything about it, im not sure if it being commented on in Evo and possibly other mags the allocation issue forced Porsche to look into this or if it was already on their radar as such.There was a rumour about one dealer principle getting allocated a GT4 (hardly several), but like most things spouted about Porsche on the internet, just a rumour without any confirmation that sparks controversial conversations. I highly doubt any in house dealings are going on, Porsche UK would step straight in if this actually happened.
The GF works for Porsche. She would tell you that lot of the stuff spouted in those threads are rubbish, nothing more that escalated rumours.
But it does make for good reading on an evening
n17ves said:
lemmingjames said:
n17ves said:
I follow the Porsche threads, and this is rubbish.
There was a rumour about one dealer principle getting allocated a GT4 (hardly several), but like most things spouted about Porsche on the internet, just a rumour without any confirmation that sparks controversial conversations. I highly doubt any in house dealings are going on, Porsche UK would step straight in if this actually happened.
So what about the DP selling one to his 'wife' that then got flipped on immediately for the profit, or in several instances (i cant remember their names) but people speccing up cars to be made and then flipped on before they reached UK shores (i purchased a cage from one such fellow and cant remember his screen name). As you follow that thread, youll be well aware that at the time Porsche didnt do anything about it, im not sure if it being commented on in Evo and possibly other mags the allocation issue forced Porsche to look into this or if it was already on their radar as such.There was a rumour about one dealer principle getting allocated a GT4 (hardly several), but like most things spouted about Porsche on the internet, just a rumour without any confirmation that sparks controversial conversations. I highly doubt any in house dealings are going on, Porsche UK would step straight in if this actually happened.
The GF works for Porsche. She would tell you that lot of the stuff spouted in those threads are rubbish, nothing more that escalated rumours.
But it does make for good reading on an evening
Ed. said:
n17ves said:
lemmingjames said:
n17ves said:
I follow the Porsche threads, and this is rubbish.
There was a rumour about one dealer principle getting allocated a GT4 (hardly several), but like most things spouted about Porsche on the internet, just a rumour without any confirmation that sparks controversial conversations. I highly doubt any in house dealings are going on, Porsche UK would step straight in if this actually happened.
So what about the DP selling one to his 'wife' that then got flipped on immediately for the profit, or in several instances (i cant remember their names) but people speccing up cars to be made and then flipped on before they reached UK shores (i purchased a cage from one such fellow and cant remember his screen name). As you follow that thread, youll be well aware that at the time Porsche didnt do anything about it, im not sure if it being commented on in Evo and possibly other mags the allocation issue forced Porsche to look into this or if it was already on their radar as such.There was a rumour about one dealer principle getting allocated a GT4 (hardly several), but like most things spouted about Porsche on the internet, just a rumour without any confirmation that sparks controversial conversations. I highly doubt any in house dealings are going on, Porsche UK would step straight in if this actually happened.
The GF works for Porsche. She would tell you that lot of the stuff spouted in those threads are rubbish, nothing more that escalated rumours.
But it does make for good reading on an evening
So you are saying there is some massive conspiracy theory
Best leave that tin foil hat on.
n17ves said:
Ed. said:
n17ves said:
lemmingjames said:
n17ves said:
I follow the Porsche threads, and this is rubbish.
There was a rumour about one dealer principle getting allocated a GT4 (hardly several), but like most things spouted about Porsche on the internet, just a rumour without any confirmation that sparks controversial conversations. I highly doubt any in house dealings are going on, Porsche UK would step straight in if this actually happened.
So what about the DP selling one to his 'wife' that then got flipped on immediately for the profit, or in several instances (i cant remember their names) but people speccing up cars to be made and then flipped on before they reached UK shores (i purchased a cage from one such fellow and cant remember his screen name). As you follow that thread, youll be well aware that at the time Porsche didnt do anything about it, im not sure if it being commented on in Evo and possibly other mags the allocation issue forced Porsche to look into this or if it was already on their radar as such.There was a rumour about one dealer principle getting allocated a GT4 (hardly several), but like most things spouted about Porsche on the internet, just a rumour without any confirmation that sparks controversial conversations. I highly doubt any in house dealings are going on, Porsche UK would step straight in if this actually happened.
The GF works for Porsche. She would tell you that lot of the stuff spouted in those threads are rubbish, nothing more that escalated rumours.
But it does make for good reading on an evening
So you are saying there is some massive conspiracy theory
Best leave that tin foil hat on.
n17ves said:
Brilliant.
So you are saying there is some massive conspiracy theory
Best leave that tin foil hat on.
Yep all a massive conspiracy theory, im guessing the owners (when they first got released) who commented about OPC's trying to buy the cars off of them the instant they received them are fibbers as wellSo you are saying there is some massive conspiracy theory
Best leave that tin foil hat on.
lemmingjames said:
Yep all a massive conspiracy theory, im guessing the owners (when they first got released) who commented about OPC's trying to buy the cars off of them the instant they received them are fibbers as well
Clearly, you are basing all your theories on 3rd hand information from the net.An OPC cannot sell a 2nd hand car for greater than list price while its is still in production. If you follow the Porsche threads and approved car locator, you will notice the GT4 and GT3 RS only appeared AFTER production had ended.
All this talk about DP selling cars to their family friends is ridiculous. Im sure there would be legal implications if they did so, furthermore anyone associated with this would lose their job and possibly even the franchise (if a franchised dealer).
Edited by n17ves on Monday 13th March 13:49
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