RE: Alpina B5 Bi-Turbo - Geneva 2017
Discussion
Dr_Rick said:
Or, something from the used category if £100k is to much for the wallet....
http://www.bespokesportscars.co.uk/alpina-b5s.html
Advertising an Alpina is much like making love to a beautiful woman...http://www.bespokesportscars.co.uk/alpina-b5s.html
Matt UK said:
A lively price of kit, but the pricing just makes me feel old.
£100k? I know times move on, and being a non-buyer of new cars in this segment I'm not particularly up to date, but in my befuddled mind it's a £50k car before options.
I know, I know... Get with the times granddad etc
That hasn't be a £50k car for twenty plus years! E60 M5 IIRC correctly was initially launched as a £60k car before they reduced it to closer to £50k because of all the personal imports from Europe. £100k? I know times move on, and being a non-buyer of new cars in this segment I'm not particularly up to date, but in my befuddled mind it's a £50k car before options.
I know, I know... Get with the times granddad etc
I agree it's not a £100k car especially with the way BMW has agressively discounted the last M5, M6 and M3/4 through finance/deposit contributions which I assume Alpina won't be doing.
you can have it mid-week, i'll have it at weekends.2 GKC said:
Shoot me at dawn fellow pistonheads but I don't like it. An alpina should be the epitome of understated class. The front end looks like it crashed into Halfords. When will this 4 pipe nonsense end too; a pair of exhausts together E46 style or either side E90 style is just so much more appealing.
E46 M3 (and E9X M3, and E39/E60/F10 M5's ALL have 4 pipes)1 pipe on one side is a 4 pot
2 pipes on one side is a sign it's a normally aspirated 6 pot (or TD)
1 pipe on either side is a turbo 6 pot or TT diesel
4 pipes in an M car.
I think V8 non M's use a pair on each side (wider apart than M's)
numtumfutunch said:
VerySideways said:
Welshbeef said:
No one pays RRP.
On a BMW? No.On an Alpina? What percentage have you got off RRP on a brand new Alpina?
25% is easy on a bmw but I haven't heard of Alpinas being discounted
I got 18% of my old F10 M5 and about 12% off my M3 which Broadspeed are currently offering.
Out of interest how many BMWs have you bought with 25% discount on an unregistered car? Deals can be done but 25% is quite a discount to be obtained routinely across the range as you suggest.
The 6er is heavily discounted to those levels but even the 3er stops at about 18-20%.
Edited by Wills2 on Friday 10th March 21:08
PHMatt said:
2 GKC said:
Shoot me at dawn fellow pistonheads but I don't like it. An alpina should be the epitome of understated class. The front end looks like it crashed into Halfords. When will this 4 pipe nonsense end too; a pair of exhausts together E46 style or either side E90 style is just so much more appealing.
E46 M3 (and E9X M3, and E39/E60/F10 M5's ALL have 4 pipes)1 pipe on one side is a 4 pot
2 pipes on one side is a sign it's a normally aspirated 6 pot (or TD)
1 pipe on either side is a turbo 6 pot or TT diesel
4 pipes in an M car.
I think V8 non M's use a pair on each side (wider apart than M's)
Welshbeef said:
Burnham said:
I doubt BMW will make an M5 Touring so this could be the answer for a lot of people. Id also wait for the D5 though! A 2nd hand D5 Touring in a fews years could be a nice replacement for the D3.
If £ for £ then the B5 beats he D5 every day of the week. 
I like the feeling of going more quickly, earlier down the rev range....I just find it more practical more often, and with less fanfare (I also like going further between fill ups). Thats why I like the D3. With that in mind I'd be happy to pay the premium for the D5 (although it may even be cheaper than the petrol version, which would be nice).
As someone mentioned earlier, Alpina do tend to get their performance models out before '///M' and that has been a USP since the company was granted production status back in the early eighties, but as another poster mentioned the performance margins to '///M' are so small now as to be insignificant in real life so an Alpina customer really has to 'get' Alpina in order to be able to appreciate the differences between the cars.
Having owned two Motorsport cars and three Alpina's the differences are evident but there is a subtlety that you'll either like and love, or dismiss as insignificant and trivial. My decider for people to answer is how hard you like to drive your car on the whole; if it is 10/10ths and nothing less then get the '///M' with no hesitation, but if the answer is 9/10ths but with the same power available and a more comfortable ride then consider the Alpina.
Alpina 5 Series Tourings really came to fore with the E39 V8 and V8S cars that filled the gap left by no E39 M5 Touring with 16 cars made in rhd, but when the E61 M5 Touring was given the green light just 5 B5 or B5S Tourings were delivered to the UK. It really does seem that there is a (relatively) small market for a high performance BMW 5 series Touring but the discounts offered by BMW on the '///M' cars does seemingly steal the argument from the hardly ever discounted Alpina models.
Thank goodness then that there are still some brave and affluent people who write off a cheque to Buchloe and sit out the sometimes lengthy wait to receive their chariot, as a 5 Series Alpina is still quite the complete car, perhaps even more so as a Touring.
Having owned two Motorsport cars and three Alpina's the differences are evident but there is a subtlety that you'll either like and love, or dismiss as insignificant and trivial. My decider for people to answer is how hard you like to drive your car on the whole; if it is 10/10ths and nothing less then get the '///M' with no hesitation, but if the answer is 9/10ths but with the same power available and a more comfortable ride then consider the Alpina.
Alpina 5 Series Tourings really came to fore with the E39 V8 and V8S cars that filled the gap left by no E39 M5 Touring with 16 cars made in rhd, but when the E61 M5 Touring was given the green light just 5 B5 or B5S Tourings were delivered to the UK. It really does seem that there is a (relatively) small market for a high performance BMW 5 series Touring but the discounts offered by BMW on the '///M' cars does seemingly steal the argument from the hardly ever discounted Alpina models.
Thank goodness then that there are still some brave and affluent people who write off a cheque to Buchloe and sit out the sometimes lengthy wait to receive their chariot, as a 5 Series Alpina is still quite the complete car, perhaps even more so as a Touring.
Cheib said:
I agree it's not a £100k car especially with the way BMW has agressively discounted the last M5, M6 and M3/4 through finance/deposit contributions which I assume Alpina won't be doing.
Alpina don't need to discount and have finance contributions. And, don't forget Alpina and BMW are two different manufacturers.Olf said:
As we've said on here before - it's not like these high end motors have ever been cheap...
1986...
Which according to the 'This is money' value calculator - is about £114,000 in today's money...
By the way - with hindsight - buying the car would have been a dreadful choice compared to the shares 1986...
Which according to the 'This is money' value calculator - is about £114,000 in today's money...
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