VAGs Latest cover up!
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berlintaxi said:
Nobody will listen, the OP is acting like a petulant child.
indeed, its a quite pathetic attempt at naming and shaming for something that is the OPs fault not Audi's its handy that the facts are missing from the information, i woundlt be surpised if that was not libelous
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Thursday 16th March 06:47
CraigT007 said:
For reasons mapped out (sorry, pun intended) on another thread, this windscreen sized poster found its way into the dealer forecourt earlier today, on what looks like a well kept, reasonably new average mileage Audi.
Car looked like this today:
Then earlier tonight, we see exclusive evidence of VAGs latest attempt at yet another cover up!
Thankfully there's the local wikileaks slueth on hand to re-expose!
Another VAG cover up exposed! :-) (see £10k gearbox thread)
(LoL, i'm so full of s
t) :-)
Incase of deletion Car looked like this today:
Then earlier tonight, we see exclusive evidence of VAGs latest attempt at yet another cover up!
Thankfully there's the local wikileaks slueth on hand to re-expose!
Another VAG cover up exposed! :-) (see £10k gearbox thread)
(LoL, i'm so full of s
t) :-) 
slipstream 1985 said:
What is the issue here? If it is a massively underpriced car then sales of goods act is also there to protect the seller. eg aston martin missing a zero from an advertised price does not have to sell you a brand new car for £10,000
The SoGA no longer exists, and in any event it's common law that considers invitations to treat, not the Consumer Rights Act that replaced it.Not that any of this is relevant to the thread, I suppose.
MrBarry123 said:
Yes, I know this is your opinion as I saw it posted multiple times on the main thread.
As you know, the mechatronic unit controls the function of the gearbox i.e. it's just a gearbox control unit. However, it is programmed to control the gearbox whilst the car is in the state of tune that it leaves the factory with. If you alter this state, you are asking the mech unit to perform its task within an environment that has unknown parameters (from its perspective). Therefore, to dismiss the suggestion that a change which quite drastically alters the operating environment of the failed component/system could have contributed to the failure of said system is something I struggle with.
Regardless, neither you nor I know for definite why this gearbox has failed however for the OP to expect support from Audi when he has altered the car far beyond the manufacturer specification is unfair on his part.
Anyway, this has been done to death on the other thread.
You appear to be reading things that aren't there as I mentioned it once on page 6! As you know, the mechatronic unit controls the function of the gearbox i.e. it's just a gearbox control unit. However, it is programmed to control the gearbox whilst the car is in the state of tune that it leaves the factory with. If you alter this state, you are asking the mech unit to perform its task within an environment that has unknown parameters (from its perspective). Therefore, to dismiss the suggestion that a change which quite drastically alters the operating environment of the failed component/system could have contributed to the failure of said system is something I struggle with.
Regardless, neither you nor I know for definite why this gearbox has failed however for the OP to expect support from Audi when he has altered the car far beyond the manufacturer specification is unfair on his part.
Anyway, this has been done to death on the other thread.
Anyway, gearbox control is just that, it doesn't know if there's 1bhp or 1000bhp going through the gear it's shifting just as your hand doesn't need to be any stronger to shift gear in a remapped manual gearbox'd car compared to the same car in standard tune. I guess with more power and faster acceleration in each gear the timing of how it disengages and shifts etc might be wrong but if that was the case it would break mechanical parts, not electronics on the controller. More power/torque could theoretically generate more heat in the gearbox and cause premature failure of parts held within it but the same mechatronics units are used in some of the more powerful RS cars that use the same box which suggests that's a red herring too.
LocoBlade said:
You appear to be reading things that aren't there as I mentioned it once on page 6!
Anyway, gearbox control is just that, it doesn't know if there's 1bhp or 1000bhp going through the gear it's shifting just as your hand doesn't need to be any stronger to shift gear in a remapped manual gearbox'd car compared to the same car in standard tune. I guess with more power and faster acceleration in each gear the timing of how it disengages and shifts etc might be wrong but if that was the case it would break mechanical parts, not electronics on the controller. More power/torque could theoretically generate more heat in the gearbox and cause premature failure of parts held within it but the same mechatronics units are used in some of the more powerful RS cars that use the same box which suggests that's a red herring too.
Shift strategies and line pressures will all change depending on timings, which are going to be different for different power levels.Anyway, gearbox control is just that, it doesn't know if there's 1bhp or 1000bhp going through the gear it's shifting just as your hand doesn't need to be any stronger to shift gear in a remapped manual gearbox'd car compared to the same car in standard tune. I guess with more power and faster acceleration in each gear the timing of how it disengages and shifts etc might be wrong but if that was the case it would break mechanical parts, not electronics on the controller. More power/torque could theoretically generate more heat in the gearbox and cause premature failure of parts held within it but the same mechatronics units are used in some of the more powerful RS cars that use the same box which suggests that's a red herring too.
RS models will no doubt have a gearbox cooler to keep things under control, if this one is pushing that level of torque without extra cooling that's an avenue of failure straight away.
To be honest you couldn't definitively say whether or not the remap killed it off without the exact failure mode, so arguing it is pointless.
In this case the OP is getting his knickers twisted because the manufacturer doesn't honour warranty on modified cars.
LocoBlade said:
Might be worth doing a bit of research yourself on what fails and why If it was gears, shafts, clutch packs or bearings failing then yes completely agree, but the failures are due to duff circuit boards on the mechatronics (gearbox control) units inside the box which no amount of engine remapping or additional torque should cause to fail. It's a design fault/weakness which Audi know about and have largely rectified in the later edition of the same box, obviously remapping gives them an excuse to decline goodwill but an excuse is all it is, its not the reason they fail.
Assuming that a mechanical change only causes a mechanical failure is quite hilarious. If it was gears, shafts, clutch packs or bearings failing then yes completely agree, but the failures are due to duff circuit boards on the mechatronics (gearbox control) units inside the box which no amount of engine remapping or additional torque should cause to fail. It's a design fault/weakness which Audi know about and have largely rectified in the later edition of the same box, obviously remapping gives them an excuse to decline goodwill but an excuse is all it is, its not the reason they fail.Additional heat, vibration, power demands. The very fact it's the mechatronics should make it quite obvious how tightly coupled the mechanical and electrical design is.
To bring some balance to this, I also had the exact same issue on my car, low mileage Audi with DSG always serviced on the button at an Audi main dealer and the mechatronic circuit board failed. It was under full Audi extended warranty and even then they tried to wriggle out of it and deny it was there problem because the car had apparently missed a scheduled gearbox oil change by a few thousand miles which they were responsible for doing seeing as it was always serviced with them.
After many weeks of too-ing and throwing and eventually shouting at service managers and Audi UK, it got fixed under "goodwill" with me contributing some money and they still never admitted it was a known fault despite me showing them pages of info to the contrary. They also couldn't explain why a missed gearbox oil change could cause a circuit board to blow.
So while I was pretty pleased with the car overall, with customer service like that, I'll never buy another Audi.
After many weeks of too-ing and throwing and eventually shouting at service managers and Audi UK, it got fixed under "goodwill" with me contributing some money and they still never admitted it was a known fault despite me showing them pages of info to the contrary. They also couldn't explain why a missed gearbox oil change could cause a circuit board to blow.
So while I was pretty pleased with the car overall, with customer service like that, I'll never buy another Audi.
Regardless of whether the guy remapped it, 2 things stand out.
1) £9700 to fix a gear box? Really?
2) Unless the remap is savage, and the driver abuses it .... these boxes must be right on the limit as standard. If they break that easily, I'd be pretty nervous about owning medium/high mileage one.
1) £9700 to fix a gear box? Really?
2) Unless the remap is savage, and the driver abuses it .... these boxes must be right on the limit as standard. If they break that easily, I'd be pretty nervous about owning medium/high mileage one.
Dave Hedgehog said:
indeed, its a quite pathetic attempt at naming and shaming for something that is the OPs fault not Audi's
its handy that the facts are missing from the information, i woundlt be surpised if that was not libelous
It might legally be the OP's fault, but VAG don't exactly make the most robust gearboxes. Or coil packs. Or suspension. Or pedal boxes. Or dash pods.its handy that the facts are missing from the information, i woundlt be surpised if that was not libelous
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 16th March 06:47
Consumer grade garbage to be honest.
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