VAGs Latest cover up!
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WestyCarl said:
thebraketester said:
Correct. Mine has been running over 300lbfts for the last 3 years and plenty of people are making nearer 400lbfts and they dont just blow up.....
A lot of people (including myself) bought the DSG versions over manual because you dont need to spend 1000quid on a clutch if you want to remap the engine.
Love this logic, doesn't want to damage a clutch with extra torque from a re-map so buys a a DSG.A lot of people (including myself) bought the DSG versions over manual because you dont need to spend 1000quid on a clutch if you want to remap the engine.
A quick question, what do you think the DSG has 2 of?
Just for a thought or two. I had an Audi A1 TFSI (140bhp) with the DSG box. Luckily it was a company car so I could hand it back. Within 1,000 miles from new it had to go back to Audi under warranty because the clutch pack on the odd gears was slipping, despite being adjusted twice prior to that. It would also stink of clutch when going up or down steep hills. The other clutch pack was on the way out when I handed it back at just over 7,500 miles.
DSG? not worth having, I only had it because of the BIK value.
DSG? not worth having, I only had it because of the BIK value.
thebraketester said:
neil1jnr said:
If you bought the DSG box instead of the manual because you wanted to modify it without spending money on an uprated clutch then you really are a wee bit thick. Why do you need an uprated clutch with the manual box? Because with the increase in torque the clutch will likely fail as it was designed for those outputs, the same reason there is a higher chance that the DSG box will fail (faster than it would have even if prone to failure) due to an increase in torque.
Because the manual clutch on the car I bought will slip once remapped. New clutch costs 1000quid.The DSG will hold up to a stage 2+ (350bhp+) remap.... no problem. Try doing that with an OEM clutch.
neil1jnr said:
With your logic, if you had a manual car and re-mapped it and the clutch shat itself then you would be expecting Audi to foot the bill or pay part in goodwill because it isn't living up to your expectations, such as your expectations that the DSG box should handle 3-400lbs ft of torque even it wasn't designed to do so. Seriously, the OP is sour with Audi because he is acting like a child and won't accept that the responsibility with the failure likely lies with himself, he should act like a man and just deal with it.
Where did i say that I would expect anyone to foot the bill?? Yet again, another clown on PH putting words in someone elses mouth. Seriously, the OP is sour with Audi because he is acting like a child and won't accept that the responsibility with the failure likely lies with himself, he should act like a man and just deal with it.DSG box will hold up to 400lbfts. Do your homework
So you are telling me EVERY manual variant of the car you bought will have a slipping clutch if you remap it? Yet you are also telling me the DSG box WILL hold up to 400lbs ft
You didn't get any of the points I was trying to make did you? Any mechanical part is engineered to a certain spec. If you increase load/heat/speed, or any other parameter above it's designed specification then it WILL be more prone to failure and is LIKELY a contributing factor, in this example, as to why the gearbox failed.
In this occasion the DSG box could not hold a
thebraketester said:
Stage 2+ remap (350bhp+)
(sorry this should read mild remap if I remember what the OP stated??) could it? So why spout rubbish like that. The OP didn't even have that much power and the box still failed. Are you stating that a factory DSG box, for this particular Audi, can and is designed to cope with 400lbs ft of torque? If so, please do my homework for me and prove it, I don't have to prove anything, it's you that is making the bold claims.You didn't say anywhere that you would expect anyone should foot the bill and I didn't say you did. I mentioned it in my previous comment as 'in general' people shouldn't expect it, and I mentioned it in regard to the OP. So why call me a clown about something that I never actually said you said.
Do you see how hard it is explaining simple things to the likes of you who won't accept facts; such as wear and tear increases on mechanical parts when operated above manufacturers spec, yet you are telling me that it is a FACT that:
thebraketester said:
DSG box will hold up to 400lbfts. Do your homework
Jesus fking Christ!
Edited by neil1jnr on Friday 17th March 17:15
ETA
Unnecessary.
Edited by Big Al. on Saturday 18th March 08:42
thebraketester said:
FFS.... I am talking the difference between manual and DSG... not the absence of clutch/clutches. I am well aware of what a DSG is and how it works, thank you. If you don't understand the workable rating of an VAG OEM manual clutch and DSG then I suggest you do some homework.
Like my last post, do us all a favour and show us the sources rather than make claims and tell everyone to do their homework.knobhead said:
So you are telling me EVERY manual variant of the car you bought will have a slipping clutch if you remap it? Yet you are also telling me the DSG box WILL hold up to 400lbs ft laugh
Correct...Again... do your homework. I presume you are still at school, so I hope you have time to fit it in around your GCSE work.
scherzkeks said:
Killed mine. I expected it to as well.
Mine too, but instead of greeting about it and making myself look like a special needs bawbag with homemade with homemade banners in public dummy spitting excercises at a seat dealer i popped a good used box in there and got back about enjoying the extra power. Its par for the coursewhen tuning, sometimes you are nursing a big grin from being pinned back in the seat sometimes you are looking down a scored cylinder at a melted piston thinking oops.CraigT007 said:
For reasons mapped out (sorry, pun intended) on another thread, this windscreen sized poster found its way into the dealer forecourt earlier today, on what looks like a well kept, reasonably new average mileage Audi.
Car looked like this today:
Then earlier tonight, we see exclusive evidence of VAGs latest attempt at yet another cover up!
Thankfully there's the local wikileaks slueth on hand to re-expose!
Another VAG cover up exposed! :-) (see £10k gearbox thread)
(LoL, i'm so full of st) :-)
Without getting into the ins and outs of this remapped gearbox thread, I'd argue that if Hamilton Audi covered up your dirty protest it's only fair play that you should be at liberty to cover up every priced Audi on their site?Car looked like this today:
Then earlier tonight, we see exclusive evidence of VAGs latest attempt at yet another cover up!
Thankfully there's the local wikileaks slueth on hand to re-expose!
Another VAG cover up exposed! :-) (see £10k gearbox thread)
(LoL, i'm so full of s
t) :-) thebraketester said:
I suggest you do some homework.
OK, I'm not participating anymore because it's pointless......FYI, I've spent the last 20 odd yrs at a bearing manufacturer (7 of those as Engineering Manager), probably at least 25% of my time was speccing brgs for all sports of t/m's. However you've got 3 mates who have DGS thatt haven't yet gone pop despite a remap so I guess you're right. Remap's don't kill t/m's...........
Why was my last post edited and the last piece removed?
To the breaktester I won't waste my time with you any more, you are clearly mentally handicapped because any person with a normal functioning brain can understand my point, you don't get what I was trying to explain. I hope you things improve for you when you grow up.
To the breaktester I won't waste my time with you any more, you are clearly mentally handicapped because any person with a normal functioning brain can understand my point, you don't get what I was trying to explain. I hope you things improve for you when you grow up.
MDMA . said:
there was a recall on the DQ200 7 speed units across China. more than 400,000 cars affected. wrong oil was specced in them from the factory. warranty extended to 10 years for China due to the problems.
just saying
It's not a DQ200 in the A6 - it's a DL501, which is pretty much completely unrelated. It's a longitudinal installation for a start, as opposed to the transverse-mounted DQxxx range. just saying
OP I understand your frustration. If you blew the drive shafts, gearbox gears, etc - then I would fully expect them to avoid paying, but to use this as an excuse not to fix a known fault is very bad form. My previous BMW was mapped and they changed the cam chain tensioner as part of a recall - they even saw the map when they plugged in. I left it on, nothing to hide. Response from BMW: the tensioner won't be affected by a remap. If the chain was stretched then they would have replaced that for free too. Cost to me : £0
It then went in for a recall on the turbo actuator and also the DSC unit. Same story, the remap won't affect these parts - replaced. Cost to me : £0
They are fixing the mechatronics units over the in the States for $650. There is probably nothing wrong with the gearbox at all - other than the ECU. However, 99% of VAG "technicians" are, IMHO, spanner monkeys, with only the ability to remove and replace entire units. There's no engineering on the ground at VAG whatsoever. The master-tech at BMW replaced my actuator without replacing the turbo - it was a £12 part. The official recommendation in the BMW book says to replace the turbo - but there was no need.
When you put too much power through the drivechain the weakest link is always the clutch - it's designed that way. You shag the clutch and replace. You may pop a drive shaft if you're not careful and after a while, wear the bearings in the box - but it's generally not an "instant fail" on stock components - the remap can only do so much with standard turbos.
It then went in for a recall on the turbo actuator and also the DSC unit. Same story, the remap won't affect these parts - replaced. Cost to me : £0
They are fixing the mechatronics units over the in the States for $650. There is probably nothing wrong with the gearbox at all - other than the ECU. However, 99% of VAG "technicians" are, IMHO, spanner monkeys, with only the ability to remove and replace entire units. There's no engineering on the ground at VAG whatsoever. The master-tech at BMW replaced my actuator without replacing the turbo - it was a £12 part. The official recommendation in the BMW book says to replace the turbo - but there was no need.
When you put too much power through the drivechain the weakest link is always the clutch - it's designed that way. You shag the clutch and replace. You may pop a drive shaft if you're not careful and after a while, wear the bearings in the box - but it's generally not an "instant fail" on stock components - the remap can only do so much with standard turbos.
Shore said:
Take your private number plate off and trade it in to a wee independent trader. Don't mention any of the issues. I've punted quite a few lemons into the trade works everytime. Only once did I get a phone call back.
Nice. I hope someone also sells you a pup soon enough and then quietly liquidates the business after they've got your money.Edited by Shore on Saturday 18th March 17:05
Incidentally: I know a few "wee small traders" around here who would indeed not phone you back. However, as they have your address, they'll just set fire to your house instead so choose carefully!
confused_buyer said:
Nice. I hope someone also sells you a pup soon enough and then quietly liquidates the business after they've got your money.
Incidentally: I know a few "wee small traders" around here who would indeed not phone you back. However, as they have your address, they'll just set fire to your house instead so choose carefully!
The way I see it is I am just moving my problem onto someone else and getting as much money as possible back. Telling the truth does you no favours. In the trade morals cost money.Incidentally: I know a few "wee small traders" around here who would indeed not phone you back. However, as they have your address, they'll just set fire to your house instead so choose carefully!
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