200mph+ for less?

[popeyewhite]

ikarl said:

popeyewhite said:

ikarl said:

E60 M5

OP states 200 mph!

Yes, I noticed. Hence why I posted the E60 M5

Proven to do 200mph with the limiter removed.

Yes, you omitted to mention limiter removal in your OP.

[M-SportMatt]

lucido grigio said:

Dave Moss got to about 194 iirc.

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As the angry midget will tell you, there's a lot of difference to get that last 6mph

[CraigyMc]

popeyewhite said:

Yes, you omitted to mention limiter removal in your OP.

FFS.

Are you the only person on the thread who saw that and didn't think "yeah, with the limiter removed"?

Even the original post of the thread says it.

[Tuvra]

Alex_225 said:

That goes for a fair few AMGs with either the 5.5 super charged engine (SL/CLS/E55) or the 6.2 V8 in the 63 models.

Extracting 200mph out of the 6.2 won't be easy without throwing big money at it. It will be lucky to achieve 540bhp with a remap. The 5.5 would probably be the better bet as there's far more modification options.

Personally, I'd go with Mercedes but it wouldn't be the AMG's, I'd go for the bi-turbo 600's. They can be had for peanuts and remapped they are 580bhp.

So that would be my wager, a W215 CL600 Bi-Turbo with DMS Remap. I'd be confident it would out run any E55 on a similar budget (roughly £10,500)

[J4CKO]

55 engined Merces in good order with a pulley, map and a few other bits will do it.

Jag XFR's are getting cheaper (15k and up) and with some fettling, 200 mph should be do-able, ditto XKR's

http://www.evo.co.uk/jaguar/9740/jaguar-xfr-225mph


But big power boosted Mercs would be the main way to do it relatively cheaply.

[ZX10R NIN]

200mph is hard to reach speaking as someone who owned a 697bhp SL55 that only hit 196mph I'd say you'll be spending a fair lick to get the magic 200mph.

I agree with an earlier post & I'd buy a 600 the twin turbo engine will be cheaper to extract big power from, the cheapest way to hit 200mph is to buy an early Suzuki Hayabusa put an exhaust & power commander on it then 200mph is yours.

[markcoznottz]

popeyewhite said:

ikarl said:

popeyewhite said:

ikarl said:

E60 M5

OP states 200 mph!

Yes, I noticed. Hence why I posted the E60 M5

Proven to do 200mph with the limiter removed.

Yes, you omitted to mention limiter removal in your OP.

E60 m5 one of the few cars that really will pull a double ton, don't know about the speed rating on the tyres thiugh...

[J4CKO]

ZX10R NIN said:

200mph is hard to reach speaking as someone who owned a 697bhp SL55 that only hit 196mph I'd say you'll be spending a fair lick to get the magic 200mph.

I agree with an earlier post & I'd buy a 600 the twin turbo engine will be cheaper to extract big power from, the cheapest way to hit 200mph is to buy an early Suzuki Hayabusa put an exhaust & power commander on it then 200mph is yours.

Surely it should have gone over 200 based on the car and the output ?

If an E60 M5 can manage 205 with 500 bhp, I know aerodynamics come into it but almost an extra 200 bhp should have cracked it ?

What is a Power Commander ?

[Cold]

CraigyMc said:

RobM77 said:

Fifth Gear did a feature on this a while ago, you may be able to find it online somewhere. The budget was £20k and they ended up buying a Lotus Esprit V8, which promptly had its gearbox fall apart 20 minutes after they bought it! I can't remember if they achieved 200mph or not. I should imagine it'd be a horrendously expensive thing to do though, and one of the worst enjoyment to cost ratios possible in motoring!

They broke a gearbox, then an engine, then fitted nitrous. I think they did about 175mph.

They tried at Bruntingthorpe, which isn't exactly a big place (as in, long track) for a 200mph run.

They could have achieved that speed with a standard car. Pretty much everything they did to that poor Esprit was either shoddy or detrimental and they then had the nerve to blame the car. It's been rebuilt by a knowledgeable enthusiast now and is back to rude (and reliable) health.

[TIGA84]

J4CKO said:

55 engined Merces in good order with a pulley, map and a few other bits will do it.

Jag XFR's are getting cheaper (15k and up) and with some fettling, 200 mph should be do-able, ditto XKR's

http://www.evo.co.uk/jaguar/9740/jaguar-xfr-225mph


But big power boosted Mercs would be the main way to do it relatively cheaply.

Saw over 170 in a standard XFR a couple of years ago on the way back from the Ring, ran out of road rather than engine, was still pulling, albeit slowly, so I'd concur that it wouldn't take massive money to get them over 200, they are seriously impressive.

[popeyewhite]

CraigyMc said:

FFS.

Are you the only person on the thread who saw that and didn't think "yeah, with the limiter removed"?

I have no idea!

CraigyMc said:

Even the original post of the thread says it.

Yes, and so did all the others. Apologies if I've upset you.

[popeyewhite]

markcoznottz said:

E60 m5 one of the few cars that really will pull a double ton, don't know about the speed rating on the tyres thiugh...

On the subject of tyres, most people with fast cars use tyres rated to what - 155/170? Not sure...but how unsafe is it to take these tyres up to 180/190 every now and again?

[M-SportMatt]

TIGA84 said:

Saw over 170 in a standard XFR a couple of years ago on the way back from the Ring, ran out of road rather than engine, was still pulling, albeit slowly, so I'd concur that it wouldn't take massive money to get them over 200, they are seriously impressive.

It would take a huge hike in power to get from 170 to 200 even if the gearing was correct, which it wont be

[Geekman]

You can get a leggy w220 S600 v12 biturbo or w215 cl600 v12 biturbo for £5-6k. Should crack 200 with a remap and limiter removal I'd have thought? Would be a good bit cheaper than an E55, until you got the first bill that is.

[OzzyR1]

J4CKO said:

What is a Power Commander ?

A gizmo that plugs into the bike's ECU and tweaks the fuel injection & ignition timing for optimum performance.

[TIGA84]

M-SportMatt said:

TIGA84 said:

Saw over 170 in a standard XFR a couple of years ago on the way back from the Ring, ran out of road rather than engine, was still pulling, albeit slowly, so I'd concur that it wouldn't take massive money to get them over 200, they are seriously impressive.

It would take a huge hike in power to get from 170 to 200 even if the gearing was correct, which it wont be

M5 V10 de-restricted with similar BHP and virtually the same weight will do 200, why would the Jag be any different with gearing/limiter adjusted?

[Harrison-91xcg]

A stock 335D

[Hammy98]

Harrison-91xcg said:

A stock 335D

Mapped*

[kambites]

According to this: http://www.evo.co.uk/jaguar/9740/jaguar-xfr-225mph

Jaguar got an XFR up to 225mph with the standard gearbox and diff, so it's clearly geared for it.

[IanH755]

From experience I know £22k on a mapped Audi C6 RS6 (730hp+) will get you past 200mph very easily (in 36 seconds from standstill and still with a gear go too to 220mph+) but, for even less, spending £12k on a mapped C5 RS6 will 'just' about break it eventually, after a good few minutes of redlining.

Both felt solid at that speed but I'd never do it in the C5 again, it takes far too long holding the engine at almost redline for me to be comfortable.

Edited by IanH755 on Friday 17th March 13:28