RE: Hybrids are the 'next diesel': Tell Me I'm Wrong
Discussion
amgmcqueen said:
liner33 said:
herewego said:
amgmcqueen said:
If that is the case why does it only average 48mpg? Let's not forget it also costs the best part of £30k!
Do you have a reference for this 48mpg?
yourself...My next door neighbour has a gen 3 and is forever complaining about the poor consumption compared to my Golf. He actually gets more around 45mpg which I think is very poor.
As diesel will soon be on the way out I was intrigued to find out more about hybrids and see if they are a viable alternative?
This site also seems to confirm what he is saying:
http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/prius
Maybe the latest version is better but like I say considering it costs twice as much as a normal family car, how many miles would you need to cover to start seeing the benefits?
random comment said:
Better air flow in center lane of three lane highway
If you regularly drive on a 3-lane highway (or perhaps more lanes), due to movement of traffic the airflow is better and more consistent if you drive in the center lane(s). You'll notice an increase in fuel economy.
Great advice...If you regularly drive on a 3-lane highway (or perhaps more lanes), due to movement of traffic the airflow is better and more consistent if you drive in the center lane(s). You'll notice an increase in fuel economy.
Hybrids are the next diesel,yes.
How many ways can people try to re-define a law of physics.
Newtons second law is as follows...
'The acceleration of an object as produced by a net force is directly proportional to the magnitude of the net force, in the same direction as the net force, and inversely proportional to the mass of the object.'
1 Newton = 1 kg • m/s2
The definition of the standard metric unit of force is stated by the above equation. One Newton is defined as the amount of force required to give a 1-kg mass an acceleration of 1 m/s/s.
The net force is chemical energy,or electrical energy or leg power. The more mass.....
So if we all commute in 2 ton suv's ?? I see people rock up to primary schools in diesel suv's, the kids jump out,then suck on an asthma inhaler.
Humans really cant see the wood for the trees can they ?
How many ways can people try to re-define a law of physics.
Newtons second law is as follows...
'The acceleration of an object as produced by a net force is directly proportional to the magnitude of the net force, in the same direction as the net force, and inversely proportional to the mass of the object.'
1 Newton = 1 kg • m/s2
The definition of the standard metric unit of force is stated by the above equation. One Newton is defined as the amount of force required to give a 1-kg mass an acceleration of 1 m/s/s.
The net force is chemical energy,or electrical energy or leg power. The more mass.....
So if we all commute in 2 ton suv's ?? I see people rock up to primary schools in diesel suv's, the kids jump out,then suck on an asthma inhaler.
Humans really cant see the wood for the trees can they ?
Edited by fred bloggs on Sunday 26th March 15:50
Edited by fred bloggs on Sunday 26th March 15:53
fred bloggs said:
The more mass.....
True, but overly simplistic. There are also various resistances, and losses, in the system:-- Generation loss
- Distribution loss
- Transmission loss
- tyre/road friction (rolling resistance)
- air resistance (CdA)
- braking losses (exacerbated by poor driving technique and by too much traffic)
So, theoretically, it's entirely possible for a very aerodynamic petrol SUV in minimal traffic to be more through-supply-chain efficient than a Prius. It's just really bloody unlikely...
amgmcqueen said:
Ah, that explains a lot. You're quoting US MPG. I don't wish to offend, but did you realise that a US gallon is smaller than a UK gallon? US economy figures often look quite rubbish until you remember to convert from one to another.48 mpg (US) = 57.6 mpg (UK)
All of a sudden, the hybrid looks a lot more impressive.
blearyeyedboy said:
amgmcqueen said:
Ah, that explains a lot. You're quoting US MPG. I don't wish to offend, but did you realise that a US gallon is smaller than a UK gallon? US economy figures often look quite rubbish until you remember to convert from one to another.48 mpg (US) = 57.6 mpg (UK)
All of a sudden, the hybrid looks a lot more impressive.
LMA37 said:
peklim said:
I have a X5 PHEV & it has saved me a fortune in petrol. I buy petrol every couple of months now as opposed to at least weekly before, which admittedly was with a E61 M5.Buying a PHEV & not plugging it in,ideally at both ends of the journey,makes no sense.
I was appalled by the X5 PHEV it was terrible compared to my Outlander. I had the X5 for a week and used as much petrol in one week as my Outlander uses in one month.I tried to persuade her that a Tesla Model X would be ideal but it was a little too "out there" for her. I think the Outlander might just be the gateway drug to get her into a Tesla.
fred bloggs said:
Hybrids are the next diesel,yes.
How many ways can people try to re-define a law of physics.
Newtons second law is as follows...
'The acceleration of an object as produced by a net force is directly proportional to the magnitude of the net force, in the same direction as the net force, and inversely proportional to the mass of the object.'
1 Newton = 1 kg • m/s2
The definition of the standard metric unit of force is stated by the above equation. One Newton is defined as the amount of force required to give a 1-kg mass an acceleration of 1 m/s/s.
The net force is chemical energy,or electrical energy or leg power. The more mass.....
So if we all commute in 2 ton suv's ?? I see people rock up to primary schools in diesel suv's, the kids jump out,then suck on an asthma inhaler.
Humans really cant see the wood for the trees can they ?
Except hybrid vehicles recover kinetic energy that non hybrids do not. Not apples to applesHow many ways can people try to re-define a law of physics.
Newtons second law is as follows...
'The acceleration of an object as produced by a net force is directly proportional to the magnitude of the net force, in the same direction as the net force, and inversely proportional to the mass of the object.'
1 Newton = 1 kg • m/s2
The definition of the standard metric unit of force is stated by the above equation. One Newton is defined as the amount of force required to give a 1-kg mass an acceleration of 1 m/s/s.
The net force is chemical energy,or electrical energy or leg power. The more mass.....
So if we all commute in 2 ton suv's ?? I see people rock up to primary schools in diesel suv's, the kids jump out,then suck on an asthma inhaler.
Humans really cant see the wood for the trees can they ?
Edited by fred bloggs on Sunday 26th March 15:50
Edited by fred bloggs on Sunday 26th March 15:53
Hybrids are a curious beast - the main automotive makers testing the water. They hate electric cars. An electric car is a major issue for a car manufacturer.
If we go electric then the gravy train for the auto manufacturer stops. They no longer have an engine that needs serviced and the car uses electric braking so it dosnt eat discs and pads as much. They hate, or rather hated it until tesla came about and made a viable challenge. As electric cars come on stream we will see a significant change. battery technology will change. I reckon we will have 200 250 mile charges within 2 to 3 minutes. then petrol will be dead.
Hybrids were a way for a company to offer range and electric power together. but that wont wash. its got to be electric.
If we go electric then the gravy train for the auto manufacturer stops. They no longer have an engine that needs serviced and the car uses electric braking so it dosnt eat discs and pads as much. They hate, or rather hated it until tesla came about and made a viable challenge. As electric cars come on stream we will see a significant change. battery technology will change. I reckon we will have 200 250 mile charges within 2 to 3 minutes. then petrol will be dead.
Hybrids were a way for a company to offer range and electric power together. but that wont wash. its got to be electric.
I was recently involved in a government scheme to promote Electric & Hydrogen powered vehicles, I had a Hydrogen powered car to play with, decent range, did everything an electric car does. The tech is there from the manufacturers. The problem is hydrogen distribution.
I had a good chat with one of the geeks who the government have employed, amazingly he knew what he was on about. He suggested the next big step will be hydrogen & to overcome the distribution problem someone has come up with a brilliant solution, that is currently getting backing, with several providers in the running. Remote solar/wind powered micro hydrogen plants/stations.
There are solar & wind farms popping up everywhere, as renewable energy source becomes available locally. Plug in a remote hydrogen generating plant, hey presto you have a hydrogen stations all over the place with no distribution network.
Like this http://www.itm-power.com/news-item/launch-of-m1-wi...
I had a good chat with one of the geeks who the government have employed, amazingly he knew what he was on about. He suggested the next big step will be hydrogen & to overcome the distribution problem someone has come up with a brilliant solution, that is currently getting backing, with several providers in the running. Remote solar/wind powered micro hydrogen plants/stations.
There are solar & wind farms popping up everywhere, as renewable energy source becomes available locally. Plug in a remote hydrogen generating plant, hey presto you have a hydrogen stations all over the place with no distribution network.
Like this http://www.itm-power.com/news-item/launch-of-m1-wi...
cptsideways said:
I was recently involved in a government scheme to promote Electric & Hydrogen powered vehicles, I had a Hydrogen powered car to play with, decent range, did everything an electric car does. The tech is there from the manufacturers. The problem is hydrogen distribution.
I had a good chat with one of the geeks who the government have employed, amazingly he knew what he was on about. He suggested the next big step will be hydrogen & to overcome the distribution problem someone has come up with a brilliant solution, that is currently getting backing, with several providers in the running. Remote solar/wind powered micro hydrogen plants/stations.
There are solar & wind farms popping up everywhere, as renewable energy source becomes available locally. Plug in a remote hydrogen generating plant, hey presto you have a hydrogen stations all over the place with no distribution network.
Like this http://www.itm-power.com/news-item/launch-of-m1-wi...
The biggest problem with hydrogen used to be storage, unless that has been solved its not really viable for large scale deployment. I had a good chat with one of the geeks who the government have employed, amazingly he knew what he was on about. He suggested the next big step will be hydrogen & to overcome the distribution problem someone has come up with a brilliant solution, that is currently getting backing, with several providers in the running. Remote solar/wind powered micro hydrogen plants/stations.
There are solar & wind farms popping up everywhere, as renewable energy source becomes available locally. Plug in a remote hydrogen generating plant, hey presto you have a hydrogen stations all over the place with no distribution network.
Like this http://www.itm-power.com/news-item/launch-of-m1-wi...
Also hydrogen requires a lot of power to produce. I think it would be better to use that power for vehicles and cut out the middle man.
What we really need is an advance in battery and charger tech. These things have been promised for the last couple of years, but as yet not delivered.
They'd better get their skates on though if this is true.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/05/14/pet...
Goldbear said:
Out of curiosity does the lack of sound put people off electric cars? I mean is that the only hurdle to get over?(other than range)
Given that most cars for sale today sound anodyne and boring anyway, I can't see it will matter for mainstream applications.The big issue still appears to be 'range anxiety' - despite the fact that 98/99% of someone's journeys can be done easily in a single charge, the fact that it takes >1hr to recharge at best (assuming there's a spare charging point where you need it to be) seems to still be a psychological obstacle.
That and the heavy discounting of new ICE-powered cars by some of the big mfrs making the headline cost of an electric car unattractive. (And even 3-yr lifetime cost is still >> for average mileage, like-for-like)
Thats the highly toxic stuff that was actually in power tools in the 1990s rather than hybrid cars today and are sealed in a metal box rather than pumped into the air like combustion pollution?
Yeah okay let's invent a tax, we shall call it Clarksonism tax - it will apply to those who regurgitate that one episode many years after it occurred.
Yeah okay let's invent a tax, we shall call it Clarksonism tax - it will apply to those who regurgitate that one episode many years after it occurred.
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