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In this instance, it is hard to tell who'd have ended up out of pocket. So long as you notified paypal of the lack of delivery within the 14 days then maybe paypal would be wearing the loss. My bet is that they get you to pay using that method then string you along with tall tales until the 14 days has passed and the money has left your account to paypal. Even if paypal end up getting scammed, they'll be long gone with the money well inside the 14 days.

A fool and his money....

I'd never buy a car that I hadn't personally physically inspected and tested, and confirmed ownership and had a history check. I'd only consider breaking those rules if buying from a legit, long time established dealership who'd still be there if I needed to come back to them.

If it's pay after delivery, if it's never delivered then you never pay ....... As you say who loses out ?

I assume paypal retain the funds till 14 days are up.

As soon as you use pay on delivery, paypal make a payment to the scammer.... who then need to string you along for 14 days, then their paypal funds are released and they run off with the cash.

If you don't advise paypal within 14 days that you have not received it (all the while getting a convincing sob story from the scammer to keep you on the hook - if they can be bothered) then paypal will bill you and release the funds to the scammer.

As you'd have had 14 days to advise paypal you've not had the car delivered, I suspect paypal wouldn't be returning your money.

This scam relies on numbers. They will be getting loads of victims on the hook each day with each advert, with only maybe a few getting as far as payment, and fewer still being baited into waiting the 14 days. But as long as a few people are fooled enough to trust them for the 14 days then they still make big money from the scam.... that's why they use vehicles as bait adverts, as each successful scam nets them £1000's.

It is quite a neat twist on the old scam, as it uses trust in the paypal brand and the way their 'pay after delivery' service works to make victims feel reassured that it isn't a scam. Once a victim is on the hook, and thinks they have a bargain and trust the scammer, lots of people don't like to think they've been fooled or lose out on a bargain.... end result, not too hard to rip people off.

daemon

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spookly said:

I assume paypal retain the funds till 14 days are up.

As soon as you use pay on delivery, paypal make a payment to the scammer.... who then need to string you along for 14 days, then their paypal funds are released and they run off with the cash.

If you don't advise paypal within 14 days that you have not received it (all the while getting a convincing sob story from the scammer to keep you on the hook - if they can be bothered) then paypal will bill you and release the funds to the scammer.

As you'd have had 14 days to advise paypal you've not had the car delivered, I suspect paypal wouldn't be returning your money.

This scam relies on numbers. They will be getting loads of victims on the hook each day with each advert, with only maybe a few getting as far as payment, and fewer still being baited into waiting the 14 days. But as long as a few people are fooled enough to trust them for the 14 days then they still make big money from the scam.... that's why they use vehicles as bait adverts, as each successful scam nets them £1000's.

It is quite a neat twist on the old scam, as it uses trust in the paypal brand and the way their 'pay after delivery' service works to make victims feel reassured that it isn't a scam. Once a victim is on the hook, and thinks they have a bargain and trust the scammer, lots of people don't like to think they've been fooled or lose out on a bargain.... end result, not too hard to rip people off.

I think you simply get an email from "paypal" (but not really) requesting payment but promising not to release funds until after you have taken delivery of the car, and you have authorised the release of the funds.

You pay paypal, but of course the "promise" email was just a scam, so they've got your money immediately.

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DSGbangs said:

Momentofmadness said:

996TT02 said:

phey708 said:

996TT02 said:

OK so for the avoidance of confusion - this is it, and try to outbid me!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2012-62-AUDI-A6-3-0-BiTD...

Ok your on biggrin

Someone has just been outbid smile

Seems bidding is stuck at £60,400. Bargain!

I managed to get it up too 65K hehe

Be brave, man!

daemon

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This scammer seems a little more sophisticated than what i've seen before

I bumped them an offer of £5500...

scammer said:

I am sorry for the late reply.The car is still for sale. Excellent condition and it has no damages or faults MOT Valid. All paperwork present. It belonged to my father who unfortunately passed away 3 months ago and the bike has been in storage since then.
Car is available for viewing in Elgin, Scotland and I live in Poland so I can't go there every time someone wants to see it, plus I can't go alone as I am a woman. If this is going to be a quick sale, I will let it go for £6,100 (I can also have it delivered within the UK for 150 pounds).
Please see the attached pictures.
Let me know if you are still interested

So i replied i wanted to go ahead at £6100.

They then sent me a link to the proper paypal "pay after delivery" info - which is a valid paypal link

scammer said:

Yes i can delivery to Nothern Ireland for 200 pounds is ok?.I suggest going through eBay for your peace of mind. As for payment we will use PayPal - Pay After Delivery which gives you 14 days for the car to be delivered/inspected before any funds are released to me. Regarding delivery my friend will collect the car and will transport it safely to your location.
Please read the PayPal (Pay after delivery) terms by clicking on the link below:

https://www.paypal.com/uk/webapps/mpp/pay-after-de...

This purchase protection guarantees that the car is exactly as I described it; basically, once delivered, you'll have 5-7 days to inspect it and if you decide not to keep it you will get refunded in no time and they will charge me with the return costs. I will get paid only after you confirm that you received the car in good order.

Let me know if you want to go ahead as I still have quite a few more offers from potential buyers. If you do want to go ahead please email me your full name and address along with your daily contact number.

Regards

I replied with a duff (but viable) contact address and a fake mobile number, and i've heard nothing since. I suspect they googled the address and seen it was fake.

I'm assuming had they went ahead i'd have then got the email from paypal requesting the £6,100 to be paid but that it would be held by them for me. Had i then done so, it would, of course, have went straight into the scammers paypal account

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Look like they didnt bother even checking the address - i've got an email from "paypal" asking for payment to be made now, so that they can "hold it for me" until i am entirely satisfied.

The email address is "PayPal <pay@paypad-email.co.uk>"

PayPad said:

Thanks for using PayPal.

eBay seller has requested the payment through PayPal - Pay after delivery and we offered to cover all the risks for you and the seller.
It is our responsibility to inform Buyers about our Sellers. You are dealing with a verified PayPal member, protected by our PayPal services such as insurance and dispute resolution, and you may buy and sell with confidence in all eBay transactions with this seller.

You should proceed accordingly to complete the transaction in a safe manner.

The following is a notice from PayPal Trust & Safety Department regarding:

ebay
Item Title - Audi A6 (GY62WHB)
Transaction ID - ARS00124
Item Price - £6,100.00

Buy safely using eBay's Money Back Guarantee Program
This vehicle is eligible for up to £20,000 in Buyer Protection when your transaction is completed through PayPal - Pay after delivery

This is a PAD managed transaction and it won't appear in your account history until 14 days after we pay the seller
Complete the transaction in 5 easy, secure and safe steps!
1. eBay accepts the transaction and offers purchase protection to the buyer (if the transaction is declined, no further action is required from either the buyer or the seller);
2. All information received will be processed by PayPal under the direct review of eBay Inc.
3. The Buyer follows instructions and sends the payment to the assigned PayPal verified representative.
After the payment is cleared and verified by PayPal under the review of eBay Inc, it will be secured into a non-interest bearing trust account. Payment being secured, the Seller is notified by PayPal to deliver the vehicle to the Buyer. The Seller has 5 (five) business days to start the deliver procedure. The seller must deliver the vehicle for inspection along with the certificate of title, signed Bill of sale in the Buyer's name, all keys and all ownership documents. The vehicle must be delivered along with all documentation requested by the Buyer in order to allow him to change the registration in his name as soon as he will decide to accept it after the inspection period will be over.
If no delivery procedure is started, a full refund is immediately sent to the Buyer.
As soon as the delivery procedure will start, the Buyer should wait for the vehicle and documentation to be delivered.
4. After the inspection period is over, the Buyer must contact PayPal with the result of the inspection of the vehicle.
The Buyer receives the vehicle and has 5-7 (five-seven) business days to inspect it. The inspection period will not begin until PayPal has confirmed delivery of the vehicle by either Buyer’s or shipper’s notification.
5. If he refuses it a full refund is immediately sent to the Buyer if the reason that determined the Buyer not to keep the vehicle is strictly related to the vehicle's condition i.e (different from what the seller has advertised, described and agreed to sell to you).
The Seller will have the obligation to make all necessary arrangements in order to take the vehicle from Buyer’s possession in maximum 3(three) business days.
If the vehicle and documentation are as advertised, described and agreed, the Buyer should accept it. If the Buyer accepts the vehicle, the payment will be sent to the Seller within 3(three) business days.

How to proceed from this moment?
Your credit/debit card cannot be used a a funding source due to this large amount that must be transferred. The payment must be sent via bank wire transfer to the PayPal representative bank account assigned for your transaction. The payment will be insured until the Buyer receives, inspects and accepts the vehicle. Or, if it is the case, PayPal will refund the payment to the Buyer. Protecting your funds is our main priority.

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PayPal representative bank account* : Payment details

Bank Name: LLOYDS BANK
Beneficiary name: Eugen Biro
Account Number: 66560568
Sort Code: 30-98-91

Invoice #: ARS00124
Subtotal: £6,100.00
Shipping: £ 200.00
Total: £6,300.00

Deposit: £6,300.00

Remaining Balance: £0,000.00

Consult your bank or financial institution for more information on how to complete a bank transfer or please use online banking. Please note that it is extremely important to use the exact details of the account. The beneficiary name must be as written above. Use Case ID number ( ARS00124 ) as reference for the payment. Failure to use the exact information as stated above will result in your wire transfer being returned to you at your own expense.
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