RE: BMW registered as Formula E manufacturer
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The Crack Fox said:
Utterly forgettable racing, kids have no interest in it, grown-ups long for real racing. Manufacturers think it gives good PR for leccy cars in the future. It is totally and utterly doomed, sadly.
I have just written a feature for a magazine, however, about a race series in the US where they stuff leccy powertrains into 70s-80s classic cars. You have something easy on the eye and there are few restrictions technically so they go bonkers with the power. It's not massively popular (yet) but I would love to see it happen here!
Have you actually ever watched a race? What is your definition of racing may I ask? Mercedes are in F1 because it sell cars and cars are moving towards hybrids and elecrtic which is why F1 cars are hybrids. Manufacturers are in FE because road cars are moving to electric vehicles. Saying it's doomed is the same as saying that electric vehicles are doomed!I have just written a feature for a magazine, however, about a race series in the US where they stuff leccy powertrains into 70s-80s classic cars. You have something easy on the eye and there are few restrictions technically so they go bonkers with the power. It's not massively popular (yet) but I would love to see it happen here!
iwantcheese5 said:
Great to get another manufacturer on board. I don't see why FE gets so much hate, the racing is closer and more genuine than anything I've seen in F1 in the last few years. The overtakes in FE are more frequent and not just because of DRS! The speed is coming slowly as well, this year the power cap is 200kW (270hp) but it's rising to 220kW (295hp) next season and 250kW (335hp) the following season. Sounds low but as a percentage increase that's loads, add in the reduced weight they're introducing and the cars will rapidly become fast by anyone's standards.
Having the circuits within cities is fantastic in my mind as well, makes travelling to the races more appealing as you can combine it with exploring a city. It also makes encouraging people to come with you easier too if they aren't die hard motorsport fans.
When they can do a 30-45 minute race on real race tracks at decent speeds I'll start considering its motorsport.Having the circuits within cities is fantastic in my mind as well, makes travelling to the races more appealing as you can combine it with exploring a city. It also makes encouraging people to come with you easier too if they aren't die hard motorsport fans.
Until then its just a folly used by manufacturers as a tax write off.
johnaachen said:
What's a real race track? Is the Indy 500 not a real Race track? Or speedway? Just because they run on shortened circuits does not make them any less motorsport? Is f1 at the Nurburgring not f1 because it doesn't run on the full circuit?
And in most cases, 'real race tracks' are just toy roads. I am happy that they race on street circuits.johnaachen said:
What's a real race track? Is the Indy 500 not a real Race track? Or speedway? Just because they run on shortened circuits does not make them any less motorsport? Is f1 at the Nurburgring not f1 because it doesn't run on the full circuit?
A real race track is a purpose built circuit for motor racing, not some pathway in a park that has hastily erected barriers placed around it. There are hundreds of them all over the world.Indy 500 isn't a race track, its a race. The track the race takes place on is called the Indianapolis Motor Speedway which was a very early purpose built track.
Crafty_ said:
A real race track is a purpose built circuit for motor racing, not some pathway in a park that has hastily erected barriers placed around it. There are hundreds of them all over the world.
Indy 500 isn't a race track, its a race. The track the race takes place on is called the Indianapolis Motor Speedway which was a very early purpose built track.
So when Formula E is racing in Mexico on the same track as the F1 cars (albeit shortened) next weekend that will be motor racing....they will be delighted!Indy 500 isn't a race track, its a race. The track the race takes place on is called the Indianapolis Motor Speedway which was a very early purpose built track.
Crafty_ said:
A real race track is a purpose built circuit for motor racing, not some pathway in a park that has hastily erected barriers placed around it. There are hundreds of them all over the world.
Indy 500 isn't a race track, its a race. The track the race takes place on is called the Indianapolis Motor Speedway which was a very early purpose built track.
Like the 5 on the F1 calendar?Indy 500 isn't a race track, its a race. The track the race takes place on is called the Indianapolis Motor Speedway which was a very early purpose built track.
It's not motor racing as I know and want it, it will never interest me. I have seen some races, it was incredibly dull.
Motor racing isn't just about fast cars, it's a sensory overload of sight, sound and smell that electric cars will never achieve, I will never desire an electric car, however fast it is and I will never drive 500 miles to a field in the middle of anywhere to watch them race.
What disappoints me is that manufacturers are spending time and money on this s
t instead of a proper P1 or GT entry in WEC or Le Mans and F1 participation. There is no emotion in it, I know the F1 forum on here is pretty embarrassing at times but the majority of that is born of emotional attachment to either the driver or the team/manufacturer, that will never happen with Formula E, unless there is a lack of soy products at the circuit coffee shops....
Motor racing isn't just about fast cars, it's a sensory overload of sight, sound and smell that electric cars will never achieve, I will never desire an electric car, however fast it is and I will never drive 500 miles to a field in the middle of anywhere to watch them race.
What disappoints me is that manufacturers are spending time and money on this s
t instead of a proper P1 or GT entry in WEC or Le Mans and F1 participation. There is no emotion in it, I know the F1 forum on here is pretty embarrassing at times but the majority of that is born of emotional attachment to either the driver or the team/manufacturer, that will never happen with Formula E, unless there is a lack of soy products at the circuit coffee shops....Crafty_ said:
A real race track is a purpose built circuit for motor racing, not some pathway in a park that has hastily erected barriers placed around it. There are hundreds of them all over the world.
So circuits like Monaco, Le Mans, Long Beach, Valencia, Mount Panorama (Bathurst), Baku, and the Montreal Circuit aren't real circuits?Does that mean you also write off rallying because it's not held on permanent race circuits?
Mattygooner said:
It's not motor racing as I know and want it, it will never interest me. I have seen some races, it was incredibly dull.
Motor racing isn't just about fast cars, it's a sensory overload of sight, sound and smell that electric cars will never achieve, I will never desire an electric car, however fast it is and I will never drive 500 miles to a field in the middle of anywhere to watch them race.
The electric cars still offer the sight, sound, and smell, it's just a different selection. You get the sound of tyres scrabbling for grip which is normally drowned out by engine noise for example.Motor racing isn't just about fast cars, it's a sensory overload of sight, sound and smell that electric cars will never achieve, I will never desire an electric car, however fast it is and I will never drive 500 miles to a field in the middle of anywhere to watch them race.
Thankfully by being in cities there's no need to travel to a field in the middle of nowhere!
Mattygooner said:
What disappoints me is that manufacturers are spending time and money on this st instead of a proper P1 or GT entry in WEC or Le Mans and F1 participation. There is no emotion in it, I know the F1 forum on here is pretty embarrassing at times but the majority of that is born of emotional attachment to either the driver or the team/manufacturer, that will never happen with Formula E, unless there is a lack of soy products at the circuit coffee shops....
I don't see why Formula E can't have the exact same emotion as any other motorsport? There's still drivers and teams/manufacturers to get attached to?t instead of a proper P1 or GT entry in WEC or Le Mans and F1 participation. There is no emotion in it, I know the F1 forum on here is pretty embarrassing at times but the majority of that is born of emotional attachment to either the driver or the team/manufacturer, that will never happen with Formula E, unless there is a lack of soy products at the circuit coffee shops....SteveSteveson said:
Crafty_ said:
A real race track is a purpose built circuit for motor racing, not some pathway in a park that has hastily erected barriers placed around it. There are hundreds of them all over the world.
Indy 500 isn't a race track, its a race. The track the race takes place on is called the Indianapolis Motor Speedway which was a very early purpose built track.
Like the 5 on the F1 calendar?Indy 500 isn't a race track, its a race. The track the race takes place on is called the Indianapolis Motor Speedway which was a very early purpose built track.
Come on guys, it's the future. Look at it as big scalextric. Everyone loves scalextric. It won't replace F1 any more than kart racing will, and they run on purpose built tracks to highlight their qualities. Most of F1 tracks are purpose built for the same reason.
I enjoy F-E, WEC, F1 & WRC all for different reasons. In my view they all bring something slightly different to the table.
Formula E is here to stay. As long as Honda don't get involved.
I enjoy F-E, WEC, F1 & WRC all for different reasons. In my view they all bring something slightly different to the table.
Formula E is here to stay. As long as Honda don't get involved.
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