Will I have to hand in my piston heads card if I do this
Discussion
Mr Alan said:
Willy Nilly said:
TheTwitcher said:
You do it past someone else's house = "making progress"
Someone else does it past your house = "treating our road like a racetrack"
This.Someone else does it past your house = "treating our road like a racetrack"
Ages ago the wife of the man I was working for at the time complained about the speed of traffic going past her house. The police duly appeared and did a speed check. They also gave her 3 points for speeding.
be careful what you wish for.
It's very likely you will be speeding past somebodies house, given that if 30 is the maximum speed you can do 30.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 is speeding.
Mr Alan said:
You are completely wrong, you will never catch me over the limit in residential areas, you might get me at 80 on a motorway and over 60 on a nsl road when well sighted though
I think you'll be in the minority. My local example of this is near a school. Everyone campaigned for a 20, which is bloody ridiculous because no one walks to the school (fee paying kids don't walk) and the school itself is about 300 yards from the road with 6 foot fences around the boundary. Of course, when you are following someone doing 40 though the limit .... they inevitably turn into the school as they are picking up children....
I'd also be very circumspect about speeds as judged by a stationary human. There is main road near is that is a 40. The residents campaigned for it to be dropped from a 50, and thus pocketed a few %age points on their house prices. They claim that everyone does 60 on it. Reality is that that you rarely do more than 40 - a combination of tight turns and heavy traffic mean that the opportunities to actually drive fast are close to zero. Doesn't stop them complaining though.
We similarly live on a 30mph which is a cut through to avoid going through a village so people do tend to go quick. A lot of our neighbours park on the road when we all have ample parking for 2 or more cars each it slows everyone down nicely. Simply do this and get your neighbours to. Use your cars as traffic calming obstacles.
Willy Nilly said:
30.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 is speeding.
Hence the margins built into the enforcement. I really don't think it has anything to do with NIMBYsm. Just simple consideration. The OP is expecting people to drive roughly like he does in a built up area, ie around 30. Not around 50 or 60. I totally sympathise.
I know it's extremely unpopular on PH but there are a number of vulnerable road users that are far more important than "showing off" in town, not that anyone is impressed.
Willy Nilly said:
Mr Alan said:
Willy Nilly said:
TheTwitcher said:
You do it past someone else's house = "making progress"
Someone else does it past your house = "treating our road like a racetrack"
This.Someone else does it past your house = "treating our road like a racetrack"
Ages ago the wife of the man I was working for at the time complained about the speed of traffic going past her house. The police duly appeared and did a speed check. They also gave her 3 points for speeding.
be careful what you wish for.
It's very likely you will be speeding past somebodies house, given that if 30 is the maximum speed you can do 30.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 is speeding.
30.00000000000000000000000000001 isn't a problem really is it, it's the "excessive speed"
BoRED S2upid said:
We similarly live on a 30mph which is a cut through to avoid going through a village so people do tend to go quick. A lot of our neighbours park on the road when we all have ample parking for 2 or more cars each it slows everyone down nicely. Simply do this and get your neighbours to. Use your cars as traffic calming obstacles.
Hmmmmm no thanks. I will keep my car on the drive to avoid some 
crashing into itOP - we've had the same issue for a while now. Have spoken to police, they said speak to local councillor. Spoke to local councillor, she said speak to the police.
Each and every time someone performs speed checks on our road (via a policeman with a speed gun or a chap with a sign displaying vehicle speed), they witness >80% speeding. A local policeman told me that when he does speed checks, he is constantly busy booking people for the hour or so he is there.
I've asked for a camera van to be utilised. Still hasn't happened. Bizarrely though, I regularly see the camera van being used on the main A roads in the area that are NSL limit.
We get seriously fast drivers and morons overtaking pretty much every day. We also get the idiots racing each other from the lights at one end of the street.
I have just found out that we have a local transport forum. I'm going to see if I can attend their next meeting and ask some questions.
Each and every time someone performs speed checks on our road (via a policeman with a speed gun or a chap with a sign displaying vehicle speed), they witness >80% speeding. A local policeman told me that when he does speed checks, he is constantly busy booking people for the hour or so he is there.
I've asked for a camera van to be utilised. Still hasn't happened. Bizarrely though, I regularly see the camera van being used on the main A roads in the area that are NSL limit.
We get seriously fast drivers and morons overtaking pretty much every day. We also get the idiots racing each other from the lights at one end of the street.
I have just found out that we have a local transport forum. I'm going to see if I can attend their next meeting and ask some questions.
BoRED S2upid said:
We similarly live on a 30mph which is a cut through to avoid going through a village so people do tend to go quick. A lot of our neighbours park on the road when we all have ample parking for 2 or more cars each it slows everyone down nicely. Simply do this and get your neighbours to. Use your cars as traffic calming obstacles.
I'm after a shed and may do this with it. Trouble is, I know that it will be smashed to pieces within hours.Mr Alan said:
For reference they are drives on the right, a side road on the left and further side roads and drives all the way along for around 1/2 mile to a roundabout
My £0.02 is that despite the width of the road, no parked cars (double yellows) and good line of sight, the proximity and density of the houses means that 30 is appropriate. Maybe 40 but certainly no more. And not 20 obviously!
NickCQ said:
Mr Alan said:
For reference they are drives on the right, a side road on the left and further side roads and drives all the way along for around 1/2 mile to a roundabout
My £0.02 is that despite the width of the road, no parked cars (double yellows) and good line of sight, the proximity and density of the houses means that 30 is appropriate. Maybe 40 but certainly no more. And not 20 obviously!
Regardless of saying that the current guidance for a 40 limit is as follows.
109. Roads suitable for 40 mph are generally higher-quality suburban roads or those on the outskirts of urban areas where there is little development. They should have good width and layout, parking and waiting restrictions in operation, and buildings set back from the road. These roads should, wherever possible, cater for the needs of non-motorised road users through segregation of road space, and have adequate footways and crossing places. Alternatively, traffic authorities should consider whether there are convenient alternative routes available.
OK 60 mph or even 50mph today might not be acceptable, and it clearly pisses the OP off, so I'll bow out, but to say that road as shown in that pic should be a 30 and rigorously enforced shows how badly things have developed.
Aaaand before anyone jumps down my throat in that typically nasty habit of some on PH, personally rigorously obey all red ring limits, including below where necessary, even where the limit is, with respect f
king stupid, eg rural dual carriageway 40mph with little or no development either side is one example local to me. Further on we're permitted to get to the hideously heady heights of 50,but the two lanes each way frequently reduced to one, more white paint than in a BandQ wehouse. Priorities should be to teach people to drive properly and not piss about on Facebook. /rantFiF said:
My £0.02 is that a few years back that road would have been a 40 limit. If you even go back as far as DfT Roads circular 1/93 you could even argue that it would have been a toss up whether it was 50. Probably not if there are many more drives directly entering the road than shown in the photo.
Regardless of saying that the current guidance for a 40 limit is as follows.
109. Roads suitable for 40 mph are generally higher-quality suburban roads or those on the outskirts of urban areas where there is little development. They should have good width and layout, parking and waiting restrictions in operation, and buildings set back from the road. These roads should, wherever possible, cater for the needs of non-motorised road users through segregation of road space, and have adequate footways and crossing places. Alternatively, traffic authorities should consider whether there are convenient alternative routes available.
OK 60 mph or even 50mph today might not be acceptable, and it clearly pisses the OP off, so I'll bow out, but to say that road as shown in that pic should be a 30 and rigorously enforced shows how badly things have developed.
Aaaand before anyone jumps down my throat in that typically nasty habit of some on PH, personally rigorously obey all red ring limits, including below where necessary, even where the limit is, with respect fking stupid, eg rural dual carriageway 40mph with little or no development either side is one example local to me. Further on we're permitted to get to the hideously heady heights of 50,but the two lanes each way frequently reduced to one, more white paint than in a BandQ wehouse. Priorities should be to teach people trouble drive properly and not piss about on Facebook. /rant
Thanks for the response - you are clearly more knowledgeable than me on this topic. I've only been driving 5 years or so and my view is a reflection of what I've experienced in that time, so as you say it reflects the caution of our age.Regardless of saying that the current guidance for a 40 limit is as follows.
109. Roads suitable for 40 mph are generally higher-quality suburban roads or those on the outskirts of urban areas where there is little development. They should have good width and layout, parking and waiting restrictions in operation, and buildings set back from the road. These roads should, wherever possible, cater for the needs of non-motorised road users through segregation of road space, and have adequate footways and crossing places. Alternatively, traffic authorities should consider whether there are convenient alternative routes available.
OK 60 mph or even 50mph today might not be acceptable, and it clearly pisses the OP off, so I'll bow out, but to say that road as shown in that pic should be a 30 and rigorously enforced shows how badly things have developed.
Aaaand before anyone jumps down my throat in that typically nasty habit of some on PH, personally rigorously obey all red ring limits, including below where necessary, even where the limit is, with respect f
king stupid, eg rural dual carriageway 40mph with little or no development either side is one example local to me. Further on we're permitted to get to the hideously heady heights of 50,but the two lanes each way frequently reduced to one, more white paint than in a BandQ wehouse. Priorities should be to teach people trouble drive properly and not piss about on Facebook. /rant
Another careful what you wish for (although I thoroughly agree, residential areas are a no-no for speeding) we now have speed bumps, you can guess what happens now! People just race between them, they have tyre marks both before and after them where some lock up then wheel spin away.. That and the lorries locking up when making deliveries to the local shop is particularly delightful!
Same on my road. Chavs congregate in the park opposite and then leave at 3 in the morning at max revs, wheel spinning down the road.
Doesn't bother me because it would make me a hypocrite. I did the same in my youth and grew out of it after accumulating fines and breaking engines. I like to drive fast, so why shouldn't others. If it became intolerable for me, I'd move.
Doesn't bother me because it would make me a hypocrite. I did the same in my youth and grew out of it after accumulating fines and breaking engines. I like to drive fast, so why shouldn't others. If it became intolerable for me, I'd move.
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