Halford BS MOT

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lucido grigio

44,044 posts

164 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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generationx said:
How do all these headlamps go out of alignment anyway if they´ve been undisturbed since the previous test or from new build? I´ve never even had an advisory on this.
Road vibrations and pot holed roads can make things come loose and move around a bit.

SuperchargedVR6

3,138 posts

221 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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lucido grigio said:
generationx said:
How do all these headlamps go out of alignment anyway if they´ve been undisturbed since the previous test or from new build? I´ve never even had an advisory on this.
Road vibrations and pot holed roads can make things come loose and move around a bit.
A minor knock to the bumper can cause it too. Many of these modern bulky headlights need a support bar underneath, which can get bent if the bumper gets a knock.

Otispunkmeyer

12,616 posts

156 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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Headlight at wrong angle?

So not even a bulb? The place I take my cars to for MOTs adjust the beam to the correct angle during testing. Its part of the job isnt it?

My cars always fail the MOT first time though.

Always always always its because a number plate bulb is out. They just change it, bung 50p on the price and re-test. Job jobbed. Its probably a scam to get 50p out of each MOT. probably pays for a few tins of celebrations come christmas.

lucido grigio

44,044 posts

164 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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Otispunkmeyer said:
Headlight at wrong angle?

So not even a bulb? The place I take my cars to for MOTs adjust the beam to the correct angle during testing. Its part of the job isnt it?
It's not part of the job but many sympathetic testers will do it.

Or if the car's a wreck, he won't do it ,just add it to long list of fails.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

127 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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Smanks said:
TooMany2cvs said:
ANY fail or advisory is a sign that your maintenance regime is inadequate...
Total rubbish to say "any"

My last two MOTs on two different unmodified cars had the same annoying advisory which says "engine covers and undertray fitted obscuring view of some components"

Does that mean my maintenance regime is inadequate?
GP,WM. Yes, I'll give you that one... I was forgetting the arse-covering advisories.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

127 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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SebringMan said:
This is the first time I've had an advisory for quite some time. What on? Tyres?
Mmm. You do know that the MOT limit is the same as the legal limit, right? And the common sense limit is a LOT higher than that...

SebringMan said:
It's only an M3 FFS, not a Ferrari!
Only on PH...

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

256 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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Smanks said:
TooMany2cvs said:
ANY fail or advisory is a sign that your maintenance regime is inadequate...
Total rubbish to say "any"

My last two MOTs on two different unmodified cars had the same annoying advisory which says "engine covers and undertray fitted obscuring view of some components"

Does that mean my maintenance regime is inadequate?
What it is, is utterly irrelevant. That is simply an advisory that is put on the mot to inform you that some components are unable to be inspected due to covers (which they are not permitted to remove).

2CV is tight on the money, its most unlikely for a car to fail an mot if the owner maintains it properly. The vast, vast majority of car owners do not maintain their cars well.

SonicShadow

2,452 posts

155 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
Mmm. You do know that the MOT limit is the same as the legal limit, right? And the common sense limit is a LOT higher than that...
No, no, I'm sure 2mm tyres will perform just fine on a typical British pissing wet Winter / Spring day hehe

SonicShadow

2,452 posts

155 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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SuperchargedVR6 said:
To be fair, 99% of the population would have no idea 1 headlight is out of alignment, or that a suspension bush is past it. You can't always detect play in the suspension until you unload it on a jack and start levering things around.

99% of the population also expect cars to last forever and bitterly resent paying for their upkeep, but will happily spend £700 on a smartphone every year.
True. I just expected better from a forum of supposed car enthusiasts.

Smanks

3,100 posts

188 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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Mr2Mike said:
Smanks said:
TooMany2cvs said:
ANY fail or advisory is a sign that your maintenance regime is inadequate...
Total rubbish to say "any"

My last two MOTs on two different unmodified cars had the same annoying advisory which says "engine covers and undertray fitted obscuring view of some components"

Does that mean my maintenance regime is inadequate?
What it is, is utterly irrelevant. That is simply an advisory that is put on the mot to inform you that some components are unable to be inspected due to covers (which they are not permitted to remove).

2CV is tight on the money, its most unlikely for a car to fail an mot if the owner maintains it properly. The vast, vast majority of car owners do not maintain their cars well.
I know what advisories are there for. And I know what my specific advisories are meant to cover. I am trying to say that it is unfair to say ANY ADVISORY means poor maintenance, which is what was implied in the first quote I posted, so no it's not utterly irrelevant.

Flibble

6,476 posts

182 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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Smanks said:
I know what advisories are there for. And I know what my specific advisories are meant to cover. I am trying to say that it is unfair to say ANY ADVISORY means poor maintenance, which is what was implied in the first quote I posted, so no it's not utterly irrelevant.
It's a fair point. I mean what are you supposed to do, remove the undertrays before the test? I don't think so.

The Wookie

13,970 posts

229 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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kiethton said:
Rich_W said:
60K on front pads laughrolleyes
Totally possible, managed 70k on my first set of front pads in the old astra, all disc's and rear pads still original at 100k miles smile
Just changed the pads on the Cayenne at 65k, assuming the previous owner didn't get through a set in 13k then they've done the full distance. I'm heavy footed and there's probably 20k of towing large trailers in that too.

I actually changed them before the pad wear indicators triggered as I thought they must be shagged after that mileage, but they actually had a good few mm left on them.

Surprising but true

Richard-390a0

2,259 posts

92 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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The Wookie said:
kiethton said:
Rich_W said:
60K on front pads laughrolleyes
Totally possible, managed 70k on my first set of front pads in the old astra, all disc's and rear pads still original at 100k miles smile
Just changed the pads on the Cayenne at 65k, assuming the previous owner didn't get through a set in 13k then they've done the full distance. I'm heavy footed and there's probably 20k of towing large trailers in that too.

I actually changed them before the pad wear indicators triggered as I thought they must be shagged after that mileage, but they actually had a good few mm left on them.

Surprising but true
I sold my last car at 75k miles still on original d&p's all round with plenty of meat left... m'way commutes helps, obviously stop/start around town all the time would be a different story. (3 or 4 sets of tyres in that time though).

gmaz

4,415 posts

211 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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Same happened with my daughter - Halfords failed her car and quoted her £409 for the work. I got the lot done for £200.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

256 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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Smanks said:
I know what advisories are there for. And I know what my specific advisories are meant to cover. I am trying to say that it is unfair to say ANY ADVISORY means poor maintenance, which is what was implied in the first quote I posted, so no it's not utterly irrelevant.
Fair point, i only read the failures part, mea culpa. Its impossible to avoid certain advisories like this, and to be fair are meaningless in a maintenance context, just arse covering.

Combustion29

Original Poster:

111 posts

90 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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The halfords mot was bs. Took it to another garage and the wiper and suspension weren't even flagged. Halfords also refused a free retest because it required using the lift. Anyway, just saved a ton of money and a valuable lesson. Who ever said pay up and move on earlier clearly likes wasting money.


Butter Face

30,353 posts

161 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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Combustion29 said:
The halfords mot was bs. Took it to another garage and the wiper and suspension weren't even flagged. Halfords also refused a free retest because it required using the lift. Anyway, just saved a ton of money and a valuable lesson. Who ever said pay up and move on earlier clearly likes wasting money.
You realise that MOT's done by different testers at different garages can yield very different results right?

MOT tests are mostly down to the judgement of the tester and how they interpret the 'rules' laid out th them.

Hopefully you won't be starting a thread next month with 'suspension just failed on my car but it passed an MOT, where do I stand?' winkhehe

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

127 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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Butter Face said:
You realise that MOT's done by different testers at different garages can yield very different results right?

MOT tests are mostly down to the judgement of the tester and how they interpret the 'rules' laid out th them.
Yes - but only in where they draw the line between "a bit shagged, but it'll do for a bit longer" and "you're having a laugh, right?"...

Butter Face

30,353 posts

161 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
Butter Face said:
You realise that MOT's done by different testers at different garages can yield very different results right?

MOT tests are mostly down to the judgement of the tester and how they interpret the 'rules' laid out th them.
Yes - but only in where they draw the line between "a bit shagged, but it'll do for a bit longer" and "you're having a laugh, right?"...
So, you mean between 'advise' and 'fail' or 'pass'

Which in case you weren't aware, are their options.

I've seen some stuff pass that you wouldn't believe, a half assed tester is worse than no tester at all.

Combustion29

Original Poster:

111 posts

90 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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I'll do some work on the car myself now as there's no rush. The point is halfords overpricing and retest policy. Even to do the suspension work would have been half the cost at the other garage.