Would you still buy a diesel now?
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Welshbeef said:
Air quality is going to be public consensus
VW diesel gate has really destroyed the diesel illusion
Cities say London adding an extra £10per day congestion charge others will follow.
Reality is EV is the future and we are in transition currently.
Buying used is an easy choice - especially if you don’t really use the car in cities or if such a rare occurance the extra fee is minimal.
I would consider an EV but like most Londoners, I have nowhere to charge it. The majority of us live in little boxes piled on top of each other or terraced houses where there is next to no chance of parking outside your own home. VW diesel gate has really destroyed the diesel illusion
Cities say London adding an extra £10per day congestion charge others will follow.
Reality is EV is the future and we are in transition currently.
Buying used is an easy choice - especially if you don’t really use the car in cities or if such a rare occurance the extra fee is minimal.
And if you did happen to park within an extension lead of your house, elf and safety would not look too kindly on metres of 13amp wire trailing all over the pavement
As to public chargers, there are 2, just 2, 10 minutes walk away.
My alternative is a scooter or motorbike but thanks to the law not persuing or punishing the feral moped scum, insurance is getting nigh on impossible even at my grand old age and decades of experience.
Of course no 9 to 5 city dweller really needs a car but this Sunday, I'm working at the O2 until 130am in the morning. It is possible to get home but it will take 3 night buses and 2 hours, whilst my car (sure it will cost £25 to park) will make the journey in 25 minutes.
Have a true 24 hour transport system and you will get rid of the need to have a car in many many cases.
croyde said:
I would consider an EV but like most Londoners, I have nowhere to charge it. The majority of us live in little boxes piled on top of each other or terraced houses where there is next to no chance of parking outside your own home.
And if you did happen to park within an extension lead of your house, elf and safety would not look too kindly on metres of 13amp wire trailing all over the pavement
As to public chargers, there are 2, just 2, 10 minutes walk away.
My alternative is a scooter or motorbike but thanks to the law not persuing or punishing the feral moped scum, insurance is getting nigh on impossible even at my grand old age and decades of experience.
Of course no 9 to 5 city dweller really needs a car but this Sunday, I'm working at the O2 until 130am in the morning. It is possible to get home but it will take 3 night buses and 2 hours, whilst my car (sure it will cost £25 to park) will make the journey in 25 minutes.
Have a true 24 hour transport system and you will get rid of the need to have a car in many many cases.
Rather than buy now why not buy an older replacement and run for fewer years until clarity is there re the govt position. And if you did happen to park within an extension lead of your house, elf and safety would not look too kindly on metres of 13amp wire trailing all over the pavement
As to public chargers, there are 2, just 2, 10 minutes walk away.
My alternative is a scooter or motorbike but thanks to the law not persuing or punishing the feral moped scum, insurance is getting nigh on impossible even at my grand old age and decades of experience.
Of course no 9 to 5 city dweller really needs a car but this Sunday, I'm working at the O2 until 130am in the morning. It is possible to get home but it will take 3 night buses and 2 hours, whilst my car (sure it will cost £25 to park) will make the journey in 25 minutes.
Have a true 24 hour transport system and you will get rid of the need to have a car in many many cases.
my old man does as you have done buy brand new spec if exactly as he wants then run it 20 odd years (self services it as he will never sell it so residual value is irrelevant he just wants the job done properly and lies doing the servicing as a hobby). He is mighty impressed with EVs but the range is still not enough for him (off road charging so charge not the problem) - specifically servicing side is barely anything vs ICE.
Welshbeef said:
croyde said:
I would consider an EV but like most Londoners, I have nowhere to charge it. The majority of us live in little boxes piled on top of each other or terraced houses where there is next to no chance of parking outside your own home.
And if you did happen to park within an extension lead of your house, elf and safety would not look too kindly on metres of 13amp wire trailing all over the pavement
As to public chargers, there are 2, just 2, 10 minutes walk away.
My alternative is a scooter or motorbike but thanks to the law not persuing or punishing the feral moped scum, insurance is getting nigh on impossible even at my grand old age and decades of experience.
Of course no 9 to 5 city dweller really needs a car but this Sunday, I'm working at the O2 until 130am in the morning. It is possible to get home but it will take 3 night buses and 2 hours, whilst my car (sure it will cost £25 to park) will make the journey in 25 minutes.
Have a true 24 hour transport system and you will get rid of the need to have a car in many many cases.
Rather than buy now why not buy an older replacement and run for fewer years until clarity is there re the govt position. And if you did happen to park within an extension lead of your house, elf and safety would not look too kindly on metres of 13amp wire trailing all over the pavement
As to public chargers, there are 2, just 2, 10 minutes walk away.
My alternative is a scooter or motorbike but thanks to the law not persuing or punishing the feral moped scum, insurance is getting nigh on impossible even at my grand old age and decades of experience.
Of course no 9 to 5 city dweller really needs a car but this Sunday, I'm working at the O2 until 130am in the morning. It is possible to get home but it will take 3 night buses and 2 hours, whilst my car (sure it will cost £25 to park) will make the journey in 25 minutes.
Have a true 24 hour transport system and you will get rid of the need to have a car in many many cases.
my old man does as you have done buy brand new spec if exactly as he wants then run it 20 odd years (self services it as he will never sell it so residual value is irrelevant he just wants the job done properly and lies doing the servicing as a hobby). He is mighty impressed with EVs but the range is still not enough for him (off road charging so charge not the problem) - specifically servicing side is barely anything vs ICE.
irish boy said:
Ron99 said:
Probably none, not even diesels. Realistic range would be more like 500 miles for petrol and 600 for diesel in a medium-large car. Small cars seem to mostly have very small fuel tanks with only 300-400 miles range.
Do you currently have a car that can consistently travel 900-1000 miles of mixed driving on a tank?
Can’t tell you exact figures but talking to other guys in work with company cars, the Passat diesel I believe comes very close to 1k miles on a tank.Do you currently have a car that can consistently travel 900-1000 miles of mixed driving on a tank?
1000 miles on a tank would be 69mpg, which is about what the official test says. You'd have to drive extremely gently to achieve that on a 1.5-1.75 ton car.
Honest John 'real mpg' says more like 45-50mpg for the Passat which sounds about right. That gives a range of 600-700 miles.
https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/volkswagen/pa...
Ron99 said:
The Passat is listed has having 14.5 gallon fuel tank.
1000 miles on a tank would be 69mpg, which is about what the official test says. You'd have to drive extremely gently to achieve that on a 1.5-1.75 ton car.
Honest John 'real mpg' says more like 45-50mpg for the Passat which sounds about right. That gives a range of 600-700 miles.
https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/volkswagen/pa...
That cannot be right as my F10 535d which doesn’t have eco pro averages 40-42mpg all day long with ease and I don’t hang about. Her F10 is nearly 2.0 Tonnes. 1000 miles on a tank would be 69mpg, which is about what the official test says. You'd have to drive extremely gently to achieve that on a 1.5-1.75 ton car.
Honest John 'real mpg' says more like 45-50mpg for the Passat which sounds about right. That gives a range of 600-700 miles.
https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/volkswagen/pa...
So a woeful 45-50mpg from an eco estate box is simply not right
Welshbeef said:
Ron99 said:
The Passat is listed has having 14.5 gallon fuel tank.
1000 miles on a tank would be 69mpg, which is about what the official test says. You'd have to drive extremely gently to achieve that on a 1.5-1.75 ton car.
Honest John 'real mpg' says more like 45-50mpg for the Passat which sounds about right. That gives a range of 600-700 miles.
https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/volkswagen/pa...
That cannot be right as my F10 535d which doesn’t have eco pro averages 40-42mpg all day long with ease and I don’t hang about. Her F10 is nearly 2.0 Tonnes. 1000 miles on a tank would be 69mpg, which is about what the official test says. You'd have to drive extremely gently to achieve that on a 1.5-1.75 ton car.
Honest John 'real mpg' says more like 45-50mpg for the Passat which sounds about right. That gives a range of 600-700 miles.
https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/volkswagen/pa...
So a woeful 45-50mpg from an eco estate box is simply not right
Small engines only do well in the lab tests or when driven at light engine load, such as around town.
Low-40s mpg for a 335d and high-40s mpg for a Passat sound about right to me.
HoHoHo said:
A year old BMW or any diesel is Euro 6 compliant which makes a huge difference.
The problems that I read about with euro6 involve the adblue and the DPF.The DPF cycle seems to be a pain and rob economy, the adblue has it's own problems, they also seem to cost a lot when they go wrong or need maintenance.
Many owners have expressed an interest in petrol purely to avoid the hassle and cost of the euro6 diesel systems. For this reason alone I see the future favouring petrol and LPG.
Welshbeef said:
That cannot be right as my F10 535d which doesn’t have eco pro averages 40-42mpg all day long with ease and I don’t hang about. Her F10 is nearly 2.0 Tonnes.
So a woeful 45-50mpg from an eco estate box is simply not right
I just looked through some notes that I had made so I could provide facts.So a woeful 45-50mpg from an eco estate box is simply not right
I have a 2.8T petrol Insignia (1.85 tons) and a friend of mine has a 1.6T petrol Insignia (1.7 tons).
We both made a long journey, cruising at 70-75mph indicated speed.
At the end of it, mine showed 38mpg and his showed 41mpg. The difference in mpg being almost exactly the same as the difference in weight.
Both our trip computers lie by several percent, so the true mpg figures would have been more like 35.5mpg for mine and 38mpg for his.
Ron99 said:
irish boy said:
Ron99 said:
Probably none, not even diesels. Realistic range would be more like 500 miles for petrol and 600 for diesel in a medium-large car. Small cars seem to mostly have very small fuel tanks with only 300-400 miles range.
Do you currently have a car that can consistently travel 900-1000 miles of mixed driving on a tank?
Can’t tell you exact figures but talking to other guys in work with company cars, the Passat diesel I believe comes very close to 1k miles on a tank.Do you currently have a car that can consistently travel 900-1000 miles of mixed driving on a tank?
1000 miles on a tank would be 69mpg, which is about what the official test says. You'd have to drive extremely gently to achieve that on a 1.5-1.75 ton car.
Honest John 'real mpg' says more like 45-50mpg for the Passat which sounds about right. That gives a range of 600-700 miles.
https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/volkswagen/pa...
Zerotonine said:
I bought a 2004 Accord Diesel last year, and I will be keeping it until it costs too much to inevitably fix whenever it decides it has had enough. After that, who knows. I am far too poor to be buying new so whatever I get will be on the end of the depreciation curve.
The torque is immense, it goes like a stabbed rat but it doesn’t half kick out s
t when the hammer is down after a few days careful driving, I do feel a little bad about that.
Done the same. Get the injectors removed and cleaned and your wallet and the environment with thank you.The torque is immense, it goes like a stabbed rat but it doesn’t half kick out s
t when the hammer is down after a few days careful driving, I do feel a little bad about that. Then speak to http://premiertuning.com/ and get it re-mapped and you will then see how good the engine is !!
Diesel cars in serious decline..
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/mar/04/t...
A lot of money invested in diesel engine plants to be washed down the drains...
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/mar/04/t...
A lot of money invested in diesel engine plants to be washed down the drains...
I'd still buy a diesel.
Two in my garage are diesels, one Euro 4 and one Euro 5. Both excellent cars in their own right and I'd buy another of either tomorrow if I had to.
For sitting on the motorway at 70, they're in their element. They pull well for overtaking and return decent enough running costs without going down the whole stop-start route which I dislike.
Simply because the government has shat itself and moved the goalposts again, doesn't stop diesels being suitable for my fleet and therefore, I will continue to run them/buy another until there is a better alternative available for my requirements.
Two in my garage are diesels, one Euro 4 and one Euro 5. Both excellent cars in their own right and I'd buy another of either tomorrow if I had to.
For sitting on the motorway at 70, they're in their element. They pull well for overtaking and return decent enough running costs without going down the whole stop-start route which I dislike.
Simply because the government has shat itself and moved the goalposts again, doesn't stop diesels being suitable for my fleet and therefore, I will continue to run them/buy another until there is a better alternative available for my requirements.
Ron99 said:
irish boy said:
Ron99 said:
Probably none, not even diesels. Realistic range would be more like 500 miles for petrol and 600 for diesel in a medium-large car. Small cars seem to mostly have very small fuel tanks with only 300-400 miles range.
Do you currently have a car that can consistently travel 900-1000 miles of mixed driving on a tank?
Can’t tell you exact figures but talking to other guys in work with company cars, the Passat diesel I believe comes very close to 1k miles on a tank.Do you currently have a car that can consistently travel 900-1000 miles of mixed driving on a tank?
1000 miles on a tank would be 69mpg, which is about what the official test says. You'd have to drive extremely gently to achieve that on a 1.5-1.75 ton car.
Honest John 'real mpg' says more like 45-50mpg for the Passat which sounds about right. That gives a range of 600-700 miles.
https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/volkswagen/pa...
irish boy said:
Ron99 said:
irish boy said:
Ron99 said:
Probably none, not even diesels. Realistic range would be more like 500 miles for petrol and 600 for diesel in a medium-large car. Small cars seem to mostly have very small fuel tanks with only 300-400 miles range.
Do you currently have a car that can consistently travel 900-1000 miles of mixed driving on a tank?
Can’t tell you exact figures but talking to other guys in work with company cars, the Passat diesel I believe comes very close to 1k miles on a tank.Do you currently have a car that can consistently travel 900-1000 miles of mixed driving on a tank?
1000 miles on a tank would be 69mpg, which is about what the official test says. You'd have to drive extremely gently to achieve that on a 1.5-1.75 ton car.
Honest John 'real mpg' says more like 45-50mpg for the Passat which sounds about right. That gives a range of 600-700 miles.
https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/volkswagen/pa...
I really don't like diesel as a fuel but for me the fact remains that if I can run only one car and that involves a significant number of miles, I don't know of any alternatives.
For 'regular' motorway cars, diesel is smooth, has overtaking power where you need it and can return good mpg in a decent sized car. I've yet to find any cost effective, practical alternatives.. Unfortunately..
For 'regular' motorway cars, diesel is smooth, has overtaking power where you need it and can return good mpg in a decent sized car. I've yet to find any cost effective, practical alternatives.. Unfortunately..
I've just picked up a late 2015 Euro 6 F30 330d. It is Euro 6 so exempt from the Ultra Low Emision Zone so is pretty future proof.
The engine is a work of art especially when combined with the pretty much perfect autobox. It is more refined than any four pot petrol I've ever used, it goes like stink and will do 45+ mpg on my 26 mile each way commute.
Put it this way I do not crave a 340i one bit. Yes they're good but not worth the 15 mpg penalty.
When I want to burn the good stuff I fire up my Triumph Street Triple and enjoy 13,000 rpm and a set of ITBs roaring under my plumbs.
The engine is a work of art especially when combined with the pretty much perfect autobox. It is more refined than any four pot petrol I've ever used, it goes like stink and will do 45+ mpg on my 26 mile each way commute.
Put it this way I do not crave a 340i one bit. Yes they're good but not worth the 15 mpg penalty.
When I want to burn the good stuff I fire up my Triumph Street Triple and enjoy 13,000 rpm and a set of ITBs roaring under my plumbs.
Ahbefive said:
Brett748 said:
It is more refined than any four pot petrol I've ever used
I don't k ow what 4pot engines you have driven but this statement seems quite ridiculous.The petrol 6 is a much better engine too.
I’m sure some exist but I haven’t ever been in one. Perhaps the 4 pot in the Golf R, Focus RS or something?
Ahbefive said:
I don't k ow what 4pot engines you have driven but this statement seems quite ridiculous.
The petrol 6 is a much better engine too.
Even the older 4 pot diesels are only rattly at tickover.The petrol 6 is a much better engine too.
My e90 320d is refined at speed, just sounds like a bloody Massey Ferguson at the lights.
As long as I can drive the thing to the city limits, I'll keep it. From there I jump onto public transport or my folding bike. If they introduce massively punitive taxation in DE for owning a Euro 4 diesel I will have to reconsider.
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