What is the "best" 4 cylinder engine ever made?
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Supersam83 said:
Surely the best 4-cylinder engine has to be the Mercedes Benz M139L 2.0 Litre.
469 hp (350 kW) at 6,750 rpm
402 lb?ft (545 N?m) at 5,250-5,500 rpm
The Mercedes Benz M139L is the world's most powerful four-cylinder engine in serial production with 234.5bhp per litre or 117.25bhp per cylinder.
https://www.mercedes-amg.com/en/world-of-amg/news/...
This engine and those stats just screams major issues a few years down the line. Especially when some plank tunes it up even more.469 hp (350 kW) at 6,750 rpm
402 lb?ft (545 N?m) at 5,250-5,500 rpm
The Mercedes Benz M139L is the world's most powerful four-cylinder engine in serial production with 234.5bhp per litre or 117.25bhp per cylinder.
https://www.mercedes-amg.com/en/world-of-amg/news/...
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crofty1984 said:
Honda vfr800i
Didn't people prefer the 750 due to the valve change upsetting the bike?The orig vfr800fi had a lovely v4 with gear driven cams that made a characterful whining noise (same as the 750).
The vtec version swapped to chain driven cams i think, so lost that little bit of character.
And the vtec had quite an aggressive switch which would upset the bike mid corner.
I've had one of each.
The later facelift vtec had a revised switchover that was less aggressive.
Cars - probably Honda K20/K24 even though I wouldn't choose these for driving unless they were turbocharged.
Bikes - Suzuki 1100 oil cooled from the GSXR1100 era. I like the 1300 from the Hayabusa too but there is something about the fact that the 1100 is oil cooled and reliable to silly BHP that appeals to me.
Bikes - Suzuki 1100 oil cooled from the GSXR1100 era. I like the 1300 from the Hayabusa too but there is something about the fact that the 1100 is oil cooled and reliable to silly BHP that appeals to me.
Artsy said:
Cars - probably Honda K20/K24 even though I wouldn't choose these for driving unless they were turbocharged.
Bikes - Suzuki 1100 oil cooled from the GSXR1100 era. I like the 1300 from the Hayabusa too but there is something about the fact that the 1100 is oil cooled and reliable to silly BHP that appeals to me.
I agree with you on the bike engines, but I am going to let my heart rule for the car engine and go for this.Bikes - Suzuki 1100 oil cooled from the GSXR1100 era. I like the 1300 from the Hayabusa too but there is something about the fact that the 1100 is oil cooled and reliable to silly BHP that appeals to me.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-evolution-o...
This is a subject close to my heart. As someone who grew up watching only 'council' motorsport live, mainly BTCC and rallying, I got very used to and very fond of screaming NA four pots. Turbos do almost nothing for me, even the old school laggy 80's and 90's stuff. All very impressive and big numbers but there is nothing to interest me there. I make an exception for the Subaru flat 4 which you could always identify in the cold forest air about 2 minutes before it went past you.
To me it has to be a really angry sounding, revvy NA. I could think of umpteen race engines or near race engines that found their way into road cars but a lot of those are a bit too needy for my tastes. Of the more livable examples I've experienced, my three stand outs have been the BMW S14 engine, Honda K20 (it's the best really isn't it? I'm just loathe to single it out as it's so obvious) and a cool little dark horse entry was the 1400cc k-series in a supersport caterham. It made 130 bhp I believe, had no torque but had a lovely lack of inertia and revved so cleanly with a great bark. I'd love to built a 7 with one of those and the roller barrel throttles from the R500. A near boggo 1.8 k-series would have been a much easier way to get 130bhp but be far less interesting.
I cannot get excited about stuff like the AMG turbo engine above or the or any of the endless VAG TFSI type options. I've had a couple and I'm sure I'll have more as they're very effective, efficient etc particularly when paired to some 50 speed auto box but to be honest an EV probably offers those qualities more effectively.
To me it has to be a really angry sounding, revvy NA. I could think of umpteen race engines or near race engines that found their way into road cars but a lot of those are a bit too needy for my tastes. Of the more livable examples I've experienced, my three stand outs have been the BMW S14 engine, Honda K20 (it's the best really isn't it? I'm just loathe to single it out as it's so obvious) and a cool little dark horse entry was the 1400cc k-series in a supersport caterham. It made 130 bhp I believe, had no torque but had a lovely lack of inertia and revved so cleanly with a great bark. I'd love to built a 7 with one of those and the roller barrel throttles from the R500. A near boggo 1.8 k-series would have been a much easier way to get 130bhp but be far less interesting.
I cannot get excited about stuff like the AMG turbo engine above or the or any of the endless VAG TFSI type options. I've had a couple and I'm sure I'll have more as they're very effective, efficient etc particularly when paired to some 50 speed auto box but to be honest an EV probably offers those qualities more effectively.
biggbn said:
Can't remember if I've contributed to this thread before but 1.9tdi vag engine was a game changer
I checked through 9 pages of this thread before it was mentioned but I have to agree here.Used in so many applications from repmobiles on an economy run along a motorway to a hot hatch Skoda Fabia VRS.
Definitely not the most exciting engine out but one of the most capable ever made.
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