RE: 50 limits by the back door: PH Blog

[spaximus]

Another example is the Bryn-glas tunnels, I have never driven on that section and it not been 50mph and the result is always a tailback which those limits have created.

Most people always used to manage to drive that section without too much hassle, but the signs now create the problem. Drive that section on a Friday afternoon and the tail back is well past Newport and as soon as you are past the tunnel normality returns.

[Willy Nilly]

Next weekend I have make a dash oop north. It's quite possible I'll be coming home late at night. If I do, a weeks wages says that on the M25 from the junction of the M1 toward Dartford there will be more lanes than vehicles, all running smoothly and a 40 limit. Every. fking. Time.

[BMWMan3]

I also have to agree - smart motorways are not so smart, in fact it's hazardous, the smart motorways seems good on paper, but in practise it is immensely impractical, I do wonder who the come with the idea was sincere or insidious motive to get the car users to be 'Fed-up and stressed' driving and or, to generate 'money making Machine' or both...

Don't treat people like idiots, otherwise you will have whole lot of problem coming up associated becoming mindless autonomy...

[Kenny Powers]

SBDJ said:

Did you invent the system or something? You seem very defensive of it, despite the admission by someone who works for the HA earlier in the thread that it does get things wrong resulting in random lower speed limits. The traffic queue explanation doesn't always fit. Seems a couple of slow moving lorries can result in a drop to 40mph for everyone else further back.

No. Nothing is perfect. I just find it genuinely hilarious that some people appear to be moaning that they're not getting stuck in traffic. Even funnier is that they don't realise that's what they're doing

[Blakewater]

Kenny Powers said:

Perhaps the signs should say "there are traffic problems, but because we are limiting your speed, the road ahead will be clear by the time you get there, so stop your whining"?

Might be a bit distracting though

Don't confuse coincidence with cause and effect. Speed limits could be mucked about with on a quiet motorway and because there is no traffic jam you could assume the speed limit reductions prevented one that would have occured without them.

I wore green underpants today and didn't get stuck in a traffic jam, so I could say wearing green underpants prevents traffic congestion and everybody should be fined for wearing any colour of underpants other than green.

[saaby93]

Kenny Powers said:

No. Nothing is perfect. I just find it genuinely hilarious that some people appear to be moaning that they're not getting stuck in traffic. Even funnier is that they don't realise that's what they're doing

Maybe have a look again at what's really been said

[Kenny Powers]

Yeah well each to their own. Not worth arguing over

You guys continue raising your blood pressure over something that's pretty unimportant, and I'll continue to enjoy the hugely reduced congestion that I experience these days on motorways. Everyone's a winner

[stuckmojo]

techguyone said:

Smart motorways is simply a precursor to PAYG no doubt, watch this space and we'll see.

agreed. Especially as the income from tax on fuel will reduce.

[FiF]

Kenny Powers said:

Yeah well each to their own. Not worth arguing over

You guys continue raising your blood pressure over something that's pretty unimportant, and I'll continue to enjoy the hugely reduced congestion that I experience these days on motorways. Everyone's a winner

Not sure if serious.

[saaby93]

Does this one work?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wale...

There's nothing in the report about whether its improved congestion or safety only about how many fines issued

[Engineer792]

saaby93 said:

Does this one work?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wale...

There's nothing in the report about whether its improved congestion or safety only about how many fines issued

Surely you're not expecting the former?

[Kenny Powers]

FiF said:

Not sure if serious.

I most certainly am, sir!

I've been driving for nearly thirty years. In that time I've seen congestion on our motorways steadily increasing to the point of making many unusable. Now, since the introduction of smart motorways, I find that although my life has been catastrophically ruined by variable speed limits, I spend far less time stationary.

Therefore, in my opinion, they work. They're certainly not perfect, but this discussion has gone a long way to further educate me, and I accept that, overall, they make my life easier. But perhaps that's in part because I don't find it difficult to see huge red-ringed illuminated signs on overhead gantries, and I don't spend my days actively looking for things to complain about

[loafer123]

I also think variable speed limits work.

I equally believe that the speed limit on motorways should be enforced above 85 in clear, dry weather and 70 in wet conditions, as they do in France.

[Kenny Powers]

For sure the speed limit is definitely too low, but the chances of it ever being raised seem slim to none.

[saaby93]

loafer123 said:

I also think variable speed limits work.

I'm not sure how many times I have to post this in this thread but we can all see where variable speed limits can work at the M5 M6 junction at busy times and I dont think anyones arguing about that

However plenty of other posters in plenty of other places have seen what appear to be random variable limits for no apparent reason, which is the discussion prompted by the opening post

[FiF]

saaby93 said:

loafer123 said:

I also think variable speed limits work.

I'm not sure how many times I have to post this in this thread but we can all see where variable speed limits can work at the M5 M6 junction at busy times and I dont think anyones arguing about that

However plenty of other posters in plenty of other places have seen what appear to be random variable limits for no apparent reason, which is the discussion prompted by the opening post

Exactly, but seems some don't want to tackle that question and choose to divert.

[Kenny Powers]

Or, has has already been said, some of us accept that nothing in life is perfect.

Anyway it's a circular discussion. Some people just aren't happy unless they're griping about something. Good day!

[Engineer792]

This is a discussion forum, where people come to discuss things.

If you don't like what's being discussed, and/or have nothing to add to the discussion, please feel free not to participate.

[Kenny Powers]

Righto

[Terminator X]

saaby93 said:

Kenny Powers said:

No. Nothing is perfect. I just find it genuinely hilarious that some people appear to be moaning that they're not getting stuck in traffic. Even funnier is that they don't realise that's what they're doing

Maybe have a look again at what's really been said

[does not compute]Perhaps the designers should listen to the users and incorporate some feedback [/does not compute]

TX.