Temporary Speed Limit TRO Question
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Near where I live there is a stretch of dual carriageway with a 70mph NSL.
For the last 6 or 7 months there have been temporary speed limit signs of 50mph and a road works sign. The 50mph extends for about 2 miles.
At no point have any road works been evident apart from some cones on the hard shoulder over a length of about 50 metres. The cones are right on the edge adjacent to the verge.
I think that the road works are over or aborted but the limit has been left in place by mistake.
Does anyone know whether a TRO is needed for such speed limits and where I can find details of any TRO. The road is the A46 in Warwickshire near Alcester, the direction is southbound.
For the last 6 or 7 months there have been temporary speed limit signs of 50mph and a road works sign. The 50mph extends for about 2 miles.
At no point have any road works been evident apart from some cones on the hard shoulder over a length of about 50 metres. The cones are right on the edge adjacent to the verge.
I think that the road works are over or aborted but the limit has been left in place by mistake.
Does anyone know whether a TRO is needed for such speed limits and where I can find details of any TRO. The road is the A46 in Warwickshire near Alcester, the direction is southbound.
Taita said:
covboy said:
Do they work there offpeak/nightime? In which case the limit has to stay on all the time for the duration of the works
What on earth is the reason for that? Not having a pop at you individually obviously 
If there is somewhere safe to stop, on the back of any signage should be the name & contact number for the company that put them out, note that this may or may not be the company that's doing the actual work. If they're just responsible for the signage, they may not even have been told that the work is finished.
TRO for permanent affects.
TTRO for temporary affects.
The relevant road 'owner' should have the documentation that will describe the limits (start/end points) of the TTRO and also the duration of which it will last (start/end date).
But yes to your question.
A TTRO is required for things like temp. road closures, temp. layby closures, temp. speed limits.
TTRO for temporary affects.
The relevant road 'owner' should have the documentation that will describe the limits (start/end points) of the TTRO and also the duration of which it will last (start/end date).
But yes to your question.
A TTRO is required for things like temp. road closures, temp. layby closures, temp. speed limits.
Found it (copy of data from roadworks.org). Played with the formatting to get it readable:
Roadworks, delays possible
12 Sep 2016 16:59 - 1 Jul 2017 05:00
A46
Responsibility for these works:
Highways England Highways England
Information for Road Users
Location: A46
Traffic lights, etc: Lane closure
Information for Operational Teams
Highway Authority: Highways England
Location: A46, Oversley to Salford Priors.
Description: 24 hour variogaurd with 50mph speed limit 17.30 - 0600 due to bridge strike
Works ref: 3856737
Current status: Work in progress
Work info last updated: 08:12 on 22/03/2017
Last updated on roadworks.org: 08:41 on 30/03/2017
Data source: Highways England
So, looks like something has hit a bridge, and (I guess) has weakened the edge protection/parapet, and the speed limit is to reduce the severity of any impact (the parapets won't be as effective a restraint). Is there any visible damage to any over- or under-bridges along there? Their permit runs out 1st July but they will just extend that if they haven't done the works.
In their defence, it is currently Mad March, so works everywhere and resources stretched very thin - they may be waiting for April's maintenance budgets to come on line.
ETA or they've repaired it and are waiting for the concrete to cure before allowing full loading?
Roadworks, delays possible
12 Sep 2016 16:59 - 1 Jul 2017 05:00
A46
Responsibility for these works:
Highways England Highways England
Information for Road Users
Location: A46
Traffic lights, etc: Lane closure
Information for Operational Teams
Highway Authority: Highways England
Location: A46, Oversley to Salford Priors.
Description: 24 hour variogaurd with 50mph speed limit 17.30 - 0600 due to bridge strike
Works ref: 3856737
Current status: Work in progress
Work info last updated: 08:12 on 22/03/2017
Last updated on roadworks.org: 08:41 on 30/03/2017
Data source: Highways England
So, looks like something has hit a bridge, and (I guess) has weakened the edge protection/parapet, and the speed limit is to reduce the severity of any impact (the parapets won't be as effective a restraint). Is there any visible damage to any over- or under-bridges along there? Their permit runs out 1st July but they will just extend that if they haven't done the works.
In their defence, it is currently Mad March, so works everywhere and resources stretched very thin - they may be waiting for April's maintenance budgets to come on line.
ETA or they've repaired it and are waiting for the concrete to cure before allowing full loading?
Bob, that's great thanks.
So my interpretation is that the speed limit isn't in force at times outside 17.30 and 0600? I'e its a night time and evening limit only.
I think you are right, they have done some work to the bridge and are giving enough time for the concrete etc to go off fully
So my interpretation is that the speed limit isn't in force at times outside 17.30 and 0600? I'e its a night time and evening limit only.
I think you are right, they have done some work to the bridge and are giving enough time for the concrete etc to go off fully
Yeah, your interpretation would appear to be correct - strange though, if it WAS concrete curing then it would be in force 24/7. Concrete doesn't toughen up for the peak hours, then get weak again overnight! 
I'm guessing it's because they will/can remove the varioguard (temporary steel barrier) overnight to get access to the damaged area. But that's all purely guesswork based on a single traffic management entry!
I'm guessing it's because they will/can remove the varioguard (temporary steel barrier) overnight to get access to the damaged area. But that's all purely guesswork based on a single traffic management entry!
99dndd said:
Surely the safest thing to do with a potentially weak bridge would be to drive under it as quickly as possible.
Tricky one in this instance. The road is on top of the bridge which crosses the river Arrow. You would need a small boat to drive under But I see where you are coming from, drive over as quickly as possible. I will advise the Police Officer that I was doing 150mph in order to protect the bridge and other users
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