outriggers

[paul ds]

hi all its been a while since last post ,well the time has come for the outriggers to be replaced I live near Winchester is there any companies around my area that will do the job ,I have heard of one that being Southways are there any others, or an independent who could do the work if the outriggers where supplied.

[Discopotatoes]

http://www.neilgarner.co.uk/TVR_Chassis_restoratio...

[BeastMaster]

Hi Paul - am in the same boat, car just passed the MOT in Feb this year but advisory on outriggers and confirmed that they would probably fail next time. IMHO would only have the job done by someone with experience of doing this especially if not removing the body. Fortunately have two here in the South West - Neil Garner and TVRSW who have completed loads - budget around 2K

Stand by for the comments on here regarding this work as some will say that unless the body is taken off and the whole chassis inspected and refurbished it is not worth doing, so would say that if you are not sure (which is difficult to see) about the spine of the chassis then a body removal is the best option not sure of budget but recon it would be double at 4K

For me having a receipt from a reputable specialist for chassis work in the folder goes a long way in keeping value in the car.

Andy

[Discopotatoes]

if your handy on the the spanners and have somewhere to do it a body off restoration is a very pleasurable if not expensive experience, I'm just in the last throws of mine, i chose to galvanise the chassis once all the repairs were carried out, i out sourced all the works to different firms but did all the undoing and rebuilding myself by the time i got the chassis back from the powder coaters i believe it had cost under £1800 which included freshly powder coated wishbones. so if you have the time and want a challenge i recommend this option

[ClassicChimaera]

Discopotatoes said:

if your handy on the the spanners and have somewhere to do it a body off restoration is a very pleasurable if not expensive experience, I'm just in the last throws of mine, i chose to galvanise the chassis once all the repairs were carried out, i out sourced all the works to different firms but did all the undoing and rebuilding myself by the time i got the chassis back from the powder coaters i believe it had cost under £1800 which included freshly powder coated wishbones. so if you have the time and want a challenge i recommend this option

After hearing weird engine noises earlier tonight this is music to my ears,,, I agree.
I've been thinking about this for sometime, I've replaced half the stuff your going to tinker with as part of a rolling restoration as I couldn't bare to take it off the road so this is close to what I've been thinking is possible. Hook or crook, borrow a few mates muscle and before long you've done it.
I'll take it more seriously as I'm likely to have the engine out before long anyway

Every cloud has a silver lining

[paul ds]

thanks for input food for thought.

[pb450]

ClassicChimaera said:

After hearing weird engine noises earlier tonight,,,

Oh dear... What do you suspect Alun? I beleieve you've done a lot of trouble free miles in that car recently.

[SMB]

Discopotatoes said:

if your handy on the the spanners and have somewhere to do it a body off restoration is a very pleasurable if not expensive experience, I'm just in the last throws of mine, i chose to galvanise the chassis once all the repairs were carried out, i out sourced all the works to different firms but did all the undoing and rebuilding myself by the time i got the chassis back from the powder coaters i believe it had cost under £1800 which included freshly powder coated wishbones. so if you have the time and want a challenge i recommend this option

As someone in the middle of a body off rebuild I think some of the all in costs listed are a little optimistic.

Outriggers in situ is indeed around 2k, but an all in cost to do the body off is more than 4K if you just give it to someone, it's easy to bump up prices As you replace parts that are easy to do whilst it's in bits, then add all new fluids , hoses, etc .labour and work , adds up with troublesome rusted bolts etc

If you are handy with a welder and trust your work then it can be done at around the 2k mark.

My chassis is in pretty good condition for a white 99 car, but having come this far I want to replace the whole outrigger each side despite having minor only in the front corners, that way I'm back to an as new chassis, and I know all the small rust stains around the other welds will be cleaned and re protected.

[Squirrelofwoe]

Mike (Canoesniffer) on here has just had new outriggers put in by Neil Garners, via a partial body-lift. In fact I think he's picking his car up today- worth dropping him a PM for an idea of cost.

[raceboy]

SMB said:

Outriggers in situ is indeed around 2k, but an all in cost to do the body off is more than 4K if you just give it to someone, it's easy to bump up prices As you replace parts that are easy to do whilst it's in bits, then add all new fluids , hoses, etc .labour and work , adds up with troublesome rusted bolts etc

Yeah, I have an invoice for just under £4k for my body off chassis restoration, but I think it's money well spent, my car was 16 years old when it was done and replacing all the fluid lines, hoses, bushes etc while it's in bits is a lot cheaper than changing them when it's back together, and hopefully I'll see a bit of the money back when it hits the market soon.

[pb450]

SMB said:

As someone in the middle of a body off rebuild I think some of the all in costs listed are a little optimistic.

Outriggers in situ is indeed around 2k, but an all in cost to do the body off is more than 4K if you just give it to someone, it's easy to bump up prices As you replace parts that are easy to do whilst it's in bits, then add all new fluids , hoses, etc .labour and work , adds up with troublesome rusted bolts etc.

Agree with the above. Age old story, is it a keeper or will it be moved on in a couple of years? If the latter, you'll want a basic sound job done. If the former, it's worth doing it once only.

I had the Rolls Royce version, by a well respected specialist in Kent. Full strip, blast, zinc, prime and topcoat in multiple layers. Then put it all back together with a healthy dose of 'why wouldn't you' when it came to replacing parts. I have a bill for 6.3k to prove it. Some would see this a cheque book restoration but I can assure you I worked hard to earn that money and still believe it was well spent. Not the cheapest but I got what I paid for.

No plans to sell the car 3 years on and no more chassis concerns. Simple. End of. I realise not everyone can justify that kind of money (who can, sensibly?) but as SMB states, it will be more than 4k to just give it to someone. You WILL find extras which need doing.

Edited by pb450 on Thursday 30th March 12:02

[BeastMaster]

Squirrelofwoe said:

Mike (Canoesniffer) on here has just had new outriggers put in by Neil Garners, via a partial body-lift. In fact I think he's picking his car up today- worth dropping him a PM for an idea of cost.

I visited Neil Garner a couple of weeks ago to discuss outrigger replacement - think they showed me his car to explain how they do it. They were not lifting the body at all to replace them, but were doing some additional work like wishbone replacement and some suspension mods as I recall

This is the way I am going to go at the end of the year with these guys, and prior to this will remove / refurbish or replace the four corners.

[Squirrelofwoe]

BeastMaster said:

Squirrelofwoe said:

Mike (Canoesniffer) on here has just had new outriggers put in by Neil Garners, via a partial body-lift. In fact I think he's picking his car up today- worth dropping him a PM for an idea of cost.

I visited Neil Garner a couple of weeks ago to discuss outrigger replacement - think they showed me his car to explain how they do it. They were not lifting the body at all to replace them, but were doing some additional work like wishbone replacement and some suspension mods as I recall

This is the way I am going to go at the end of the year with these guys, and prior to this will remove / refurbish or replace the four corners.

That would make sense, he certainly had new wishbones and suspension fitted as well- it's an early car in Green.

We had a good look at it as it was up on the ramps when Mike gave me a lift back from dropping my own car off there for it's MOT, I was very impressed with what they had done. Top guys over there too.

[Yex 450]

pb450 said:

Agree with the above. Age old story, is it a keeper or will it be moved on in a couple of years? If the latter, you'll want a basic sound job done. If the former, it's worth doing it once only.

I had the Rolls Royce version, by a well respected specialist in Kent. Full strip, blast, zinc, prime and topcoat in multiple layers. Then put it all back together with a healthy dose of 'why wouldn't you' when it came to replacing parts. I have a bill for 6.3k to prove it. Some would see this a cheque book restoration but I can assure you I worked hard to earn that money and still believe it was well spent. Not the cheapest but I got what I paid for.

No plans to sell the car 3 years on and no more chassis concerns. Simple. End of. I realise not everyone can justify that kind of money (who can, sensibly?) but as SMB states, it will be more than 4k to just give it to someone. You WILL find extras which need doing.

Same here but opted for the Aston Martin version (no zinc dipping) by the same specialist Outriggers were truly horrible once the body was off and knew that the main chassis could possibly need some attention but it turned out only to need a good steam clean, rub down and refinish with multiple layers of protective finish. Plenty of other things done at the same time (see profile) but as per Peter I have no intention of selling the car in the near future so £5K well invested in my opinion.

Lots of people who are much clever with spanners and have significantly more patience than me have done the same job themselves so anyone who believes they could do this sort of thing over a winter layup should give it a go. I'd imagine it is a really nice feeling to start the car up in the Spring after completing the job knowing you have done something very worthwhile yourself

[macdeb]

You are doing the right thing by researching, do as much as you can. I have seen some impressive work done but many shockers too. One by a 'specialist' which quite honestly was appalling, and another where just an outrigger replacement showed the diagonals at different angles Good luck and let all know how you get on.

[Discopotatoes]

SMB said:

Discopotatoes said:

if your handy on the the spanners and have somewhere to do it a body off restoration is a very pleasurable if not expensive experience, I'm just in the last throws of mine, i chose to galvanise the chassis once all the repairs were carried out, i out sourced all the works to different firms but did all the undoing and rebuilding myself by the time i got the chassis back from the powder coaters i believe it had cost under £1800 which included freshly powder coated wishbones. so if you have the time and want a challenge i recommend this option

As someone in the middle of a body off rebuild I think some of the all in costs listed are a little optimistic.

Outriggers in situ is indeed around 2k, but an all in cost to do the body off is more than 4K if you just give it to someone, it's easy to bump up prices As you replace parts that are easy to do whilst it's in bits, then add all new fluids , hoses, etc .labour and work , adds up with troublesome rusted bolts etc

If you are handy with a welder and trust your work then it can be done at around the 2k mark.

My chassis is in pretty good condition for a white 99 car, but having come this far I want to replace the whole outrigger each side despite having minor only in the front corners, that way I'm back to an as new chassis, and I know all the small rust stains around the other welds will be cleaned and re protected.

If you re read my post, I stated that my costs to the point of getting the chassis back from the powder coaters was £1800 that included the shot blasting £150 the repair £600 steel was about £40, galvanising was £432 which included delivery to powder coaters and powder coating £504. I dropped off and collected so if you add £100 for trailer hire( I had my own)
It's totally possible. If your prepared to shop around and do a bit of running around

[CanoeSniffer]

Squirrelofwoe said:

BeastMaster said:

Squirrelofwoe said:

Mike (Canoesniffer) on here has just had new outriggers put in by Neil Garners, via a partial body-lift. In fact I think he's picking his car up today- worth dropping him a PM for an idea of cost.

I visited Neil Garner a couple of weeks ago to discuss outrigger replacement - think they showed me his car to explain how they do it. They were not lifting the body at all to replace them, but were doing some additional work like wishbone replacement and some suspension mods as I recall

This is the way I am going to go at the end of the year with these guys, and prior to this will remove / refurbish or replace the four corners.

That would make sense, he certainly had new wishbones and suspension fitted as well- it's an early car in Green.

We had a good look at it as it was up on the ramps when Mike gave me a lift back from dropping my own car off there for it's MOT, I was very impressed with what they had done. Top guys over there too.

Hi Andy, as Dave says just drop us a PM for an idea of cost if you're going for something similar.

The attention to detail of what they did was superb, really can't fault it. The car went in for outriggers and wishbones but left with a variety of fixes and everything in ship shape. Top guys.

[OleVix]

Discopotatoes said:

If you re read my post, I stated that my costs to the point of getting the chassis back from the powder coaters was £1800 that included the shot blasting £150 the repair £600 steel was about £40, galvanising was £432 which included delivery to powder coaters and powder coating £504. I dropped off and collected so if you add £100 for trailer hire( I had my own)
It's totally possible. If your prepared to shop around and do a bit of running around

Removed and stripped down chassis my self. Borrowed a trailer from a friend and drove it to the blaster. I payed him 300. Drove it to the powder coaters and payed them 250. No holes in the chassis or riggers 93 griff