RE: 2023 BMW XM | PH Review
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biggbn said:
Does ostentatiousness and vulgarity exist, of course it does
In which case, it simply comes down to agreeing or disagreeing whether this car is vulgar. That's inherently and self evidently a subjective call, it doesn't need to be flagged as such. It's entirely legitimate to take either view and any explicit or implied sentiment to the contrary is without basis.NJJ said:
Saw one in Munich on Saturday night, it stuck out because of the huge illuminated grille but it did seem to be garnering a lot of attention, not sure whether good or bad but I suspect that will be just fine with the likely owner demographic. I suspect the lack of driving dynamics won't phase them either but upsetting a legion of M enthusiasts in the process and playing fast and loose with your supposed M(otorsport) heritage does seem short-sighted.
That's the worry, time will tell, I guess.nickfrog said:
biggbn said:
Everything we view we do so through parameters created by our own lived life, and just as history creates the lens through which it is itself viewed, so does our own history create our own ability to arbitrate definite decisions on aesthetics. How much have cultural norms defined what does and doesn't look right over the years? Things that sell well are usually loosely described as 'good', certainly attractive and something to aspire to. This leads to a normative acceptance of a template that applies to everything from physiques to paintings, sculptures to statues. But how much do their creators aspire to create something beautiful and therefore acceptable without pondering for a second on IF what they make is in fact beautiful? We strive to appeal to everyone and this ends up with cliches being passed of as beauty, its a form of populist aesthetics and like anything populist is fraught with danger.
Really interesting thought. On the subject, see Roland Barthes' work on semiology. He even analysis the design of the Citroen DS on that basis in Mythologies.http://www.citroenet.org.uk/passenger-cars/micheli...
Edited by nickfrog on Monday 20th March 21:11
GeeTeeBee said:
biggbn said:
Does ostentatiousness and vulgarity exist, of course it does
In which case, it simply comes down to agreeing or disagreeing whether this car is vulgar. That's inherently and self evidently a subjective call, it doesn't need to be flagged as such. It's entirely legitimate to take either view and any explicit or implied sentiment to the contrary is without basis.
t since the M1. I could not even be bothered to read the article, so long about a pointless snickfrog said:
I totally missed it, in the same way as I missed the launch party as I didn't know there was one.
You missed the launch party? Here's a taster...
And here's the rest...
https://theface.com/culture/bmw-xm-hybrid-concept-...
pheonix478 said:
nickfrog said:
I totally missed it, in the same way as I missed the launch party as I didn't know there was one.
You missed the launch party? Here's a taster...And here's the rest...
https://theface.com/culture/bmw-xm-hybrid-concept-...
This guy's jacket nailed it: "Jesus Christ What Happened..." We'll never know buddy, we'll never know.
pheonix478 said:
You missed the launch party? Here's a taster...
https://theface.com/culture/bmw-xm-hybrid-concept-...
Had a quick look. Two takeaways: https://theface.com/culture/bmw-xm-hybrid-concept-...
1. The average age of partygoers is probably half the age of PH posters.
2. It's impressive how the text aligns with PH posters:
TheFace said:
It’s a real beauty too. The bold exterior styling features statement lighting and heavily contoured curves which scream “look at my ride”. The interior deserves a special mention: a fresh take on the driver-focused cockpit, for which M models are renowned, is matched with a rear cabin design akin to a plush velvet sofa in a swanky cocktail bar, all complete with an illuminated headliner. If there was ever a car made to be shot for a music video, then this is it.
Now it's entirely possible that's just paid copy. But it's equally possible that the reason everyone here hates the car is that we're a generation too old - which means we hate the car because we're supposed to hate the car. . You know the old cliché along the lines of "this is not your grandad's BMW"? Face it chaps - we are the grandads. pycraft said:
Now it's entirely possible that's just paid copy. But it's equally possible that the reason everyone here hates the car is that we're a generation too old - which means we hate the car because we're supposed to hate the car. . You know the old cliché along the lines of "this is not your grandad's BMW"? Face it chaps - we are the grandads.
But the median age globally of a bmw owner? 56...In the US it is still 38!
Bmw have history of screwing this up with expletive laden videos offending core customers and also completely off social posts, for example the infamous, ix twitter pist (your move boomer I believe it was).
Additionally, some of those listed were 28 - 49 to that event, I fall in the middle of that age range roughly speaking and still think it looks frankly appalling.
Ninja59 said:
pycraft said:
Now it's entirely possible that's just paid copy. But it's equally possible that the reason everyone here hates the car is that we're a generation too old - which means we hate the car because we're supposed to hate the car. . You know the old cliché along the lines of "this is not your grandad's BMW"? Face it chaps - we are the grandads.
But the median age globally of a bmw owner? 56...In the US it is still 38!
Bmw have history of screwing this up with expletive laden videos offending core customers and also completely off social posts, for example the infamous, ix twitter pist (your move boomer I believe it was).
Additionally, some of those listed were 28 - 49 to that event, I fall in the middle of that age range roughly speaking and still think it looks frankly appalling.
Only a few more years until most of the new M cars will be fully electric! I can't wait.
Source: https://www.bimmertoday.de/2023/03/13/bmw-m-wird-e...
Source: https://www.bimmertoday.de/2023/03/13/bmw-m-wird-e...
VR6 Eug said:
WTF is going on at BMW design dept! Just hideous car after hideous car being rolled out. The 5 series seems to be the only looker left in production.
To be fair - and I say this as an owner of a current-generation 5-series - the 8 series is the best-looking BMW right now. I'd say "in the right colour" but that doesn't mean dark, there are plenty of white ones in the middle east that look good.pycraft said:
To be fair - and I say this as an owner of a current-generation 5-series - the 8 series is the best-looking BMW right now. I'd say "in the right colour" but that doesn't mean dark, there are plenty of white ones in the middle east that look good.
Yeah, you just have to see the supra next to the Z4 to realize how much BMW lost the plot.But they are doing great in sales so we're all wrong actually...
I don't see the love people have for the 8 series. Sure it looks decent next to the rest of their range (especially anything they produce on stilts), but next to the the competition it's still far from a good looking car.
This thing is just offensively ugly, and some people will love it for that. Doesn't make it any less ugly.
sushi_stu said:
BMW are a full on joke now. I guess they just don't care for the European market because this thing is rank.
Well their worldwide sales figures have been good, aside from a slump in 2020 which is to be expected. They sold more cars worldwide than Mercedes, and also Audi. So I guess they aren't too much of a joke I guess.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff