RE: Peugeot 208 GTI 30th | Spotted

RE: Peugeot 208 GTI 30th | Spotted

Monday 8th January

Peugeot 208 GTI 30th | Spotted

While 205 GTI's 40th will pass without much fuss, the big 3-0 was marked in fine fashion


That Peugeot doesn’t have a hot hatch in its current lineup is sad. That one doesn't seem to be in the works is borderline inexcusable. Yes, for all the usual reasons that manufacturers should have fast five-doors available - it’s a good brand builder, it makes for an affordable performance car - but because its current 208 and 308 are actually quite good. Frustratingly, it’s when the standard models are at their best that Peugeot isn’t interested in making GTIs of them. Or even e-GTIs, for something a bit different; as per the combustion models, battery-powered 208s and 308s have been received well. We live in hope of a change in direction but don’t expect much. It seems that the days of Peugeot hot hatches - or performance Peugeots beyond the 508 Sport Engineered - are kind of done.

In the 40th year of perhaps Peugeot’s most famous performance car (the 205 GTI, in case Monday has got to you as well), that feels a particular shame. There’s been that funky Rallye concept from Europe, but anything even vaguely resembling a performance flagship for the current 208 looks extremely unlikely. Not only is that disappointing given how smart the current model looks with a few tweaks, it isn’t that long ago that Peugeot really cared about the GTI badge on its hatchbacks. 

The 308 GTI was a great Golf rival, but today the attention is on the 208. The standard GTI was fine, if a bit forgettable. To mark the 30th birthday of the iconic 205 (and to give the Fiesta ST something to really think about), 2014 brought us a proper new Peugeot pocket rocket: the 208 GTI 30th. What could have been a mere anniversary special with a dubious two-tone paint job actually proved to be a bit of a hot hatch hero. 

The negligible eight-horsepower gain (to 208hp) wasn’t the big news - the chassis changes are what really made the 30th. The tracks were wider than standard, the negative camber more aggressive and the brakes much bigger (among other things), with a limited-slip diff thrown in for good measure as well. The launch for it was brilliant: a kart track outside Paris, with both standard and upgraded cars to try. Where the regular GTI was vague and loose, the 30th was taut, direct, and a whole heap of fun. It was the best Peugeot hot hatch in yonks. 

That impression was true on UK roads, too. The price had increased, yes, but the experience was befitting of a £23k hot hatch. People would point to the Fiesta ST, inevitably, though precious few of those were in anything less than ST-2 spec which would have been around £20k anyway. Here was a bonafide rival for the fast Ford of the moment with a lion on the front of it; for enthusiasts everywhere, that was good news. 

Perhaps it was the paint, or the price, or the association with a fairly ordinary standard model, but you don’t tend to see many 30ths - or the later, mechanically identical By Peugeot Sport model - around. It wasn’t without flaws (the driving position didn’t suit everyone, for starters), and the 1.6 turbo was never the most tuneful of four-cylinders, nevertheless, this really was a real little corker of a hot hatch. It’s amazing to think that as recently as a decade ago Peugeot was making cars like this, the RCZ R and the 308 GTI. Great performance flagships all, now with nothing to follow them up. 

This 30th is notable as one from that launch year, meaning it’s now 10 years old, as well as the two-tone ‘Coupe Franche’ paint and a very low mileage of just 31,000. Just 800 30ths were made, with 100 for the UK and 75 in the black and red - this is #17. The advert doesn’t do an awful lot more than list the standard kit (it mentions the diff, at least); that being said, what can be gleaned from the pics is encouraging. The wheels haven’t been kerbed, the bolsters haven’t been destroyed, and the matt paint still looks how it should. 

The asking price is £10,499; plenty of Fiestas available for that money, sure, as well as dual-clutch Clios, which was part of the 208s problem when new. For a taste of the hot hatch old school, though, complete with manual gearbox and back-to-basics fun, there’s a lot to recommend a 30th. Even if maybe the paint still isn’t one of them. 


SPECIFICATION | PEUGEOT 208 GTI 30TH

Engine: 1,598cc four-cyl turbocharged
Transmission: Six-speed manual, front-wheel drive, limited-slip differential
Power (hp): 208@5,800rpm
Torque (lb ft): 221@1,700rpm
0-62mph: 6.5 seconds
Top speed: 143mph
MPG: 52.3 (NEDC) 
CO2: 125g/km (NEDC)
Price new: £21,995
Yours for: £10,499

See the original advert here

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howardhughes

Original Poster:

1,009 posts

204 months

Monday 8th January
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The only thing I liked about this car was the Jackal and Hyde paintwork. To this date, I think I've only ever seen one on the road.

C70R

17,596 posts

104 months

Monday 8th January
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The French hot hatch formula of the 80s and 90s really doesn't translate into the world of modern cars.

People simply don't want to put up with questionable looks, dubious build quality, or appalling ergonomics, just for the sake of one enjoyable Sunday morning drive every few months.

You could almost ignore all of the rubbish bits when they were significantly cheaper than the alternatives and fun to drive.

Jon_S_Rally

3,407 posts

88 months

Monday 8th January
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The two-tone paint doesn't do much for me, so I'd probably seek out a BPS in a more standard colour. That said, it would be hard to choose either over a Fiesta ST, which remains one of the many high points for the hot hatch.

It's a real shame that Peugeot have stepped away from this genre. I daily a current gen 208 GT and it's a very good car. Looks great outside, and the interior is a significant step-up from the previous model (and far nicer than the likes of the Polo and Clio). With another 50bhp and slightly more focused suspension, it would be fantastic.

C.A.R.

3,967 posts

188 months

Monday 8th January
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howardhughes said:
The only thing I liked about this car was the Jackal and Hyde paintwork. To this date, I think I've only ever seen one on the road.
Horses for courses, I think it's the worst part of this car (and the 308 GTI which featured the same treatment).

It doesn't channel any form of motorsport derivative / livery reference, it doesn't align with the body lines / shape and worst of all the colour selection makes it look like your limited-edition French Hot Hatch has been delivered from the factory half-inserted into a bin liner that wasn't quite big enough.

Bloody awful!

Andy86GT

322 posts

65 months

Monday 8th January
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I really like black cars, and I really red cars but can't make up my mind scratchchin
I know, I'll have the front black and the back red, that will solve my dilemma! .... rolleyes

smilo996

2,793 posts

170 months

Monday 8th January
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Difficult to sell a hot hatch to a generation whose idea of performance is 2.5 tons of TT V8 plonker extension with 4 cup holders. Clearly a shame given how much better hot hatches are now than they were in the 80's. Seems like a bargain. No Focus RS' for that price. A few old / high milage Audi's.

WPA

8,803 posts

114 months

Monday 8th January
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C.A.R. said:
Horses for courses, I think it's the worst part of this car (and the 308 GTI which featured the same treatment).

It doesn't channel any form of motorsport derivative / livery reference, it doesn't align with the body lines / shape and worst of all the colour selection makes it look like your limited-edition French Hot Hatch has been delivered from the factory half-inserted into a bin liner that wasn't quite big enough.

Bloody awful!
Agreed

J4CKO

41,567 posts

200 months

Monday 8th January
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smilo996 said:
Difficult to sell a hot hatch to a generation whose idea of performance is 2.5 tons of TT V8 plonker extension with 4 cup holders. Clearly a shame given how much better hot hatches are now than they were in the 80's. Seems like a bargain. No Focus RS' for that price. A few old / high milage Audi's.
Ten year old Peugeot at 10 and a half grand is a bargain ?

Would have thought seven/eight, six if it wasnt a special edition on higher miles.

CG2020UK

1,499 posts

40 months

Monday 8th January
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Fantastic cars that are seriously underrated!

The facelifted cars are very reliable. The 8bhp extra isn’t noticeable but the extra torque in the engine made a huge difference.

Interior was class leading when the car was released. Even now it hasn’t really aged. Those Peugeot Sports seats are fantastic and the best in any hot hatch as standard.

Always think PH or EVO should do a track battle between the 208GTi and its rivals (then and the current crop) as I have a strong suspicion that this car will be the quickest.

Some people complain about the dash and steering wheel layout. However when you set it up correctly (look over the steering wheel not through it!) all of a sudden it’s brilliant. Suppose that is why other manufacturers have to use HUDs.

I’ve been fortunate to have owned 2x prestige models that were utterly brilliant and faultless. I’d have no qualms owning another car.

Highly recommend and one of my favourite cars in either Prestige or Peugeot Sport guise.

C70R

17,596 posts

104 months

Monday 8th January
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smilo996 said:
Difficult to sell a hot hatch to a generation whose idea of performance is 2.5 tons of TT V8 plonker extension with 4 cup holders. Clearly a shame given how much better hot hatches are now than they were in the 80's. Seems like a bargain. No Focus RS' for that price. A few old / high milage Audi's.
I assume you've never sat behind the wheel of a 'sporty' 208 if you think they are "better" now.

You'd know if you'd sat behind the wheel, because the horror of the ergonomic mess would be obvious. A steering wheel the size of a shirt button, that lacks sufficient adjustment and obscures most of the instrument cluster is inexcusably rubbish. Tiny pedals that are so offset that you feel like you're driving a Testarossa is embarrassing in a modern car.

If you'd owned one, you'd realise that it's the same characterless engine that's shared with the contemporary Mini Cooper. They also shared the same endemic fuel pump and cam chain failures too.

Give me a 90s hot hatch over this turd any day.

Edited by C70R on Monday 8th January 09:48

Loplop

1,937 posts

185 months

Monday 8th January
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C70R said:
If you'd owned one, you'd realise that it's the same characterless engine that's shared with the contemporary Mini Cooper. They also shared the same endemic fuel pump and cam chain failures too.

Give me a 90s hot hatch over this turd any day.

Edited by C70R on Monday 8th January 09:48
Characterless?

Far more characterful than anything in the current crop of hot hatches bar the 5 pot in the uberhatch Audi's.

Especially in 308 270 guise.

By the time the 208 GTi 30th and BPS had released the chain and pump failures had been resolved too (~2011 iirc).

Can't say I agree over the ergonomics either, they worked for me at 6ft 3, the idea being the wheel sits below the gauges.

valiant

10,234 posts

160 months

Monday 8th January
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Hasn't the engine gone through significant revisions much like it's bigger 308gti brother?

Very reliable lump if looked after if so.

Paint is marmite but you can get a normal GTi without it and it was quite an expensive option to have it.

Driving position is spot on. Seats are great and as long as you set up your position properly, the over the steering wheel works and is meant to keep the dials more in your eyeline but it's not for everyone.

Great cars in the main

Jon_S_Rally

3,407 posts

88 months

Monday 8th January
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C70R said:
I assume you've never sat behind the wheel of a 'sporty' 208 if you think they are "better" now.

You'd know if you'd sat behind the wheel, because the horror of the ergonomic mess would be obvious. A steering wheel the size of a shirt button, that lacks sufficient adjustment and obscures most of the instrument cluster is inexcusably rubbish. Tiny pedals that are so offset that you feel like you're driving a Testarossa is embarrassing in a modern car.

If you'd owned one, you'd realise that it's the same characterless engine that's shared with the contemporary Mini Cooper. They also shared the same endemic fuel pump and cam chain failures too.

Give me a 90s hot hatch over this turd any day.

Edited by C70R on Monday 8th January 09:48
I've driven loads of Peugeots over the last couple of years, and have just bought a 208 as a daily. While I found the dials a bit weird initially, and did think I would prefer a traditional layout, it was absolutely fine once I had it adjusted correctly. Maybe it's a problem for people of a certain height, but I don't even think about it anymore, and haven't even noticed it when moving back and forth between cars with a more traditional layout, which is something I do quite regularly.

As for the engines, the Prince unit was a PITA initially, but most of the issues were resolved and, let's face it, with the amount of engines using wet timing belts and the like these days, it's hardly alone in having problems.

yme402

386 posts

102 months

Monday 8th January
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Stupid paint combination, and an even more ridiculous dashboard/steering wheel. Peugeot trying far to hard to dine out on past glories sadly. They lost their mojo a long time ago, and need to accept themselves as being manufacturers of one of the many flavours of Stellantis Vans and SUVs.

Jon_S_Rally

3,407 posts

88 months

Monday 8th January
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yme402 said:
Stupid paint combination, and an even more ridiculous dashboard/steering wheel. Peugeot trying far to hard to dine out on past glories sadly. They lost their mojo a long time ago, and need to accept themselves as being manufacturers of one of the many flavours of Stellantis Vans and SUVs.
Not sure they were dining out on past glories, given the positive reception the 208 GTI 30th and 308 GTI received on launch. They were widely praised at the time.

endorium

33 posts

194 months

Monday 8th January
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You want the by peugeot sport version. Numerous reliability improvements. I love mine. Fun and interior way ahead of the equivalent ST. Lightest hot hatch of this era as well. 1050kg and 208hp is more than enough for a quick fun road car. I got an orange one, not a fan of two tone version

endorium

33 posts

194 months

Monday 8th January
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yme402 said:
Stupid paint combination, and an even more ridiculous dashboard/steering wheel. Peugeot trying far to hard to dine out on past glories sadly. They lost their mojo a long time ago, and need to accept themselves as being manufacturers of one of the many flavours of Stellantis Vans and SUVs.
Clearly havent driven one or seen you can get one colour options as well in the by peugeot sport version. They really are very fun and engaging cars.

martin12345

605 posts

89 months

Monday 8th January
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Decent car in isolation, were it not for the stupid paint job and ergonomics that didn't work for me

However, in the context of the Fiesta ST, then it was no contest when I bought one 10 years ago
Better car and cheaper. I bought a Fiesta

The only reason I could (or can) see to chose the Pug is because you want to be different
It is possible the Pug is better round a track, but I had no interest in taking my car round a track so that benefit was of no interest to me at all

On the road, the FST was a bundle of fun

asci.white

373 posts

73 months

Monday 8th January
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Saw one for the first time yesterday and in the flesh the colour combination does work. Also went like stink down a rather twisty road which did put a smile on my face.

CG2020UK

1,499 posts

40 months

Monday 8th January
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Loplop said:
C70R said:
If you'd owned one, you'd realise that it's the same characterless engine that's shared with the contemporary Mini Cooper. They also shared the same endemic fuel pump and cam chain failures too.

Give me a 90s hot hatch over this turd any day.

Edited by C70R on Monday 8th January 09:48
Characterless?

Far more characterful than anything in the current crop of hot hatches bar the 5 pot in the uberhatch Audi's.

Especially in 308 270 guise.

By the time the 208 GTi 30th and BPS had released the chain and pump failures had been resolved too (~2011 iirc).

Can't say I agree over the ergonomics either, they worked for me at 6ft 3, the idea being the wheel sits below the gauges.
Spot on mate.

Load of uninformed rubbish/bias that is just plain wrong from the above poster.

308GTI is a phenomenal car has to be the most underrated hot hatch.