RE: Peugeot 208 GTI 30th | Spotted
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nunpuncher said:
C70R said:
nunpuncher said:
It was ze German luxury brands entering the hot hatch sector (all be it the size up) that killed cars like this.
Eh?In the 208's segment, the Fiesta ST was the benchmark car. In the 308's segment, it was any one of Megane, Focus or Civic. The Peugeots had their faults, and didn't compare favourably enough against the benchmarks, which is why they only shifted about 27 of them.
Nobody was going out and shopping to pick between a 308, an A45 or an M135i.
My comment on the bigger hatches still stands. The focus ST was more or less dead by the time the 308 GTI came out, especially the BPS version. The Megane (latest version) was no longer regarded the best in its segment, the Civic was always the winner but how many 20 somethings bought one? Almost none because they were about £600pm on finance where as an M135i or an A35 (I didn't say A45 because that's next level up with RS and M so not relevant here) Could be had for around £300. So when in my day when we set our expectations realistically it was saving up or a personal loan at c8% for a 205GTi/R5T/Fiesta RS nowadays the inflation linked equivalent is an A35/M135i/R/S3 on the drip
At least this is what I witnessed recently when my mates son (23) asked for my opinion on what fast hatch to get. I said most recent Megane or I30N. He went out and financed a used A35... which drives like dog s
t compared to the Megane and i30N. But it was less per month despite costing more, it's got a Mercedes badge and has lots of purple LEDs inside bruv.Edited by nunpuncher on Monday 8th January 17:33
t", or are you being a bit melodramatic?Evo gave it 4 stars and praised the "agile chassis"... https://www.evo.co.uk/mercedes/amg-a35
I currently own both a Mk7 ST and a 208 GTi and in honesty I think the ST is the more complete car but the 208 is lot of fun and I like the fact that it's a bit unconventional in the cabin - I personally have no issue with the ergonomics and have done decent distances in comfort. The upside of the negativity is that they are dirt cheap - hence why I got a very nice low mileage one cheap as a daily hack!
looks like a bargain for such rare model, I guess in 10 years and still a good state you can get at least double that.
Followed a e36 M3 GT on bring a trailer, was curious what such would go for... yo could buy them at some point for 20-25k I believe, now some with high km say 160k/km are worth around 110k... ($/euro) I thought WTF happened :-) but also from those not many made around 300+ but still, gonn faster up ten I thought.
Followed a e36 M3 GT on bring a trailer, was curious what such would go for... yo could buy them at some point for 20-25k I believe, now some with high km say 160k/km are worth around 110k... ($/euro) I thought WTF happened :-) but also from those not many made around 300+ but still, gonn faster up ten I thought.
As a Japanese car lover I actually really liked the 30th! Especially in the corners, it felt very focused.
GibsonSG said:
I currently own both a Mk7 ST and a 208 GTi and in honesty I think the ST is the more complete car but the 208 is lot of fun and I like the fact that it's a bit unconventional in the cabin - I personally have no issue with the ergonomics and have done decent distances in comfort. The upside of the negativity is that they are dirt cheap - hence why I got a very nice low mileage one cheap as a daily hack!
Regular 208 gti can't be compared to the 30th.endorium said:
J4CKO said:
Do you mean 1150 ?
No, 1050. normal gti was 1150. by peugeot sport was lighter but they never released actual weight. I know from dyno runs where it was also weighed my peugeot sport model was 1050. Not sure where all the weight saving was from though. Seats will be some, no panaromic roof will be another. Suspension is completely different to normal gti and the wheels. Maybe a bit more thereWithout losing more kit and/or using more exotic materials, losing 100 kilos is hard to do, 968 Club Sport lost 100 kilos over a 968, that lost rear seats, wiring was lighter, seats were lighter, had a smaller battery etc.
If it had lost 100 kilos over the normal GTI, Peugeot would have been going on about it, like Porsche do.
C70R said:
The only thing I was surprised by in the 2/308 was how poor the ergonomics were. You could put all the power and chassis compliance in the world into that car (ignoring that Evo said that control weights and feedback were rubbish), and it wouldn't change the fact that the interior was designed by someone who'd only seen pictures of adult humans in a book.
Have you been in a Fiesta ST? The seats are nice, but the dash is an ugly button-fest, and was widely criticised. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of the MK7 Fiesta, it's a great car, but to dismiss the 208 is a bit silly. The BPS was very well regarded and, as many others have said, you just need to spend some time getting your seating position adjusted correctly. GeniusOfLove said:
VW are ste and have been for 20 years now, they just have an excellent marketing department and know how to get journalists on their knees with their mouths open.
At least BMWs are often great to drive even if they can be needy.
20 years? Err, what about the MK5 Golf GTI? And the MK7/7.5? They were brilliant cars. Not always the most thrilling when compared to the likes of Renault Sport, but genuinely very, very good. People have talked a lot on this thread about interior ergonomics and, in that respect, few cars can match the useability of a MK7 Golf.te and have been for 20 years now, they just have an excellent marketing department and know how to get journalists on their knees with their mouths open.At least BMWs are often great to drive even if they can be needy.
J4CKO said:
100 kilos weight loss on a hot hatch that is otherwise the same ? I am sceptical that is possible without removing more than a pan roof, that is a hell of a lot of weight to lose off an already fairly light car.
Without losing more kit and/or using more exotic materials, losing 100 kilos is hard to do, 968 Club Sport lost 100 kilos over a 968, that lost rear seats, wiring was lighter, seats were lighter, had a smaller battery etc.
If it had lost 100 kilos over the normal GTI, Peugeot would have been going on about it, like Porsche do.
I didnt just say pano roof. So pano roof, different suspension, different and lighter wheels, lighter seats, less sound deadening, lighter exhaust with one less silencer than the standard gti. Those are just the bits I know about. Pano roof will be a big one 10-15kg at least. sound deadening another 15kg, exhaust another 5-10kg. It all starts to add up fast. As i said thats just the bits I know of that are lighter than the standard gtiWithout losing more kit and/or using more exotic materials, losing 100 kilos is hard to do, 968 Club Sport lost 100 kilos over a 968, that lost rear seats, wiring was lighter, seats were lighter, had a smaller battery etc.
If it had lost 100 kilos over the normal GTI, Peugeot would have been going on about it, like Porsche do.
I've been weighing up between the ST and 208 for months, 208 is winning for two reasons; theft and interior. The 208 comes with Apple Car Play standard on 2016 cars but not on the ST. The dash looks awful on the ST too (in my opinion of course). I work away a lot and would be awake at night in cold sweats worrying whether my ST would still be there when I get home.
endorium said:
J4CKO said:
100 kilos weight loss on a hot hatch that is otherwise the same ? I am sceptical that is possible without removing more than a pan roof, that is a hell of a lot of weight to lose off an already fairly light car.
Without losing more kit and/or using more exotic materials, losing 100 kilos is hard to do, 968 Club Sport lost 100 kilos over a 968, that lost rear seats, wiring was lighter, seats were lighter, had a smaller battery etc.
If it had lost 100 kilos over the normal GTI, Peugeot would have been going on about it, like Porsche do.
I didnt just say pano roof. So pano roof, different suspension, different and lighter wheels, lighter seats, less sound deadening, lighter exhaust with one less silencer than the standard gti. Those are just the bits I know about. Pano roof will be a big one 10-15kg at least. sound deadening another 15kg, exhaust another 5-10kg. It all starts to add up fast. As i said thats just the bits I know of that are lighter than the standard gtiWithout losing more kit and/or using more exotic materials, losing 100 kilos is hard to do, 968 Club Sport lost 100 kilos over a 968, that lost rear seats, wiring was lighter, seats were lighter, had a smaller battery etc.
If it had lost 100 kilos over the normal GTI, Peugeot would have been going on about it, like Porsche do.
Shame that Ford never did a special version of the ST, there was the 200 but it was bit half hearted really, had to wait for the MK8 for an LSD to be available.
A lighter, slightly more powerful ST (maybe 230 bhp) with an LSD would have been great, as it is there is loads available to create your own.
kett said:
CG2020UK said:
Always think PH or EVO should do a track battle between the 208GTi and its rivals (then and the current crop) as I have a strong suspicion that this car will be the quickest.
Funny enough, I’m working towards this… Drezza said:
I've been weighing up between the ST and 208 for months, 208 is winning for two reasons; theft and interior. The 208 comes with Apple Car Play standard on 2016 cars but not on the ST. The dash looks awful on the ST too (in my opinion of course). I work away a lot and would be awake at night in cold sweats worrying whether my ST would still be there when I get home.
I would only be looking at the BPS or 30th editions then as personally the St is better than the standard GTI (coming From a BPS owner). Also the stereo in the post 17 cars with Android Auto and car play is far far better. I've replaced mine with the later system and it's now spot on.
Drezza said:
I've been weighing up between the ST and 208 for months, 208 is winning for two reasons; theft and interior. The 208 comes with Apple Car Play standard on 2016 cars but not on the ST. The dash looks awful on the ST too (in my opinion of course). I work away a lot and would be awake at night in cold sweats worrying whether my ST would still be there when I get home.
These are both valid points. The dash I worked around with a Tomtom.so wasn't a big'y for me The theft problem meant I lost my car after around a year and I've been reluctant to get a Mk8 FST since even though in many ways it has been the ideal car for me - it is really horrible having a car nicked off your drive - feels really "violating"
CG2020UK said:
Fantastic cars that are seriously underrated!
The facelifted cars are very reliable. The 8bhp extra isn’t noticeable but the extra torque in the engine made a huge difference.
Interior was class leading when the car was released. Even now it hasn’t really aged. Those Peugeot Sports seats are fantastic and the best in any hot hatch as standard.
Always think PH or EVO should do a track battle between the 208GTi and its rivals (then and the current crop) as I have a strong suspicion that this car will be the quickest.
Some people complain about the dash and steering wheel layout. However when you set it up correctly (look over the steering wheel not through it!) all of a sudden it’s brilliant. Suppose that is why other manufacturers have to use HUDs.
I’ve been fortunate to have owned 2x prestige models that were utterly brilliant and faultless. I’d have no qualms owning another car.
Highly recommend and one of my favourite cars in either Prestige or Peugeot Sport guise.
Are you still an owner in Ni with one? I completely forgot to come say hi and test one! The facelifted cars are very reliable. The 8bhp extra isn’t noticeable but the extra torque in the engine made a huge difference.
Interior was class leading when the car was released. Even now it hasn’t really aged. Those Peugeot Sports seats are fantastic and the best in any hot hatch as standard.
Always think PH or EVO should do a track battle between the 208GTi and its rivals (then and the current crop) as I have a strong suspicion that this car will be the quickest.
Some people complain about the dash and steering wheel layout. However when you set it up correctly (look over the steering wheel not through it!) all of a sudden it’s brilliant. Suppose that is why other manufacturers have to use HUDs.
I’ve been fortunate to have owned 2x prestige models that were utterly brilliant and faultless. I’d have no qualms owning another car.
Highly recommend and one of my favourite cars in either Prestige or Peugeot Sport guise.
CG2020UK said:
Unfortunately not, we traded it in last year and went a 330e as our first wee one was on the way.
Still an advocate for them? I need a new set of wheels to drive Antrim into Belfast so a mix of b roads and then the city to titanic quarter.
Seen a bps for around 6500, but it’s in England so quiet a way to travel!
stedaley said:
CG2020UK said:
Unfortunately not, we traded it in last year and went a 330e as our first wee one was on the way.
Still an advocate for them? I need a new set of wheels to drive Antrim into Belfast so a mix of b roads and then the city to titanic quarter.
Seen a bps for around 6500, but it’s in England so quiet a way to travel!
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