RE: Lotus Emeya finishes testing, looks great doing it
Discussion
Twoshoe said:
Om said:
Master Of Puppets said:
A 4 door Lotus. 
I'm out.
Not a Cortina fan then?I'm out.
JerryF said:
Miserablegit said:
Let’s not pretend this is a Lotus. It’s a Chinese car from a Chinese factory for the Chinese market with a lotus badge stuck on.
Totally agree!This is as much a "Lotus" as the Cayenne is a "Porsche" and will serve a similar purpose in the lineup. Slapping the Porsche badge onto a tweaked VW SUV hasn't stopped them producing proper Porsches...
Edited by kambites on Friday 9th February 10:22
J4CKO said:
You just copied that from the Fiat 500 thread, getting like that Moose bloke who just says "EV = NO".
If Lotus make it, its not contradictory, its just your nostalgic view of a car company and wonder why things cant be like the past any more.
They adapt or go the way of Rover, Saab etc, and adapting means making electric vehicles.
Folk need to get used to this, or its going to be very stressful, I mean, huge companies not doing what you want, the very nerve !
Make you right, I think its more that this one just looks S*!7If Lotus make it, its not contradictory, its just your nostalgic view of a car company and wonder why things cant be like the past any more.
They adapt or go the way of Rover, Saab etc, and adapting means making electric vehicles.
Folk need to get used to this, or its going to be very stressful, I mean, huge companies not doing what you want, the very nerve !
blueg33 said:
I am happy for sports car company to make SUV's and saloons if it helps them continue to make sports cars. The beauty of being a consumer is that no one is forcing you to buy a Lotus SUV or saloon.
Not sure the success of this will have any impact on Lotus Cars making sports cars, this is produced by Lotus Tech. Alpenus said:
A bland blob,
Aero wheels. Tick
Fancy headlights. Tick
Rear lightbar. Tick
And NO clear glass, has not made my Friday a happy one
Not entirely true, I had a quick play with the configuration and you can get shot of the privacy glass and aero wheels (though no silver colour option on the non aero wheels, I hate black alloys, so that's an extra cost to change them), the rear light bar? colour coded clip on/tacked on covering'll sort that, another serious design dislike there myself (ditto on the Halfords number going across the front as well that are appearing on numerous cars, you'd think a manufacturer'd be able to do a better job than a Max Power aficionado).Aero wheels. Tick
Fancy headlights. Tick
Rear lightbar. Tick
And NO clear glass, has not made my Friday a happy one
It's the door camera's (yes I know, aero, but I'd take the slight hit in economy for one less thing to go, expensively, wrong), lack of a proper roof, god awful interior pattern on the cloth(?) (but at least there's a choice of a light colour) and serious lack of body colour's (orange, yellow, white, black and grey) that'd put me off splashing out the no doubt very high price of entry.
alpha channel said:
It's the door camera's (yes I know, aero, but I'd take the slight hit in economy for one less thing to go, expensively, wrong)
I'm not sure a statically mounted digital camera is more likely to fail than the myriad of motors and heaters in a typical modern door mirror, and it really shouldn't be any more expensive to replace either; I bet it's cheaper to produce!Silvanus said:
blueg33 said:
I am happy for sports car company to make SUV's and saloons if it helps them continue to make sports cars. The beauty of being a consumer is that no one is forcing you to buy a Lotus SUV or saloon.
Not sure the success of this will have any impact on Lotus Cars making sports cars, this is produced by Lotus Tech. kambites said:
blueg33 said:
Brand
What these cars do, is remove the need for the sports car division to make a profit in its own right; Geely will happily run the sports car division at a small loss as long as it helps them sell more saloons and SUVs. Silvanus said:
Or, once they are shifting enough profitable cars (Lotus Tech), quietly drop Lotus Cars altogether.
Perhaps, but people said the same about Porsche when they started badge engineering VW SUVs, yet Porsche are still producing sports cars. Ultimately, in both cases, it will come down to whether the sports cars provide net value to the corporation, which isn't the same as making a profit in their own right. Edited by kambites on Friday 9th February 10:39
Miserablegit said:
Let’s not pretend this is a Lotus. It’s a Chinese car from a Chinese factory for the Chinese market with a lotus badge stuck on.
Absolutely. take off the badges, if this drove past me I'd just assume it was another kia, toyota or something mass produced in Asia and to be replaced in a years time. But, if this makes the likes of the Evija financially viable for Lotus then its not all bad.
J4CKO said:
wistec1 said:
It pains me to say yet again that for me Lotus and Electric together will never be of any interest. The concept is contradictory. Yet another brand lost to the ideology of EV.
You just copied that from the Fiat 500 thread, getting like that Moose bloke who just says "EV = NO".But who's it for? The market for large electric four door saloons and five door SUVs is already busy with new models and the number of people with £100k+ to spend (even businesses using tax breaks) is finite. Jaguar is aiming at the market when it relaunches, Maserati too as well as the established Big3 from Germany, Taycan is in a Gen2 form and will soak up Porsche loyalists and conquest some new buyers so who exactly is this for? There have to be some upcoming losers in this market and Lotus looks in prime position to be one regardless of the "what about China" justification that everyone makes about demand for luxury EVs.
Macboy said:
But who's it for? The market for large electric four door saloons and five door SUVs is already busy with new models and the number of people with £100k+ to spend (even businesses using tax breaks) is finite. Jaguar is aiming at the market when it relaunches, Maserati too as well as the established Big3 from Germany, Taycan is in a Gen2 form and will soak up Porsche loyalists and conquest some new buyers so who exactly is this for? There have to be some upcoming losers in this market and Lotus looks in prime position to be one regardless of the "what about China" justification that everyone makes about demand for luxury EVs.
This is for people who want a Porsche Taycan type car for cheaper .Looks like this will be around £30k+ less than the equivalent Taycan.dunnoreally said:
I am constantly baffled by the whole "Lotus is making money, therefore it's fine" argument. I'm not arguing that there's a business case for this blob. I'm sure it makes perfect financial sense.
I'm sad because even a brand like Lotus can't turn a profit by making cars that I would want to buy and instead we get yet more things like this.
If Slayer found they had to start making bubblegum pop in order to put food on the table, I'm not sure many metal fans would be particularly happy about it even if we understood why, from the band's perspective, it was a necessary move.
You (and I) might want to buy them, but hardly anyone else does hence the tiny sales of previous cars. You can't run a car business selling to a few enthusiasts.I'm sad because even a brand like Lotus can't turn a profit by making cars that I would want to buy and instead we get yet more things like this.
If Slayer found they had to start making bubblegum pop in order to put food on the table, I'm not sure many metal fans would be particularly happy about it even if we understood why, from the band's perspective, it was a necessary move.
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