RE: 2024 Volkswagen ID 7 vs. Hyundai Ioniq 6

[plfrench]

fantheman80 said:

plfrench said:

Contrary to popular opinion, EVs aren’t that great off the line.

Are you sure? Isn’t that their party piece? Plenty of nuts 0-60 times quoted by ev’s and while not the fast ones here, still 4wd and RWD should mean those numbers are conservative I’d say

Yes, the initial 0-10 part is disproportionately slow due to fixed gearing, this is why 0-60 doesn’t really reflect how quick they are in the real world compared to ICE. It’s a bit like pulling off the line in 2nd gear

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fantheman80 said:

plfrench said:

Contrary to popular opinion, EVs aren’t that great off the line.

Are you sure? Isn’t that their party piece? Plenty of nuts 0-60 times quoted by ev’s and while not the fast ones here, still 4wd and RWD should mean those numbers are conservative I’d say

The times of these two cars are more than adequate one would say.

[CrgT16]

Both uninspiring! The KIA is probably marmite for me is a no somehow looks like a hearse.

[fantheman80]

plfrench said:

fantheman80 said:

plfrench said:

Contrary to popular opinion, EVs aren’t that great off the line.

Are you sure? Isn’t that their party piece? Plenty of nuts 0-60 times quoted by ev’s and while not the fast ones here, still 4wd and RWD should mean those numbers are conservative I’d say

Yes, the initial 0-10 part is disproportionately slow due to fixed gearing, this is why 0-60 doesn’t really reflect how quick they are in the real world compared to ICE. It’s a bit like pulling off the line in 2nd gear

Well that just makes me feel even worse now when I get smoked by an ev Niro!

[TheInternet]

blue al said:

Vw too slow @6.5 seconds to 60 for a 50k car

Given that almost all of them will be driven as if the driver has had all the bones taken out of their right foot it seems completely irrelevant.

[Forester1965]

That Hyundai makes my eyes burn.

[Frankychops]

we should celebrate VW's consistant low quality interiors and naff finish.

a once great brand contiunes its slip off a cliff.

[soupdragon1]

theicemario said:

HardMiles said:

Literally as rough as a bear's arse! The state of them! Who is paying to own these ruddy things?

I cruised past one of the white ones on the A27 the other day and thought to myself, I can only imagine how miserable that bloke was...
(…)
STOP BUYING THEM PLEASE AND THEN THEY WON'T MAKE THEM!!!!!

This is what people are buying in case you haven’t been on a UK road in the last 20 years:


Model Ys, Qashqais, Pumas, Sportages, Tucsons. All crossover blobs.

Yet judging by the comments the average PH is outraged by a saloon/fastback that
a) doesn’t weigh the wrong side of 2 tonnes even though it’s an EV
b) will be infinitely more fun to drive than any of the above
c) doesn’t have you sit 10 feet above the road

Needless to say I quite like the IONIQ 6. Think I’ve seen about two of them which tells me everything I need to know about what people want in a car these days.

I for one think it looks ace. I’m guessing the posters above will prefer a grey/black/white Model Y to blend in with the traffic

Exactly. There is nothing wrong with enjoying a product that was designed in the previous millennium and is steeped in history and nostalgia but car manufacturers have to move with the typical consumer to stay relevant.

I mean, Volvo have stopped selling saloon cars and estate cars in the UK. No market. It's bizarre, but like it or not, if you're a minority, you won't be catered for. I've just got my Dad into a Volvo V90 as he likes Volvo estates but they're also heading to the graveyard and will be nothing more than a nostalgic nod to the past 20 years from now.

Like you say though, at least they are saloon cars, we should be sort of happy about that.

[Demonix]

300bhp in an ice compact saloon or hatch is generally quite entertaining albeit at the detriment of the environment, the same power in an EV appears to be dulled by the additional weight.These 2 ev's are discreet and pretty bland on the design front, though VW has nondescript in its DNA - just look at the Golf and Passat, Hyundai is ioniq 6 is marginally more visually appealing but not a stunner by any means. To have an efficient, slippery EV with a low drag coefficient manufacturers are embracing the smooth jelly mould shapes and character or differences between marques seems quite limited at present to my eyes.

[Firebobby]

plfrench said:

blue al said:

Back 1/3 of ioniq feels Mercedes esc
Vw too slow @6.5 seconds to 60 for a 50k car

Contrary to popular opinion, EVs aren’t that great off the line. Once rolling though, that’s entirely different. From 10mph to the legal limit this would easily keep up with something like a 530d or E350d. Real world responsiveness would be far better too. I really don’t think performance could be described as too slow for this type of car.

What!! I suggest you go to YouTube and watch any EV v ICE car if you truly believe they're not great off the line!! My lads RS etron will squash your internal organs into your spine when it does a full bore start.

[mjlloyd500]

Audi rs etron gt is knocking 150 grand so needs to be fast and special

[Black S2K]

Xenoous said:

I have never been less interested in a review than this.

I read it for educational purposes.

Charlie Brooker's really up there with Aldous Huxley & Eric Blair - this dystopia sucks!

[Seasonal Hero]

That VW looks HUGE

[Scott-R]

blue al said:

Back 1/3 of ioniq feels Mercedes esc
Vw too slow @6.5 seconds to 60 for a 50k car

Back in the day, my E39 540i was quoted as being about 6.5 seconds to 60. Felt plenty quick enough for me!

[Sion111R]

plfrench said:

fantheman80 said:

plfrench said:

Contrary to popular opinion, EVs aren’t that great off the line.

Are you sure? Isn’t that their party piece? Plenty of nuts 0-60 times quoted by ev’s and while not the fast ones here, still 4wd and RWD should mean those numbers are conservative I’d say

Yes, the initial 0-10 part is disproportionately slow due to fixed gearing, this is why 0-60 doesn’t really reflect how quick they are in the real world compared to ICE. It’s a bit like pulling off the line in 2nd gear

This doesn’t match my experiences either. I have found the EV “launch” to be far more rapid (and uncomfortable) than say my Lotus SC which is quite nippy. The instant torque hit feels like it is rearranging your innards.
The Ioniq 6 gets my vote out of this pair. But not in white which does it no favours. It looks better in the darker green they do.

[Iamnotkloot]

I can’t say that my heart soars. One looks weird, one looks dull

[plfrench]

Firebobby said:

plfrench said:

blue al said:

Back 1/3 of ioniq feels Mercedes esc
Vw too slow @6.5 seconds to 60 for a 50k car

Contrary to popular opinion, EVs aren’t that great off the line. Once rolling though, that’s entirely different. From 10mph to the legal limit this would easily keep up with something like a 530d or E350d. Real world responsiveness would be far better too. I really don’t think performance could be described as too slow for this type of car.

What!! I suggest you go to YouTube and watch any EV v ICE car if you truly believe they're not great off the line!! My lads RS etron will squash your internal organs into your spine when it does a full bore start.

Perhaps how I should have phrased it was that for a given 0-60 time, they're not as quick initially (say 0-5 or 0-10) as an ICE car. Once rolling though, they really come into their own, so 5-60 or 10-60 would be quicker. This is why in the real world they perform so much better than an on paper 0-60 apparently equivalent ICE.

Basically I'm trying to say the 0-60mph stat isn't the best measure of performance and undersells EVs unless all you're doing is traffic light drags

[cerb4.5lee]

HardMiles said:

Literally as rough as a bear's arse! The state of them! Who is paying to own these ruddy things?

I cruised past one of the white ones on the A27 the other day and thought to myself, I can only imagine how miserable that bloke was...

They make me miserable just looking at them or reading about them, so god knows how low you must feel if you're actually behind the wheel of one. Then you read the price/performance mix...and that doesn't even improve things either for me.

Some folk do seem to lap them up though, because if they didn't like them both...then nobody would buy them in the first place I reckon.

[MrTrilby]

plfrench said:

Perhaps how I should have phrased it was that for a given 0-60 time, they're not as quick initially (say 0-5 or 0-10) as an ICE car.

100% not my experience of them in the real world. Even when you think you’re pulling away gently from the lights in an EV, you look in the mirror and notice ICE cars multiple car lengths back. EV: much more accessible torque, delivered much more smoothly.

The only trick an ICE can bring to that particular party is to have it spinning at peak torque and then dump the clutch. Which is not a particularly great thing to be doing on a regular basis.

[Wills2]

plfrench said:

Firebobby said:

plfrench said:

blue al said:

Back 1/3 of ioniq feels Mercedes esc
Vw too slow @6.5 seconds to 60 for a 50k car

Contrary to popular opinion, EVs aren’t that great off the line. Once rolling though, that’s entirely different. From 10mph to the legal limit this would easily keep up with something like a 530d or E350d. Real world responsiveness would be far better too. I really don’t think performance could be described as too slow for this type of car.

What!! I suggest you go to YouTube and watch any EV v ICE car if you truly believe they're not great off the line!! My lads RS etron will squash your internal organs into your spine when it does a full bore start.

Perhaps how I should have phrased it was that for a given 0-60 time, they're not as quick initially (say 0-5 or 0-10) as an ICE car. Once rolling though, they really come into their own, so 5-60 or 10-60 would be quicker. This is why in the real world they perform so much better than an on paper 0-60 apparently equivalent ICE.

Basically I'm trying to say the 0-60mph stat isn't the best measure of performance and undersells EVs unless all you're doing is traffic light drags

But that's just not borne out by any test or drag race you see between ICE and EV quite the reverse the EVs launch better and if the run is long enough the ICE will come back at the EV at the top end (where an EV loses out to ICE).

That's why a 3 tonne Cybertruck beats a 911 Turbo S off the line but just gets pipped at the 1/4 mile in the recent throttle house test , EVs are better at launching it's a popular opinion because it's true, there are countless drag tests showing this.