RE: 2024 Volkswagen ID 7 vs. Hyundai Ioniq 6
Discussion
blue al said:
Back 1/3 of ioniq feels Mercedes esc
Vw too slow @6.5 seconds to 60 for a 50k car
Definitely don’t look at the £50k (with some options) Diesel Arteons on the VW website with 9.3 second 0-62 times. 😳 For a car driven by people who just want an appliance to travel in I think it’s plenty quick enough. Vw too slow @6.5 seconds to 60 for a 50k car
White is an odd choice for a Hyundai press car!
I saw my first Ioniq 6 in a two-tone black and silver finish. I thought it looked pretty good, and more interesting than the blobs coming out of VW factories right now. It's no Jaguar E-Type in terms of looks but it butters my parsnips. Out of the current crop of EVs, it's the one I'd probably buy.
I think that red posted above really suits the car.
I saw my first Ioniq 6 in a two-tone black and silver finish. I thought it looked pretty good, and more interesting than the blobs coming out of VW factories right now. It's no Jaguar E-Type in terms of looks but it butters my parsnips. Out of the current crop of EVs, it's the one I'd probably buy.
I think that red posted above really suits the car.
blearyeyedboy said:
White is an odd choice for a Hyundai press car!
I saw my first Ioniq 6 in a two-tone black and silver finish. I thought it looked pretty good, and more interesting than the blobs coming out of VW factories right now. It's no Jaguar E-Type in terms of looks but it butters my parsnips. Out of the current crop of EVs, it's the one I'd probably buy.
I think that red posted above really suits the car.
I didn't like the Hyundai in photos, however I have to say that it didn't look as bad to my eyes in the metal though in fairness to it. I saw my first Ioniq 6 in a two-tone black and silver finish. I thought it looked pretty good, and more interesting than the blobs coming out of VW factories right now. It's no Jaguar E-Type in terms of looks but it butters my parsnips. Out of the current crop of EVs, it's the one I'd probably buy.
I think that red posted above really suits the car.
plfrench said:
Perhaps how I should have phrased it was that for a given 0-60 time, they're not as quick initially (say 0-5 or 0-10) as an ICE car. Once rolling though, they really come into their own, so 5-60 or 10-60 would be quicker. This is why in the real world they perform so much better than an on paper 0-60 apparently equivalent ICE.
Basically I'm trying to say the 0-60mph stat isn't the best measure of performance and undersells EVs unless all you're doing is traffic light drags
Let's assume we're talking 0-5mph. You're saying a petrol car of roughly equivalent performance is faster than an EV.Basically I'm trying to say the 0-60mph stat isn't the best measure of performance and undersells EVs unless all you're doing is traffic light drags
I'm calling nonsense based on having owned one. EVs produce peak torque all the time from literally one RPM. That's why they are absolutely, categorically, unquestionably faster from 0-5mph.
Chuck some graphs up and I'll change my position, but at this point in time I'm putting it out there that I believe you're absolutely 100% wrong.
cerb4.5lee said:
They make me miserable just looking at them or reading about them, so god knows how low you must feel if you're actually behind the wheel of one. Then you read the price/performance mix...and that doesn't even improve things either for me.
Some folk do seem to lap them up though, because if they didn't like them both...then nobody would buy them in the first place I reckon.
I'm that guy, the happy one in the electric Hyundai.Some folk do seem to lap them up though, because if they didn't like them both...then nobody would buy them in the first place I reckon.
I had a Skoda Superb 280 4X4 Estate for the last few years, and as a car to do everything it was absolutely excellent. But it did everything with zero character or personality, and I've formed no attachment to it at all. In many ways, the EA888 engine and 6spd DSG was the worst part of it, it never felt that happy lugging all the weight around and liked a drink, even if you were going easy. It made a noise, but really not a nice noise.
I have an Ioniq 5 now, and it's pretty similar to the Skoda in loads of ways, except the powertrain is miles and miles ahead imo. It's smoother, quieter and more responsive, while being just as quick when it needs to be. For me, the Skoda would have been a better car if you could get it with the Hyundai's motors.
I like engines too. I've had two AMG V8 estates, and I loved the noise that my V6 Evora made. I'd like to own a flat 6, V10 and V12 at some point, preferably noisy ones. But I'm not really quite well off enough to fill the tank of a V8 for 50 miles a day, and if the choice is between an every day petrol/diesel 4 pot or electric, I'm choosing electric every time.
Baldchap said:
plfrench said:
Perhaps how I should have phrased it was that for a given 0-60 time, they're not as quick initially (say 0-5 or 0-10) as an ICE car. Once rolling though, they really come into their own, so 5-60 or 10-60 would be quicker. This is why in the real world they perform so much better than an on paper 0-60 apparently equivalent ICE.
Basically I'm trying to say the 0-60mph stat isn't the best measure of performance and undersells EVs unless all you're doing is traffic light drags
Let's assume we're talking 0-5mph. You're saying a petrol car of roughly equivalent performance is faster than an EV.Basically I'm trying to say the 0-60mph stat isn't the best measure of performance and undersells EVs unless all you're doing is traffic light drags
I'm calling nonsense based on having owned one. EVs produce peak torque all the time from literally one RPM. That's why they are absolutely, categorically, unquestionably faster from 0-5mph.
Chuck some graphs up and I'll change my position, but at this point in time I'm putting it out there that I believe you're absolutely 100% wrong.
So, initially, there is very little power available to the wheels as starting at zero, whereas an ICE is already producing power at idle. As soon as the EV starts moving, the power builds very quickly because of full torque being produced at all times. Because most EVs have a single ratio gearbox, they's compromised on acceleration vs top speed, hence my comment about it being like pulling away in second gear.
Not at all saying they're slow, and it will be far less noticeable in very high powered EVs where traction limits will be the primary limitation as soon as it turns a wheel.
There's a reason why Tesla love the 1-foot roll on figures!
I quite like the Hyundai's side profile.
Both still fail the "would I have one over a decently kept random 15-year-old supermini" test, though. Clio 1.2 is almost certainly more fun than either and also doesn't need you to turn off a bunch of obnoxious "active safety" features every time you switch it on. I'll tolerate that for something really special, but not these.
Both still fail the "would I have one over a decently kept random 15-year-old supermini" test, though. Clio 1.2 is almost certainly more fun than either and also doesn't need you to turn off a bunch of obnoxious "active safety" features every time you switch it on. I'll tolerate that for something really special, but not these.
leglessAlex said:
cerb4.5lee said:
They make me miserable just looking at them or reading about them, so god knows how low you must feel if you're actually behind the wheel of one. Then you read the price/performance mix...and that doesn't even improve things either for me.
Some folk do seem to lap them up though, because if they didn't like them both...then nobody would buy them in the first place I reckon.
I'm that guy, the happy one in the electric Hyundai.Some folk do seem to lap them up though, because if they didn't like them both...then nobody would buy them in the first place I reckon.
I had a Skoda Superb 280 4X4 Estate for the last few years, and as a car to do everything it was absolutely excellent. But it did everything with zero character or personality, and I've formed no attachment to it at all. In many ways, the EA888 engine and 6spd DSG was the worst part of it, it never felt that happy lugging all the weight around and liked a drink, even if you were going easy. It made a noise, but really not a nice noise.
I have an Ioniq 5 now, and it's pretty similar to the Skoda in loads of ways, except the powertrain is miles and miles ahead imo. It's smoother, quieter and more responsive, while being just as quick when it needs to be. For me, the Skoda would have been a better car if you could get it with the Hyundai's motors.
I like engines too. I've had two AMG V8 estates, and I loved the noise that my V6 Evora made. I'd like to own a flat 6, V10 and V12 at some point, preferably noisy ones. But I'm not really quite well off enough to fill the tank of a V8 for 50 miles a day, and if the choice is between an every day petrol/diesel 4 pot or electric, I'm choosing electric every time.
Like you I'd love to experience a V10 or a V12 one day, although if I ever actually will is another story though! I heard a Ferrari California floor it earlier today, and even though they are "only" a V8 turbo, it still put a big smile on my face for sure.
hu8742 said:
I get on to PH excited by what new article to read and I see this. Didn't read it; the Hyundai was enough to make me feel sick. Then I saw the price of both and wretched again. The amazing/depressing thing is that people are actually buying these.
I tried reading bits of it in fairness...mainly because EVs are all the rage currently. However the bottomline is that these just aren't really my type of car really, and in a similar way that I wouldn't get all that excited about a 320d/520d either for example. plfrench said:
Yes, the initial 0-10 part is disproportionately slow due to fixed gearing, this is why 0-60 doesn’t really reflect how quick they are in the real world compared to ICE. It’s a bit like pulling off the line in 2nd gear
The initial start (upto 5mph mph) is deliberately dialled back by the manufacturer. My first jag ipace used to snap from 0mph. My second one clearly had new software to prevent this. My ioniq 5 and ioniq 6 also show what power they are deliverying. From 0mph they only use about 75% and then go full 100% after about 5mph. Clearly a software design to help the mechanicals bits, tyres and traction. All cars were great by the way and the ioniq 6 looks better in the flesh. Gets lots of admirers. I’m a petrol head and have a couple of v8’s in the garage but the main family car/company car is currently the ioniq 6. Can see the appeal.Seasonal Hero said:
evojam said:
Both these cars can do no more than 115mph? is this a new EU directive?
What the point of more?
I've pretty much maxed out almost all of my performance cars over the years for example. Granted not everyone appreciates high speed like I do though, and I reckon that I'd be alive for about 10 minutes on a high performance motorbike in fairness!
I also went off Volvo almost straight away...after they started to limit their cars to only 112mph.
ETA...My manual E92 M3 did 110mph in third at 8400rpm for example, so am I just supposed to forget about the next 3 gears that it had?!
When you're paying a fair bit in fuel/tax/insurance etc on a performance car...you want to enjoy it occasionally for me.
Edited by cerb4.5lee on Saturday 17th February 17:03
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