An epidemic of insanely slow drivers
Discussion
popeyewhite said:
TBH it reads like people similar to you are the problem, not drivers who just want to zip past.
Number two forms the queue.If the car behind wants to zip past, why don't they?
Tailgating the car in front makes it harder to zip past.
I don't think they do want to zip past, I just think they're clueless and they themselves don't know what they want, nor what to do if they identify what they want.
Digby said:
I have also yet to see a single police car pull someone over for breaking a 20 mph limit in London. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but from what I hear, the police couldn't care less because they rarely stick to those limits, either.
This is my particular beef.Here in the People's Republic of the London Borough of Richmond, it's all 20mph apart from the A316 40mph average.
I have only seen 2 cameras on 20mph roads in the whole borough so why is everyone so compliant. All droning along at 17mph, terrified of overtaking cyclists.
In the good old days of 30mph, it seemed that hardly anyone stuck to the limit and the chances of being pulled over was much more prevalent.
I used to get pulled over by the police a lot, either in my car or on my motorbike. Usually just a telling off.
So why, when the chances of being caught are almost zero, is everyone driving so slowly in situations where it looks perfectly safe to put your foot down a little and actually drive.
croyde said:
Digby said:
I have also yet to see a single police car pull someone over for breaking a 20 mph limit in London. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but from what I hear, the police couldn't care less because they rarely stick to those limits, either.
This is my particular beef.Here in the People's Republic of the London Borough of Richmond, it's all 20mph apart from the A316 40mph average.
I have only seen 2 cameras on 20mph roads in the whole borough so why is everyone so compliant. All droning along at 17mph, terrified of overtaking cyclists.
In the good old days of 30mph, it seemed that hardly anyone stuck to the limit and the chances of being pulled over was much more prevalent.
I used to get pulled over by the police a lot, either in my car or on my motorbike. Usually just a telling off.
So why, when the chances of being caught are almost zero, is everyone driving so slowly in situations where it looks perfectly safe to put your foot down a little and actually drive.
I’d imagine that the reason for mass compliance is basically ‘because London’.
Drivers may have been ‘done’ in the past for one of the many traps for the unwary that lie in wait there and now just religiously stick to every rule and limit.
YorkshireStu said:
popeyewhite said:
Quite often a little 'nudge' closer, suggesting a plan to overtake will spur these snails on a bit. Drop back and their speed's increased by 10 mph 
That kind of behaviour makes me do the opposite: drive too close to my cars bumper and I'm slowly decelerating. By all means, overtake, I'll not increase my speed, I'll move further to the left to assist, but act like a dick and I'll go even slower before returning to my original speed. 
Obnoxious a
holes who think everyone must always drive at the maximum speed limits and/or think Public roads are their race-tracks deserve zero respect. If the person in front, is travelling at the posted limits, they are doing what the government, roads authorities and the traffic police deem suitable, for that section of road, for the general public.
It is those who travel much faster, or much slower than the posted limits, who represent the problem driver on that section of road.
If a person cannot drive at the posted limits, where, road, traffic and weather conditions allow, they should seriously consider whether they are suited to driving a motor vehicle on public roads with other road users. If they drove much faster, or much slower than the posted limits, on a driving test, they would rightly fail that test.
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Friday 3rd May 17:11
swisstoni said:
Whenever i drive in Richmond and attempt 20mph I often end up with a bus on my tail with different ideas!
I’d imagine that the reason for mass compliance is basically ‘because London’.
Drivers may have been ‘done’ in the past for one of the many traps for the unwary that lie in wait there and now just religiously stick to every rule and limit.
Although there's a marked difference when I drive in the rush hour in London.I’d imagine that the reason for mass compliance is basically ‘because London’.
Drivers may have been ‘done’ in the past for one of the many traps for the unwary that lie in wait there and now just religiously stick to every rule and limit.
Whenever there isn't gridlock (rare) there is an overall feeling of everyone getting on with it. Thus the odd Sunday driver/tourist that has dared to venture out at the wrong time is virtually attacked.
Like a pack of sharks around a dying turtle
I'm about to drive to work. Even though I'm in London, there's only one train an hour and it's too cold, rainy and miserable to use my motorbike so I'll be in the car.
The best I can say is that I'll be warm and dry and listening to my music. Progress will be glacial for no other reason for that nearly every other driver will be an inattentive brain dead knob
heebeegeetee said:
popeyewhite said:
TBH it reads like people similar to you are the problem, not drivers who just want to zip past.
Number two forms the queue.If the car behind wants to zip past, why don't they?
Tailgating the car in front makes it harder to zip past.
I don't think they do want to zip past, I just think they're clueless and they themselves don't know what they want, nor what to do if they identify what they want.
t thinking vehicle number two is tailgating when in truth he's just nervous. Sheesh.popeyewhite said:
heebeegeetee said:
popeyewhite said:
TBH it reads like people similar to you are the problem, not drivers who just want to zip past.
Number two forms the queue.If the car behind wants to zip past, why don't they?
Tailgating the car in front makes it harder to zip past.
I don't think they do want to zip past, I just think they're clueless and they themselves don't know what they want, nor what to do if they identify what they want.
t thinking vehicle number two is tailgating when in truth he's just nervous. Sheesh.not good on my part but on 2 occasion i have overtaken and 'forced' my way in, not when its precarious and there's oncoming traffic, just when i dont want to execute a 5 car OT...by force i mean indicate to come in and on the 2 times i have done this they have made room.
this is poor driving by me but as i say i have only ever done it when 'safe' to do so - i have a bail out in simply slowing and taking my original position again were no one willing to let me in and 'queue jump' as some idiots see it. the 2 times ive done it long clear sightlines, and i probably could have achieved a 5 car OT if i wanted, if it were not for the reason lead car has sped up due to it being a straight. of the 2 times i've done it, one let me in with no fuss, the other flashed there lights and aggressively tailgated me after letting me in. Odd as they could easily have used the opportunity to OT the dawdler causing the queue themsleves.
dawdlers are not the main issue. its those who blindly follow who are.
Also on the rise is number of people coming other way who seem to take huge offense at anyone daring to be in their lane despite a wide margin of overtaking room
Been flashed a number of times last few years for the most innocuous of overtakes with so much space , I expect the driver is genuinely outraged at what in their mind is a reckless display of driving
Been flashed a number of times last few years for the most innocuous of overtakes with so much space , I expect the driver is genuinely outraged at what in their mind is a reckless display of driving
theplayingmantis said:
popeyewhite said:
heebeegeetee said:
popeyewhite said:
TBH it reads like people similar to you are the problem, not drivers who just want to zip past.
Number two forms the queue.If the car behind wants to zip past, why don't they?
Tailgating the car in front makes it harder to zip past.
I don't think they do want to zip past, I just think they're clueless and they themselves don't know what they want, nor what to do if they identify what they want.
t thinking vehicle number two is tailgating when in truth he's just nervous. Sheesh.not good on my part but on 2 occasion i have overtaken and 'forced' my way in, not when its precarious and there's oncoming traffic, just when i dont want to execute a 5 car OT...by force i mean indicate to come in and on the 2 times i have done this they have made room.
this is poor driving by me but as i say i have only ever done it when 'safe' to do so - i have a bail out in simply slowing and taking my original position again were no one willing to let me in and 'queue jump' as some idiots see it. the 2 times ive done it long clear sightlines, and i probably could have achieved a 5 car OT if i wanted, if it were not for the reason lead car has sped up due to it being a straight. of the 2 times i've done it, one let me in with no fuss, the other flashed there lights and aggressively tailgated me after letting me in. Odd as they could easily have used the opportunity to OT the dawdler causing the queue themsleves.
dawdlers are not the main issue. its those who blindly follow who are.
Sometimes even in a fast car, it is just not possible, for people behind to get by, owing to oncoming traffic. made worse when two dawdlers are there, with the second one sitting behind the first dawdler.
If a dawdler is sitting there, at well below the posted limit, when all the vehicles in front of them have disappeared off into the distance, and there is a huge queue of other motorists built up behind them, it is blindingly obvious that the problem driver on that section of road is the dawdler.
croyde said:
The issue here is that some drivers will either become frustrated, and do something they should not, (or should not have to do) or they become so bored with crawling along, they start to lose concentration and look at the scenery or people walking down the road, or the latest offer in that shop they are passing etc.Some here, have even suggested we should all drive slowly, so that we can look at the scenery for heaven sake!
What I don't understand is the people who aggressively glue themselves to my bumper, trying to push me out of the way, and then when I pull over they just sit there crawling past a couple of mph faster. What happened to the urgency? They then continue to sit there in the outside lane holding everyone else up.
Feckin weirdos.
Feckin weirdos.
Pan Pan Pan said:
The issue here is that some drivers will either become frustrated, and do something they should not, (or should not have to do) or they become so bored with crawling along, they start to lose concentration and look at the scenery or people walking down the road, or the latest offer in that shop they are passing etc.
Some here, have even suggested we should all drive slowly, so that we can look at the scenery for heaven sake!
I’m not sure how long you have held a licence for, but the idea that you have never slowed to look at/for something, (not even a road-sign or landmark when lost?) seems downright impossible to me.Some here, have even suggested we should all drive slowly, so that we can look at the scenery for heaven sake!
dvshannow said:
Also on the rise is number of people coming other way who seem to take huge offense at anyone daring to be in their lane despite a wide margin of overtaking room
Been flashed a number of times last few years for the most innocuous of overtakes with so much space , I expect the driver is genuinely outraged at what in their mind is a reckless display of driving
5 times this week. To be fair, it's difficult to judge speed and distance, but if you have time to flash multiple times, even after I'm back on my side of the road, it's possible that there was plenty of space and time, so fBeen flashed a number of times last few years for the most innocuous of overtakes with so much space , I expect the driver is genuinely outraged at what in their mind is a reckless display of driving
k off. Foss62 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
The issue here is that some drivers will either become frustrated, and do something they should not, (or should not have to do) or they become so bored with crawling along, they start to lose concentration and look at the scenery or people walking down the road, or the latest offer in that shop they are passing etc.
Some here, have even suggested we should all drive slowly, so that we can look at the scenery for heaven sake!
I’m not sure how long you have held a licence for, but the idea that you have never slowed to look at/for something, (not even a road-sign or landmark when lost?) seems downright impossible to me.Some here, have even suggested we should all drive slowly, so that we can look at the scenery for heaven sake!
Slowing down to look at the scenery is OK, if you are on a section of road on your own, (You could even start going backwards if you wanted to!) But doing that, when there is large queue of other road users directly behind you is unacceptable.
Pit Pony said:
dvshannow said:
Also on the rise is number of people coming other way who seem to take huge offense at anyone daring to be in their lane despite a wide margin of overtaking room
Been flashed a number of times last few years for the most innocuous of overtakes with so much space , I expect the driver is genuinely outraged at what in their mind is a reckless display of driving
5 times this week. To be fair, it's difficult to judge speed and distance, but if you have time to flash multiple times, even after I'm back on my side of the road, it's possible that there was plenty of space and time, so fBeen flashed a number of times last few years for the most innocuous of overtakes with so much space , I expect the driver is genuinely outraged at what in their mind is a reckless display of driving
k off. 
Mr Tidy said:
Pit Pony said:
dvshannow said:
Also on the rise is number of people coming other way who seem to take huge offense at anyone daring to be in their lane despite a wide margin of overtaking room
Been flashed a number of times last few years for the most innocuous of overtakes with so much space , I expect the driver is genuinely outraged at what in their mind is a reckless display of driving
5 times this week. To be fair, it's difficult to judge speed and distance, but if you have time to flash multiple times, even after I'm back on my side of the road, it's possible that there was plenty of space and time, so fBeen flashed a number of times last few years for the most innocuous of overtakes with so much space , I expect the driver is genuinely outraged at what in their mind is a reckless display of driving
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