An epidemic of insanely slow drivers
Discussion
CambsBill said:
The Wookie said:
Hoofy said:
The Selfish Gene said:
clearly worried about range
I've heard about this before. Does the speed really affect the range that badly? Surely if it's at a point where you can't do a safe speed on a motorway then that's not right. It can't be legal to not be able to drive appropriately because of something that restricts your ability to drive. I hear the i3 REX will reduce the speed to 30mph when you're in the final 5-10% of your battery. Imagine that happens on the motorway.Perhaps people are scared of using fast chargers and try and drag every last mile out of the range.
My average fuel.consumption, went down to 10 mpg, and once on the motorway with cruise stuck on at 70 mph, gradually went up to 28 mpg
I found the most economical was about 50 mph through the road works, when it would be showing an instantaneous mpg of 45 mpg.
I'm sure it's the fine line between getting over the inertia of actually getting moving and not increasing wind drag, which is exponential. Less than 40 mph would not achieve more due to the car wanting to drop down to 3rd, and above 70 mph, the drag started to pull the mpg right down. 80 mph it would show a 30 mpg instantaneous reading.
Noticed this when driving on Sunday.
Driving down a B road with a signposted limit of 40mph (which used to be NSL about 10-15 years ago).
Someone was driving at 20-25mph for no obvious reason whatsoever (very low traffic levels).
I’m based in Wales so I don’t know if the driver assumed all roads are 20 but the 40 mph repeater signs on the side of the road quite clearly indicated otherwise.
Driving down a B road with a signposted limit of 40mph (which used to be NSL about 10-15 years ago).
Someone was driving at 20-25mph for no obvious reason whatsoever (very low traffic levels).
I’m based in Wales so I don’t know if the driver assumed all roads are 20 but the 40 mph repeater signs on the side of the road quite clearly indicated otherwise.
Driving through mid-Wales on the way back from the coast yesterday. Stuck behind an articulated lorry doing 30-35mph (60mph road), fair enough its a big lorry on a narrow road. The queue went lorry, a Skoda Octavia, me and then about 10 cars behind me. After a few straights it became clear the Octavia wasn't going to overtake so on the next straight I overtook the Octavia and the lorry, and 3 cars behind me all had the same idea as well!
Do these people have no where else to be? They'd rather crawl along staring at the back of a lorry?
The straight was long and clear enough for 4 cars to overtake a lorry and a car, yet I'm sure I was a "maniac" for doing it
As the for Welsh 20mph limit...
Do these people have no where else to be? They'd rather crawl along staring at the back of a lorry?
The straight was long and clear enough for 4 cars to overtake a lorry and a car, yet I'm sure I was a "maniac" for doing it
As the for Welsh 20mph limit...
Since going on my first SAC a few months ago, I have been trying to be a good boy, particularly on motorways.
But by Jove, driving at or just below the limit can be a frustrating experience! Driving home on the A1 last night, fairly quiet, cruise set at 70, so many times I'd catch up with someone doing 60 ish (almost always glued to the middle lane, naturally), I'd head over to lane 3 to overtake, and they'd increase their speed to either match mine or faster. It's so bloody infuriating. If you lower your speed to just drop back behind them again, you know you'll just repeat the exercise again in a few minutes. You also sometimes have someone following you by this point and you look like a right tit if you then pull back in having occupied the outside lane for no reason. You can of course accelerate past them (which is inevitably what I end up doing) but that is of course breaking the limit and you also inevitably then get re-passed by them again now that they have woken up and then they'll be back down to 60 a mile or two later. It's so infuriating. Sorry, I just fancied a rant.
But by Jove, driving at or just below the limit can be a frustrating experience! Driving home on the A1 last night, fairly quiet, cruise set at 70, so many times I'd catch up with someone doing 60 ish (almost always glued to the middle lane, naturally), I'd head over to lane 3 to overtake, and they'd increase their speed to either match mine or faster. It's so bloody infuriating. If you lower your speed to just drop back behind them again, you know you'll just repeat the exercise again in a few minutes. You also sometimes have someone following you by this point and you look like a right tit if you then pull back in having occupied the outside lane for no reason. You can of course accelerate past them (which is inevitably what I end up doing) but that is of course breaking the limit and you also inevitably then get re-passed by them again now that they have woken up and then they'll be back down to 60 a mile or two later. It's so infuriating. Sorry, I just fancied a rant.
Gad-Westy said:
Since going on my first SAC a few months ago, I have been trying to be a good boy, particularly on motorways.
But by Jove, driving at or just below the limit can be a frustrating experience! Driving home on the A1 last night, fairly quiet, cruise set at 70, so many times I'd catch up with someone doing 60 ish (almost always glued to the middle lane, naturally), I'd head over to lane 3 to overtake, and they'd increase their speed to either match mine or faster. It's so bloody infuriating. If you lower your speed to just drop back behind them again, you know you'll just repeat the exercise again in a few minutes.
Cruise set to 70? According to what? If you're setting it according to your speedometer, then you're probably really only doing 66-67mph. Set it to 74mph and then you'll be doing a real 70-71mph. Then when overtaking dawdling numpties in lane two, an extra burst of speed will get you past and then you likely won't get overtaken again even when you drop back down to 70/71.But by Jove, driving at or just below the limit can be a frustrating experience! Driving home on the A1 last night, fairly quiet, cruise set at 70, so many times I'd catch up with someone doing 60 ish (almost always glued to the middle lane, naturally), I'd head over to lane 3 to overtake, and they'd increase their speed to either match mine or faster. It's so bloody infuriating. If you lower your speed to just drop back behind them again, you know you'll just repeat the exercise again in a few minutes.
Gad-Westy said:
Since going on my first SAC a few months ago, I have been trying to be a good boy, particularly on motorways.
But by Jove, driving at or just below the limit can be a frustrating experience! Driving home on the A1 last night, fairly quiet, cruise set at 70, so many times I'd catch up with someone doing 60 ish (almost always glued to the middle lane, naturally), I'd head over to lane 3 to overtake, and they'd increase their speed to either match mine or faster. It's so bloody infuriating. If you lower your speed to just drop back behind them again, you know you'll just repeat the exercise again in a few minutes. You also sometimes have someone following you by this point and you look like a right tit if you then pull back in having occupied the outside lane for no reason. You can of course accelerate past them (which is inevitably what I end up doing) but that is of course breaking the limit and you also inevitably then get re-passed by them again now that they have woken up and then they'll be back down to 60 a mile or two later. It's so infuriating. Sorry, I just fancied a rant.
Exactly my experience. Was doing a daily commute on M4 Smart and M25. Tried to be a good boy, but sometimes you just have to out some space between yourself and these fBut by Jove, driving at or just below the limit can be a frustrating experience! Driving home on the A1 last night, fairly quiet, cruise set at 70, so many times I'd catch up with someone doing 60 ish (almost always glued to the middle lane, naturally), I'd head over to lane 3 to overtake, and they'd increase their speed to either match mine or faster. It's so bloody infuriating. If you lower your speed to just drop back behind them again, you know you'll just repeat the exercise again in a few minutes. You also sometimes have someone following you by this point and you look like a right tit if you then pull back in having occupied the outside lane for no reason. You can of course accelerate past them (which is inevitably what I end up doing) but that is of course breaking the limit and you also inevitably then get re-passed by them again now that they have woken up and then they'll be back down to 60 a mile or two later. It's so infuriating. Sorry, I just fancied a rant.
k wits.Gad-Westy said:
Since going on my first SAC a few months ago, I have been trying to be a good boy, particularly on motorways.
But by Jove, driving at or just below the limit can be a frustrating experience! Driving home on the A1 last night, fairly quiet, cruise set at 70, so many times I'd catch up with someone doing 60 ish (almost always glued to the middle lane, naturally), I'd head over to lane 3 to overtake, and they'd increase their speed to either match mine or faster. It's so bloody infuriating. If you lower your speed to just drop back behind them again, you know you'll just repeat the exercise again in a few minutes. You also sometimes have someone following you by this point and you look like a right tit if you then pull back in having occupied the outside lane for no reason. You can of course accelerate past them (which is inevitably what I end up doing) but that is of course breaking the limit and you also inevitably then get re-passed by them again now that they have woken up and then they'll be back down to 60 a mile or two later. It's so infuriating. Sorry, I just fancied a rant.
Infuriating isn't it.But by Jove, driving at or just below the limit can be a frustrating experience! Driving home on the A1 last night, fairly quiet, cruise set at 70, so many times I'd catch up with someone doing 60 ish (almost always glued to the middle lane, naturally), I'd head over to lane 3 to overtake, and they'd increase their speed to either match mine or faster. It's so bloody infuriating. If you lower your speed to just drop back behind them again, you know you'll just repeat the exercise again in a few minutes. You also sometimes have someone following you by this point and you look like a right tit if you then pull back in having occupied the outside lane for no reason. You can of course accelerate past them (which is inevitably what I end up doing) but that is of course breaking the limit and you also inevitably then get re-passed by them again now that they have woken up and then they'll be back down to 60 a mile or two later. It's so infuriating. Sorry, I just fancied a rant.
The M40 is chronic for it, to the point where you end up with empty stretches punctuated with clusters of congestion where the muppets are clearly spending the entire length of the motorway orbiting eachother as they mindlessly speed up/overtake/slow down/get passed/speed up/etc.
LunarOne said:
Gad-Westy said:
Since going on my first SAC a few months ago, I have been trying to be a good boy, particularly on motorways.
But by Jove, driving at or just below the limit can be a frustrating experience! Driving home on the A1 last night, fairly quiet, cruise set at 70, so many times I'd catch up with someone doing 60 ish (almost always glued to the middle lane, naturally), I'd head over to lane 3 to overtake, and they'd increase their speed to either match mine or faster. It's so bloody infuriating. If you lower your speed to just drop back behind them again, you know you'll just repeat the exercise again in a few minutes.
Cruise set to 70? According to what? If you're setting it according to your speedometer, then you're probably really only doing 66-67mph. Set it to 74mph and then you'll be doing a real 70-71mph. Then when overtaking dawdling numpties in lane two, an extra burst of speed will get you past and then you likely won't get overtaken again even when you drop back down to 70/71.But by Jove, driving at or just below the limit can be a frustrating experience! Driving home on the A1 last night, fairly quiet, cruise set at 70, so many times I'd catch up with someone doing 60 ish (almost always glued to the middle lane, naturally), I'd head over to lane 3 to overtake, and they'd increase their speed to either match mine or faster. It's so bloody infuriating. If you lower your speed to just drop back behind them again, you know you'll just repeat the exercise again in a few minutes.
Edited by Gad-Westy on Tuesday 26th March 11:53
Had a 'new one' this morning, followed this bright yellow 24 plate Volvo 'mini' EV at about 30 mph along a 60mph road towards the M20 for about 4 miles.
As we approach the slip road onto the M20 I pull out (two lanes on the slip road) to over take, as the last thing I want is to enter a motorway at 30mph!
The EV Volvo then rockets off like Volvo's do so that I couldn't over take him, and moves onto the motorway.
At which point reverts to type and proceeds to do about 50mph!
Whilst I move out to the third lane a breeze past.
All I ask is why why why why why do some people drive like this???????
Is it an EV thing?
As we approach the slip road onto the M20 I pull out (two lanes on the slip road) to over take, as the last thing I want is to enter a motorway at 30mph!
The EV Volvo then rockets off like Volvo's do so that I couldn't over take him, and moves onto the motorway.
At which point reverts to type and proceeds to do about 50mph!
Whilst I move out to the third lane a breeze past.
All I ask is why why why why why do some people drive like this???????
Is it an EV thing?
Zarco said:
Exactly my experience. Was doing a daily commute on M4 Smart and M25. Tried to be a good boy, but sometimes you just have to out some space between yourself and these fk wits.
k wits.The Wookie said:
Infuriating isn't it.
The M40 is chronic for it, to the point where you end up with empty stretches punctuated with clusters of congestion where the muppets are clearly spending the entire length of the motorway orbiting eachother as they mindlessly speed up/overtake/slow down/get passed/speed up/etc.
Well it won't fix anything, but I'm glad I'm not alone The M40 is chronic for it, to the point where you end up with empty stretches punctuated with clusters of congestion where the muppets are clearly spending the entire length of the motorway orbiting eachother as they mindlessly speed up/overtake/slow down/get passed/speed up/etc.
Gad-Westy said:
Well it won't fix anything, but I'm glad I'm not alone
Same. I'm glad its acknowledged that the M40 has this problem. I value it greatly as my fast route down to the SE from the Midlands, without any gantry based cameras / smart motorway / variable speedlimits. I know the vans are a risk in daylight. But the MLMuppetry on the Southern half is terrible. I think a lot of people just see it as an extension of the urban A40 and don't wake up until they at Bicester or thereabouts.T_S_M said:
Driving through mid-Wales on the way back from the coast yesterday. Stuck behind an articulated lorry doing 30-35mph (60mph road), fair enough its a big lorry on a narrow road. The queue went lorry, a Skoda Octavia, me and then about 10 cars behind me. After a few straights it became clear the Octavia wasn't going to overtake so on the next straight I overtook the Octavia and the lorry, and 3 cars behind me all had the same idea as well!
Do these people have no where else to be? They'd rather crawl along staring at the back of a lorry?
The straight was long and clear enough for 4 cars to overtake a lorry and a car, yet I'm sure I was a "maniac" for doing it
As the for Welsh 20mph limit...
A while back I was in a queue of traffic in Wales stuck behind a woman in a car travelling well under the speed limit, well under 40 in a 60, down to 36 at one point, as she passed empty layby after layby into which she could easily pulled.Do these people have no where else to be? They'd rather crawl along staring at the back of a lorry?
The straight was long and clear enough for 4 cars to overtake a lorry and a car, yet I'm sure I was a "maniac" for doing it
As the for Welsh 20mph limit...
Over time the cars in front overtook which meant me next, except I'm in a campervan (panel van type) albeit with a 3 litre 180 brake engine.
Eventually a lovely long straight appears but of course there is on coming traffic, nevertheless a golden overtaking opportunity develops, and I fly past her with ample space and time for a good few to follow and overtake me even, and ...
nobody does, nobody follows me at all, I even remarked to wife, and watched until I rounded a bend. Nobody else overtook that woman and one has to assume they're happy sitting nose-to-tail at more than 20mph under the limit.
Only in Britain, say I.
bigothunter said:
M4cruiser said:
Speed does affect the range quite badly, yes. Just the same as a petrol car, it will take more power to cruise at 70 than 60, (possibly because of more drag from air and tyres) so uses more "fuel". The Leaf (mk1) had a top speed of about 85 I think, but more to the point is that at maximum speed it's using maximum power (80kw) so will deplete a 24 Kwh battery in about 20 minutes (25 miles).
Your power figures are way out. A Leaf needs around 30kW to maintain 85mph.I encountered a future subject of this thread last week- a Honda Jazz (of course) on L-plates (of course) being driven at approximately 13mph in a 30mph. It's also worth mentioning that although this is a 30mph there's nothing but grass verges, it's incredibly well sighted and I use the road regularly so know that the only traffic is the occasional dog-walker and people visiting the job site at the end.
I pulled out of a t-junction just behind him and after 30 seconds or so of trying to work out what he's doing, I overtook him- very cautiously and very slowly... at which point he started honking at me and gave me a death stare as we drew level. Worst thing was it was a middle-aged bloke who didn't look like your stereotypical learner material, and he had a passenger who I didn't spot- God forbid he's teaching someone else to drive...
I pulled out of a t-junction just behind him and after 30 seconds or so of trying to work out what he's doing, I overtook him- very cautiously and very slowly... at which point he started honking at me and gave me a death stare as we drew level. Worst thing was it was a middle-aged bloke who didn't look like your stereotypical learner material, and he had a passenger who I didn't spot- God forbid he's teaching someone else to drive...
Had a 24 plate Yaris PHEV loan car today.
On many NSL roads the car kept flashing the limit was only 40, as soon as you exceed this the car starts making an ocassional beep.
There's probably a way to disable it but it's at least handy in the 30mph areas so suspect many won't.
Unfortunately seems a large part of the issue stems from most not understanding what NSL means, they just drive slow to be 'safe'.
A pain but 40 in a 60 & then the same car doing 40 in a 30 is 10x more frustrating.
On many NSL roads the car kept flashing the limit was only 40, as soon as you exceed this the car starts making an ocassional beep.
There's probably a way to disable it but it's at least handy in the 30mph areas so suspect many won't.
Unfortunately seems a large part of the issue stems from most not understanding what NSL means, they just drive slow to be 'safe'.
A pain but 40 in a 60 & then the same car doing 40 in a 30 is 10x more frustrating.
Unreal said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
One of the reasons tailgaters exist, is because some cannot drive at the posted limits, and they unnecessarily hold up others who legally want to travel at the posted limits.
The main reason for using any vehicle from a skateboard to an SST, is to get from one place, to another quicker than is possible by walking. Otherwise there would be no point in inventing, building, having, and using motorized vehicles.
If the person in front, is doing the posted limit, then they are doing all that can be expected from them, and they should not be tailgated into going faster (Getting done for exceeding a posted limit, if that is what a driver wanted to do, is one thing, but getting done for exceeding a posted limit, because the person behind tailgated you into exceeding the limit is as about as daft as it gets).
If a person is not able to cope with driving at the posted limits, they should perhaps consider whether they are suited to driving any motorized vehicle on public roads at all. Certainly they would fail a driving test, if they did this during the test, which technically means they are fit to be allowed on public roads.
The sad thing is that if everyone stuck to the limits, (Low though they are) good cross country progress can still be made.
The reason some feel the need to speed, is to compensate timewise, for the negative effects on journey times, caused by the dawdlers they meet on the roads
I can't say I've noticed a correlation between tailgaters and people driving below the limit.The main reason for using any vehicle from a skateboard to an SST, is to get from one place, to another quicker than is possible by walking. Otherwise there would be no point in inventing, building, having, and using motorized vehicles.
If the person in front, is doing the posted limit, then they are doing all that can be expected from them, and they should not be tailgated into going faster (Getting done for exceeding a posted limit, if that is what a driver wanted to do, is one thing, but getting done for exceeding a posted limit, because the person behind tailgated you into exceeding the limit is as about as daft as it gets).
If a person is not able to cope with driving at the posted limits, they should perhaps consider whether they are suited to driving any motorized vehicle on public roads at all. Certainly they would fail a driving test, if they did this during the test, which technically means they are fit to be allowed on public roads.
The sad thing is that if everyone stuck to the limits, (Low though they are) good cross country progress can still be made.
The reason some feel the need to speed, is to compensate timewise, for the negative effects on journey times, caused by the dawdlers they meet on the roads
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Monday 25th March 15:08
Tailgating is endemic at almost any speed.
If however, they are travelling at well below a posted limit, they can hardly be surprised if `some' others coming up behind them get a little close. (Possibly in the belief, that the person dawdling in front of them, is driving without due care and attention, and has not seen them yet, because they not been using their mirrors properly?)
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