RE: New Mercedes-AMG GT 43 arrives with 421hp

[British Beef]

Krikkit said:

Realistically this will be well over £100k, you'd have to be off your rocker to buy a 4-pot for that money. Shame they don't offer the straight-6 instead

100% with you.

If you dont want your sports car to sound great, but just go fast, buy an electric car. If I was spending £100k on sports can I effeminately want engine that sounds the part, alternatively save £30k+ and get Lotus Emira with similar engine / gearbox (I would still go for the V6 every day of the week).

[big_rob_sydney]

British Beef said:

Krikkit said:

Realistically this will be well over £100k, you'd have to be off your rocker to buy a 4-pot for that money. Shame they don't offer the straight-6 instead

100% with you.

If you dont want your sports car to sound great, but just go fast, buy an electric car. If I was spending £100k on sports can I effeminately want engine that sounds the part, alternatively save £30k+ and get Lotus Emira with similar engine / gearbox (I would still go for the V6 every day of the week).

"I effeminately want engine that sounds the part"... hmm

[Wills2]

Kerniki said:

No longer an AMG built car.

Now built at Mercedes Bremen, hence the weight gain I guess..

AMGs were always heavy and everything has got heavier so it just follows that trend.

[AmyRichardson]

cerb4.5lee said:

I never understood the 4 cylinder Jag F-Type when you could buy a 6 or a 8 cylinder one instead. However I still see quite a few 4 cylinder ones about though. So I think that if you're not "into" engines, and you just want a sexy looking car, then these could make sense to some folk I reckon. Just not me personally.

That makes sense, especially in regards to the SL; I suspect the vast majority of sales are to people who want something swanky looking with the right badge; the quantity of some reciprocating parts they can't identify and don't understand - that doesn't enter the equation.

Modern petrol engines are so unobtrusive at low-mid loads, and torquey enough that they don't have to rev unless you're on it, that the refinement issue isn't meaningfully there unless you're an enthusiast-connoisseur.

Yes, a 4-pot in performance, range-topping Mercedes has all my "what a premium product ought to be" prejudices triggered to 11/10. But that's our echo chamber, not the market.

[TheJimi]

Midgster said:

If someone said this was the 2025 Porsche 911, you wouldn't argue against it

I would - that hatch for a kick off, and the overall profile of the rear, especially the lack of vents, doesn't scream 911 to me.

The rear quarter windows definitely do, however.

Edited by TheJimi on Thursday 21st March 12:11

[Kerniki]

Wills2 said:

Kerniki said:

No longer an AMG built car.

Now built at Mercedes Bremen, hence the weight gain I guess..

AMGs were always heavy and everything has got heavier so it just follows that trend.

Not really, theyve only built two cars, sls was 1600kg & the gt was about the same.

Not light vs mclaren, ferrari etc but vs this latest offering from mercedes AMGs cars were 3 or 400kg lighter

[Wills2]

Kerniki said:

Wills2 said:

Kerniki said:

No longer an AMG built car.

Now built at Mercedes Bremen, hence the weight gain I guess..

AMGs were always heavy and everything has got heavier so it just follows that trend.

Not really, theyve only built two cars, sls was 1600kg & the gt was about the same.

Not light vs mclaren, ferrari etc but vs this latest offering from mercedes AMGs cars were 3 or 400kg lighter

SLS weighed 1695kg (EU) so was no lightweight only about 60kg lighter than a G11 7 series so yes actually, but it wasn't built to be feather weight either, it's not an attack to say they were not light.

[Sandpit Steve]

Wills2 said:

SLS weighed 1695kg (EU) so was no lightweight only about 60kg lighter than a G11 7 series so yes actually, but it wasn't built to be feather weight either, it's not an attack to say they were not light.

If the weight was the cost of the noise it made, then I’ll take the weight. Especially in ‘F1 Safety Car” trim, with no cats and very basic silencers!

It was pretty nimble when I had a go in one back in the day, wasn’t supposed to be raced against a McLaren 12C or 458.

[leef44]

Wills2 said:

SLS weighed 1695kg (EU) so was no lightweight only about 60kg lighter than a G11 7 series so yes actually, but it wasn't built to be feather weight either, it's not an attack to say they were not light.

This is the thing for me. This is no lightweight. It's a big fat bruiser so the big fat V8 suits the character of the car.

If I wanted a lightweight nimble sports car then I'd get an MX5 or an Alpine.

[Kerniki]

Wills2 said:

Kerniki said:

Wills2 said:

Kerniki said:

No longer an AMG built car.

Now built at Mercedes Bremen, hence the weight gain I guess..

AMGs were always heavy and everything has got heavier so it just follows that trend.

Not really, theyve only built two cars, sls was 1600kg & the gt was about the same.

Not light vs mclaren, ferrari etc but vs this latest offering from mercedes AMGs cars were 3 or 400kg lighter

SLS weighed 1695kg (EU) so was no lightweight only about 60kg lighter than a G11 7 series so yes actually, but it wasn't built to be feather weight either, it's not an attack to say they were not light.

Didn’t take it as an attack my friend

just that you were incorrect as the majority of Mercedes cars that wear the AMG badge are far heavier, which is what i was saying, I said it was no lightweight but also nothing like as heavy is this new car, 300kg difference to the previous model, that’s a lot of extra kg


There’s about 150kg difference between my 720 & GTC and it’s very noticeable, you drive two cars with 300kg between them at this weight point and the difference will be massive, the mk1 AMG GTR posted some very respectable lap times, this new new car won’t be capable of that, it’s now moved more into tourer category, which will suit some I guess, probably rides better for the extra weight

Edited by Kerniki on Thursday 21st March 14:45

[GeniusOfLove]

I think the AMG "brand" is completely devalued and meaningless anyway isn't it? The days when the name conjured images of SL55s that sounded like fighter planes and 600bhp S classes with a fridge in the back keeping supercars honest are long gone, it now brings to mind endless cheap cars with vinyl seats, little engines, brittle 20" wheels, and tasteless body kits festooned with half a dozen AMG badges.

I find the brand cringey now, which is a remarkable change from 20 years ago when anything with an AMG badge on it was assured to be something special and worth crossing the car park to have a look at, especially when it was a bit weird like the SLK32. Now 99.999% of the time it's just a (many, many badged) trim level on a very boring car. Ford did exactly the same thing when they bought Ghia and now that badge is just a punchline, a somewhat appropriate comparison given where Mercedes-Benz themselves now sit.

At least when there were still a handful of cars that you could get excited about wearing the badge there was a veneer of credibility but with this generation of cars I think it's safe to say that's gone too.

Edited by GeniusOfLove on Thursday 21st March 15:11

[biggbn]

leef44 said:

Wills2 said:

SLS weighed 1695kg (EU) so was no lightweight only about 60kg lighter than a G11 7 series so yes actually, but it wasn't built to be feather weight either, it's not an attack to say they were not light.

This is the thing for me. This is no lightweight. It's a big fat bruiser so the big fat V8 suits the character of the car.

If I wanted a lightweight nimble sports car then I'd get an MX5 or an Alpine.

Isn't this car meant to be a 911 competitor? If so, it's surely not a big fat bruiser? I've always thought of these as the sportiness of the mercs on offer, or am I confusing them with another car (quite possible given my minimal knowledge!)

With regards weight, someone else posted this was many KG LIGHTER with the four pot and rwd set up?

[E90_M3Ross]

biggbn said:

leef44 said:

Wills2 said:

SLS weighed 1695kg (EU) so was no lightweight only about 60kg lighter than a G11 7 series so yes actually, but it wasn't built to be feather weight either, it's not an attack to say they were not light.

This is the thing for me. This is no lightweight. It's a big fat bruiser so the big fat V8 suits the character of the car.

If I wanted a lightweight nimble sports car then I'd get an MX5 or an Alpine.

Isn't this car meant to be a 911 competitor? If so, it's surely not a big fat bruiser? I've always thought of these as the sportiness of the mercs on offer, or am I confusing them with another car (quite possible given my minimal knowledge!)

With regards weight, someone else posted this was many KG LIGHTER with the four pot and rwd set up?

I wonder how much 4WD adds? Probably a good 100kgs? Obviously where the V8 has a lot more power it'll have heavier brakes, beefier suspension etc.

[thejaywills]

surely this is the sports car that no one asked for.

I've never been a big mercedes fan, but am convinced they've lost the plot. At any rate it makes me grateful for brands that aren't selling out their flag ship models.

[biggbn]

E90_M3Ross said:

biggbn said:

leef44 said:

Wills2 said:

SLS weighed 1695kg (EU) so was no lightweight only about 60kg lighter than a G11 7 series so yes actually, but it wasn't built to be feather weight either, it's not an attack to say they were not light.

This is the thing for me. This is no lightweight. It's a big fat bruiser so the big fat V8 suits the character of the car.

If I wanted a lightweight nimble sports car then I'd get an MX5 or an Alpine.

Isn't this car meant to be a 911 competitor? If so, it's surely not a big fat bruiser? I've always thought of these as the sportiness of the mercs on offer, or am I confusing them with another car (quite possible given my minimal knowledge!)

With regards weight, someone else posted this was many KG LIGHTER with the four pot and rwd set up?

I wonder how much 4WD adds? Probably a good 100kgs? Obviously where the V8 has a lot more power it'll have heavier brakes, beefier suspension etc.

Reading elsewhere the big engined ones we get are 1970kg!!! Wow, I can see why some are referring to it as a fat bruiser.

[E90_M3Ross]

biggbn said:

E90_M3Ross said:

biggbn said:

leef44 said:

Wills2 said:

SLS weighed 1695kg (EU) so was no lightweight only about 60kg lighter than a G11 7 series so yes actually, but it wasn't built to be feather weight either, it's not an attack to say they were not light.

This is the thing for me. This is no lightweight. It's a big fat bruiser so the big fat V8 suits the character of the car.

If I wanted a lightweight nimble sports car then I'd get an MX5 or an Alpine.

Isn't this car meant to be a 911 competitor? If so, it's surely not a big fat bruiser? I've always thought of these as the sportiness of the mercs on offer, or am I confusing them with another car (quite possible given my minimal knowledge!)

With regards weight, someone else posted this was many KG LIGHTER with the four pot and rwd set up?

I wonder how much 4WD adds? Probably a good 100kgs? Obviously where the V8 has a lot more power it'll have heavier brakes, beefier suspension etc.

Reading elsewhere the big engined ones we get are 1970kg!!! Wow, I can see why some are referring to it as a fat bruiser.

Even if it is around 200kgs lighter (that's the SL) with no 4wd this is far from a lightweight for a 2 seater with a 4 pot!

[CraigyMc]

mrclav said:

D4rez said:

ZX10R NIN said:

No one is going to pay that money for a four pot GT, when you can get alternatives with proper engines in them.

True enough… for now

Live in Singapore, or Belgium for example, then say that.

For reference - to own a new Toyota Camry hybrid in Singapore now costs £151k. Yes, you read that right.

https://news.sky.com/story/drivers-in-singapore-no...

The average salary in Singapore is twice what it is here, so if you want to translate that for UK proportionally, the car would be in the region of £75K. Still bonkers but not 5x UK full time typical earnings bonkers.

[AmyRichardson]

CraigyMc said:

The average salary in Singapore is twice what it is here, so if you want to translate that for UK proportionally, the car would be in the region of £75K. Still bonkers but not 5x UK full time typical earnings bonkers.

Singapore tracks London very closely, slightly higher average salary offset by a slightly higher costs
of living; how would the average London bod feel about paying £150k for a very pedestrian car?

[CraigyMc]

AmyRichardson said:

CraigyMc said:

The average salary in Singapore is twice what it is here, so if you want to translate that for UK proportionally, the car would be in the region of £75K. Still bonkers but not 5x UK full time typical earnings bonkers.

Singapore tracks London very closely, slightly higher average salary offset by a slightly higher costs
of living; how would the average London bod feel about paying £150k for a very pedestrian car?

Maybe about the same as they would, having to spend £30K on a single garage spot. Oh.

[biggbn]

E90_M3Ross said:

biggbn said:

E90_M3Ross said:

biggbn said:

leef44 said:

Wills2 said:

SLS weighed 1695kg (EU) so was no lightweight only about 60kg lighter than a G11 7 series so yes actually, but it wasn't built to be feather weight either, it's not an attack to say they were not light.

This is the thing for me. This is no lightweight. It's a big fat bruiser so the big fat V8 suits the character of the car.

If I wanted a lightweight nimble sports car then I'd get an MX5 or an Alpine.

Isn't this car meant to be a 911 competitor? If so, it's surely not a big fat bruiser? I've always thought of these as the sportiness of the mercs on offer, or am I confusing them with another car (quite possible given my minimal knowledge!)

With regards weight, someone else posted this was many KG LIGHTER with the four pot and rwd set up?

I wonder how much 4WD adds? Probably a good 100kgs? Obviously where the V8 has a lot more power it'll have heavier brakes, beefier suspension etc.

Reading elsewhere the big engined ones we get are 1970kg!!! Wow, I can see why some are referring to it as a fat bruiser.

Even if it is around 200kgs lighter (that's the SL) with no 4wd this is far from a lightweight for a 2 seater with a 4 pot!

Yup, agreed. Way too heavy regardless of the engine. The figures I gave were for the 4wd v8 we get though, I wonder what difference the wee engine and rwd makes?.V8 Car said to be 362kg heavier than the one it replaces, that's batst crazy ain't it?