RE: 2024 Hyundai Ioniq 5 N | PH Review

[Frimley111R]

As someone pointed out with the latest CTR. People who can afford these cars aren't 21. How many want all that shouty body addenda? (Ok, I do but....)

[sam.rog]

The Mad Monk said:

Yeah, but?

£65,000.00?

Name another 600hp car for less.
It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.

[Cannyjock]

sam.rog said:

The Mad Monk said:

Yeah, but?

£65,000.00?

Name another 600hp car for less.
It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.

Or, 10 grand cheaper than my BMW i4 M50, with more power, more space, better handling, more fun generally - only area the BMW wins is interior and probably not by much, unless you want a battery car that doesn't look like one.

[Sion111R]

This is the first new car in a long time i am actually excited to try. Top marks to Hyundai for the direction of their engineering.

[Sway]

Puddenchucker said:

I'm guessing the 'gears' is just the electronics playing with the torque output of the electric motors to give the effect of the torque curve & real gears of an intternal combustion engine.

The wheels look meh.

Agreed - which means someone is finally taking us one step closer to my idea (patented, obvs) of being able to get into a reasonably powerful EV, and decide what legendary car you fancy emulating that day.

Bright, sunny Sunday morning batting across the South Downs? Oh, Sir simply must try to tame the beast that is the F40's spiky turbo delivery.

Grim, wet evening and you just want to get home reasonably stress free? Perhaps Sir might wish to be driving a smooth as silk Civic TypeR?

[British Beef]

Im really split with this car, would it be a good replacement for my Yaris GR?

As fun? probably not at nearly 1ton heavier
As fast? Way faster - which actually will be a problem on the public roads.
As practical? bigger, so more so (but ot the reason for owning this as a 3rd or 4th car)
Reliability??? GR has been perfect over 3 years, this cannot be any better.
Cost? it will take about 250,000 miles to recoup the difference in purchase cost in fuel saving compared to Yaris GR...... so probably not sound economical buy on that basis.

I think Ive answered my own question.

[Roger Irrelevant]

blearyeyedboy said:

Absolutely not a hot hatch...

... but magnificent to see nonetheless. Bravo, Hyundai.

Agreed. I can't think of something with a slightly bigger footprint than an X3, and which is a chunk heavier, as a 'hot hatch'. But whatever it is I like it.

[dave_Sw1]

I have one on order, to replace an I4M50 but i'm probably going to cancel it, the I4 has lost about 40% value in a year and not looking to suffer that again on the N, and I spoke to the dealer and asked if there is any significant upgrade to the security over the Ionic 5 and he didn't think there was, so essentially, anyone with the gameboy rolling code box of tricks, can walk up, open your car and drive off without the key in a matter of minutes, so not good!

[Tycho]

stavr0ss said:

JAMSXR said:

Love what Hyundai have done here. I would still go ICE for this type of car (Type R, RS3) but it’s promising nonetheless. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and all that..

Doest hammering it on track accelerate battery degradation? Until the industry sorts out a generic battery health indicator the depreciation will be severe.

Edited by JAMSXR on Thursday 21st March 06:05

Most testing to date seems to indicate battery degradation largely depends on heat and charge state- batteries in cold climates degrade less quickly than those in hot climates and batteries which are regularly 100% charged or rapid charged degrade faster too.
I doubt hammering it on track occasionally will make a significant difference because although the battery will get hot from hard use it won’t be for longer than a few hours, the extra charge cycles might make some difference but I reckon you’d have to be doing a lot of track days to notice.

It also has an 8 year 100K mile warranty on the battery. I think it looks great but I'd turn off the gear emulators and sound generators straight away.

[Tickle]

Gives with one hand 609 bhp
Takes with the other 2,235kg

Styling looks great, on pics it probably looks smaller than it actually is, it's BIG thing!

Fair play for making it, smaller and lighter would entice me on company car scheme.

[fantheman80]

CountyAFC said:

If the lease deals are agreeable, I'll have one of these as my first EV.

Its now on my Zenith salary sacrifice scheme at £915 net

I like it....but not that much

[whp1983]

sam.rog said:

Name another 600hp car for less.
It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.

It’s a fair point though, bhp per ton…. There are a few competitors which offer more power, great handling, offer more excitement for less money. I can afford one of these and wouldn’t have it - nothing to do with price.

[J4CKO]

The Mad Monk said:

Yeah, but?

£65,000.00?

Its a fair wad of cash if you are paying out of your savings but would imagine 99 percent will be through company car scheme purchases with the attendant tax benefits so the purchase cost is masked to a certain extent and is obviously more advantageous than a diesel car, and a no brainer compared to the, likely pretty lame petrol car you could get for the same bottom line cost each month.

Its good that its not just another big ugly blob with scoops and angry headlights like BMW seem to be turning out, and compared to that end of the market, 65 grand doesnt seem that bad. Had a go in an Ipace with a relatively pedestrian (seems weird saying that, but for an EV 400 bhp) and that shifted very well so this must be mental. Always thought these were a handsome thing for that kind of car, it does at least have a coherence about the design even if you dont like it

Does bode well for the rest of us who dont have a salary sacrifice scheme, with EV values getting more normal secondhand, in not that long there may be a nice choice of pretty powerful EVs to choose from, all those Taycans for example, and the roads are teeming with Teslas, reckon they will end up pretty cheap. That "EVs are too expensive" thing will fall away as the used market matures as folk were sort of comparing brand new EVs that were, and are skewed to bigger, more expensive models to the decades old used ICE market with loads of choice in all sectors and price ranges.

It does show that the manufacturers are trying to inject a bit of fun into their EV offerings beyond ohmygodohmygod straight line acceleration as they know everyone will, after the initial novelty of a 2/3/4 second 0-60 get bored of that and then they have nowhere to go, its not a party piece if everyone can do it, can pick up an MG XPower for 25 grand that will do a 3 something with 430 ? bhp. I think the real fun stuff will come later once they manage to produce a battery that doesnt weigh as much.

[Frimley111R]

blearyeyedboy said:

Absolutely not a hot hatch...

Well it is. It's hot and it is a hatchback.

However, the definition of a HH remains the same but a more powerful/sporty family hatchback has been stretched way way beyond the original intention of the term hot hatch.

We think of a HH as a 205/Golf GTI/Fiesta ST etc but there are monster hatches like the Golf R/AMG A45/new CTR and now this which were never intended to be a simple HH.

Hyper Hatch maybe? But as most of us define a HH, this Hyundai isn't true to our definition of one.

[JAMSXR]

sam.rog said:

The Mad Monk said:

Yeah, but?

£65,000.00?

Name another 600hp car for less.
It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.

To be fair, the cost comments litter most new car threads including ICE.

[Firebobby]

It looks ok but they are big beasts as are most SUV's! Price really doesn't affect me as I couldn't afford one at half the asking price, which is probably what it'll be worth in 2 years time. The state of British roads now and for the foreseeable future means we'd all get better riding around in a "little grey fergie" and that's the truth!

[Harry Flashman]

mclwanB said:

I'd have one

Me too. Leaf goes back in two years, and it was an EV experiment for us (that has been a resounding success).

I'll have the Hyundai as my family runabout, thanks, especially if EV depreciation continues the way its going.

Edited by Harry Flashman on Thursday 21st March 09:15

[J4CKO]

Frimley111R said:

blearyeyedboy said:

Absolutely not a hot hatch...

Well it is. It's hot and it is a hatchback.

However, the definition of a HH remains the same but a more powerful/sporty family hatchback has been stretched way way beyond the original intention of the term hot hatch.

We think of a HH as a 205/Golf GTI/Fiesta ST etc but there are monster hatches like the Golf R/AMG A45/new CTR and now this which were never intended to be a simple HH.

Hyper Hatch maybe? But as most of us define a HH, this Hyundai isn't true to our definition of one.

Things evolve, but this isnt something I would say has much of a claim on the title at two and a bit tons, I dont think anything much over say 1300/1400 kilos (preferably less) can ever claim to be a full blooded hot hatch, would say also no more than 4 cylinders, is front wheel drive, has at least 120 bhp per ton and doesn't cost much more than the average UK yearly wage which is about £35,000 at the moment.

[Oz83]

British Beef said:

Im really split with this car, would it be a good replacement for my Yaris GR?

As fun? probably not at nearly 1ton heavier
As fast? Way faster - which actually will be a problem on the public roads.
As practical? bigger, so more so (but ot the reason for owning this as a 3rd or 4th car)
Reliability??? GR has been perfect over 3 years, this cannot be any better.
Cost? it will take about 250,000 miles to recoup the difference in purchase cost in fuel saving compared to Yaris GR...... so probably not sound economical buy on that basis.

I think Ive answered my own question.

Yes, you'd be mad to. This isn't a hot hatch, it's a massive 2+ tonne SUV that only looks like a hatchback in pictures or from 50m away.
As for being faster? 0-60 certainly. Down a tight, twisty B-road? Doubt it.

We run a GR Yaris alongside a Model Y performance for family duties. I did consider combining the two in the Hyundai but the range is disappointing and I love my GR too much. To me, an electric car is still just an appliance. Would love to try one of these and have my mind changed.

[ajap1979]

British Beef said:

Im really split with this car, would it be a good replacement for my Yaris GR?

As fun? probably not at nearly 1ton heavier
As fast? Way faster - which actually will be a problem on the public roads.
As practical? bigger, so more so (but ot the reason for owning this as a 3rd or 4th car)
Reliability??? GR has been perfect over 3 years, this cannot be any better.
Cost? it will take about 250,000 miles to recoup the difference in purchase cost in fuel saving compared to Yaris GR...... so probably not sound economical buy on that basis.

I think Ive answered my own question.

At least you’re carrying on PH tradition of comparing every new car to the GR Yaris, regardless of how irrelevant the comparison is.