RE: 2024 Hyundai Ioniq 5 N | PH Review
Discussion
sam.rog said:
Name another 600hp car for less.
It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.
Well 600bhp is only half the story. The other half is that it weighs as much as the Death Star. It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.
Without the overboost (so 609bhp) the Hyundai has a very similar power to weight (272 vs 267) as a Model Y Performance, which is £5k less.
For practicality, charging network and range, the Tesla beats it. Also, can the Hyundai be fitted with a towbar?
whp1983 said:
sam.rog said:
Name another 600hp car for less.
It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.
It’s a fair point though, bhp per ton…. There are a few competitors which offer more power, great handling, offer more excitement for less money. I can afford one of these and wouldn’t have it - nothing to do with price.It’s getting very tiresome reading the same drivel on every ev topic.
So you can’t afford it, move on, there are plenty of people who can.
I think Hyundai should be applauded for the efforts they have made to give this car some character, and make it entertaining to drive. Sure there are still compromises that some people (who will probably never drive one) will be unwilling to overlook, but you can’t say it isn’t progress.
ajap1979 said:
British Beef said:
Im really split with this car, would it be a good replacement for my Yaris GR?
As fun? probably not at nearly 1ton heavier
As fast? Way faster - which actually will be a problem on the public roads.
As practical? bigger, so more so (but ot the reason for owning this as a 3rd or 4th car)
Reliability??? GR has been perfect over 3 years, this cannot be any better.
Cost? it will take about 250,000 miles to recoup the difference in purchase cost in fuel saving compared to Yaris GR...... so probably not sound economical buy on that basis.
I think Ive answered my own question.
At least you’re carrying on PH tradition of comparing every new car to the GR Yaris, regardless of how irrelevant the comparison is. As fun? probably not at nearly 1ton heavier
As fast? Way faster - which actually will be a problem on the public roads.
As practical? bigger, so more so (but ot the reason for owning this as a 3rd or 4th car)
Reliability??? GR has been perfect over 3 years, this cannot be any better.
Cost? it will take about 250,000 miles to recoup the difference in purchase cost in fuel saving compared to Yaris GR...... so probably not sound economical buy on that basis.
I think Ive answered my own question.
Is interesting as to whether these big, heavy, very powerful EVs will become a problem as to be honest not really seen any EV's being driven very quickly as I think most are trying to preserve range.
Think the problems will come when they migrate down, or become attractive to the usual types who blast between lights in a sketchy looking cat S RS3, but are they bothered as it doesnt make a load of noise to announce their awesomeness ?
This will be a cracking all round road car. I see it as a Golf R replacement that sounds average but counters with all weather ability but lacks a little soul. Even better that this will be cheap in 2yrs time and you can’t really rag it or wreck the engine, so they are sound used buys plus a long battery warranty.
I’m in when the Tesla lease is up. Will definitely take one for a test drive.
I’m in when the Tesla lease is up. Will definitely take one for a test drive.
Good going Hyundai. This software will bring something back to EVs for us who drive for pleasure. I'm sure it won't be long before you'll be able to map driving modes, so it performs like ICE cars.
Fancy that old school turbo power. Map to cossie mode. For that hunkered down rear wheel drive, 911 mode. Crazy drift mode, hoonigan map. Like gran tursimo played out in real life.
Fancy that old school turbo power. Map to cossie mode. For that hunkered down rear wheel drive, 911 mode. Crazy drift mode, hoonigan map. Like gran tursimo played out in real life.
J4CKO said:
Frimley111R said:
blearyeyedboy said:
Absolutely not a hot hatch...
Well it is. It's hot and it is a hatchback. However, the definition of a HH remains the same but a more powerful/sporty family hatchback has been stretched way way beyond the original intention of the term hot hatch.
We think of a HH as a 205/Golf GTI/Fiesta ST etc but there are monster hatches like the Golf R/AMG A45/new CTR and now this which were never intended to be a simple HH.
Hyper Hatch maybe? But as most of us define a HH, this Hyundai isn't true to our definition of one.
It's an impressive feat, but I'm not quite sure who this is aimed at?
It's a bit big, heavy and far too expensive to tempt anyone out of a ICE hot hatch.
I don't think it's grown up enough to tempt anyone out of a German performance EV (Taycan , i4 etc)
Meanwhile, the EV crowd will probably ignore it because the normal Ioniq5 has more than enough performance while being 50% cheaper.
It's a bit big, heavy and far too expensive to tempt anyone out of a ICE hot hatch.
I don't think it's grown up enough to tempt anyone out of a German performance EV (Taycan , i4 etc)
Meanwhile, the EV crowd will probably ignore it because the normal Ioniq5 has more than enough performance while being 50% cheaper.
ajap1979 said:
British Beef said:
Im really split with this car, would it be a good replacement for my Yaris GR?
As fun? probably not at nearly 1ton heavier
As fast? Way faster - which actually will be a problem on the public roads.
As practical? bigger, so more so (but ot the reason for owning this as a 3rd or 4th car)
Reliability??? GR has been perfect over 3 years, this cannot be any better.
Cost? it will take about 250,000 miles to recoup the difference in purchase cost in fuel saving compared to Yaris GR...... so probably not sound economical buy on that basis.
I think Ive answered my own question.
At least you’re carrying on PH tradition of comparing every new car to the GR Yaris, regardless of how irrelevant the comparison is. As fun? probably not at nearly 1ton heavier
As fast? Way faster - which actually will be a problem on the public roads.
As practical? bigger, so more so (but ot the reason for owning this as a 3rd or 4th car)
Reliability??? GR has been perfect over 3 years, this cannot be any better.
Cost? it will take about 250,000 miles to recoup the difference in purchase cost in fuel saving compared to Yaris GR...... so probably not sound economical buy on that basis.
I think Ive answered my own question.
TX.
Neill-l9qpf said:
It's an impressive feat, but I'm not quite sure who this is aimed at?
It's a bit big, heavy and far too expensive to tempt anyone out of a ICE hot hatch.
I don't think it's grown up enough to tempt anyone out of a German performance EV (Taycan , i4 etc)
Meanwhile, the EV crowd will probably ignore it because the normal Ioniq5 has more than enough performance while being 50% cheaper.
Yep, as I said earlier, someone said the same of a current shape CTR (excluding the big/heavy part)It's a bit big, heavy and far too expensive to tempt anyone out of a ICE hot hatch.
I don't think it's grown up enough to tempt anyone out of a German performance EV (Taycan , i4 etc)
Meanwhile, the EV crowd will probably ignore it because the normal Ioniq5 has more than enough performance while being 50% cheaper.
Sway said:
J4CKO said:
Frimley111R said:
blearyeyedboy said:
Absolutely not a hot hatch...
Well it is. It's hot and it is a hatchback. However, the definition of a HH remains the same but a more powerful/sporty family hatchback has been stretched way way beyond the original intention of the term hot hatch.
We think of a HH as a 205/Golf GTI/Fiesta ST etc but there are monster hatches like the Golf R/AMG A45/new CTR and now this which were never intended to be a simple HH.
Hyper Hatch maybe? But as most of us define a HH, this Hyundai isn't true to our definition of one.
Neill-l9qpf said:
It's an impressive feat, but I'm not quite sure who this is aimed at?
It's a bit big, heavy and far too expensive to tempt anyone out of a ICE hot hatch.
I don't think it's grown up enough to tempt anyone out of a German performance EV (Taycan , i4 etc)
Meanwhile, the EV crowd will probably ignore it because the normal Ioniq5 has more than enough performance while being 50% cheaper.
I suppose you could ask the same about the Kia EV6 GT, Polestar 2 Performance, BMW i4 M50, and Tesla Model 3 Performance. They’re all around the same price and people seem to buy/rent/whatever them. It's a bit big, heavy and far too expensive to tempt anyone out of a ICE hot hatch.
I don't think it's grown up enough to tempt anyone out of a German performance EV (Taycan , i4 etc)
Meanwhile, the EV crowd will probably ignore it because the normal Ioniq5 has more than enough performance while being 50% cheaper.
Dingu said:
Like most people you probably can’t afford either so it’s probably a moot point.
Gears are a compromise generally tbh, you only like them because you are used to it.
Not sure that last bit is true. I've driven loads of auto/DCT cars and, in the good ones, you can't really tell what it's doing if you're driving normally. However, while it's good, I don't necessarily want that. Sometimes I want to enjoy the experience of actually driving the car, part of which is controlling the machine. That is why I like manual cars, and why I like driving competitively. It is the experience of operating the machine and trying to get the most out of it. Gears are a compromise generally tbh, you only like them because you are used to it.
That's not to take anything away from what Hyundai have achieved here, because this appears to be one of the most convincing attempts at making a fun, engaging EV so far. Hopefully it is a big step towards more affordable, accessible and fun EVs, but that doesn't mean it is necessarily a replacement for what a manual, ICE car can offer to many enthusiasts.
These are great looking things even in non N spec, but I do think it would be even better if i30 sized. As great as this really does appear to be, I can't help but feel it's a shame that now the only N you can buy new is a £65k+ giant heavyweight EV, which whilst not expensive for what it actually is, is a far cry from petrol N models, so I can't imagine many moving from one to the other.
If I could afford it, no doubt I'd be tempted, though my EV of choice, which I also can not afford, is the abarth 500, silly noises and all.
If I could afford it, no doubt I'd be tempted, though my EV of choice, which I also can not afford, is the abarth 500, silly noises and all.
I’m sure it will be brilliant and I applaud Hyundai’s inventiveness. If it’s anything like the EV6 GT it will be a cracking drive. I’m itching to try one at our local dealer as a possible next car after my EV6 GT.
I do wonder though whether the trickery will wear thin after a bit and people will just drive it like a hyper-EV just like they turn off all the fake sound effects after about 3 days?
‘Hyper-EV’ that’s going to trigger some ICE diehards!
I do wonder though whether the trickery will wear thin after a bit and people will just drive it like a hyper-EV just like they turn off all the fake sound effects after about 3 days?
‘Hyper-EV’ that’s going to trigger some ICE diehards!
Frimley111R said:
Sway said:
J4CKO said:
Frimley111R said:
blearyeyedboy said:
Absolutely not a hot hatch...
Well it is. It's hot and it is a hatchback. However, the definition of a HH remains the same but a more powerful/sporty family hatchback has been stretched way way beyond the original intention of the term hot hatch.
We think of a HH as a 205/Golf GTI/Fiesta ST etc but there are monster hatches like the Golf R/AMG A45/new CTR and now this which were never intended to be a simple HH.
Hyper Hatch maybe? But as most of us define a HH, this Hyundai isn't true to our definition of one.
I'd suggest it's about the same size as 1st gen RRS.
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