RE: 2024 Rolls-Royce Spectre | UK Review
Discussion
ajap1979 said:
TinpotTintop said:
Having been in V12 Rollers and Bentleys, part of the experience is knowing there is a beautifully engineered ICE up front, that you have to strain to hear. You try to catch it out, it's like a game. Can't help thinking that an electric powertrain would feel like a bit of an anticlimax, a missing part of the whole experience
How many people who regularly travel in these sort of cars are thinking the same?It seems like the perfect car for an EV.
cerb4.5lee said:
I'm waiting for someone to tell me that it will feel as light and nimble as my Caterham in the corners...even at 2890kg because of its low centre of gravity of where the batteries sit. 
ICE SUVs get slagged off left, right and centre for their weight, but it is ok for EVs to weigh as much as the moon, because they're allegedly saving the planet. You can't help but laugh really.
Doubt anything will be as nimble as the Caterham :-)ICE SUVs get slagged off left, right and centre for their weight, but it is ok for EVs to weigh as much as the moon, because they're allegedly saving the planet. You can't help but laugh really.
I think the weight comparison thing can be a bit misleading....I would only compare like for like. so it would be interesting to see how this compared to a 2.5ton ICE RR. For the most parts the battery placement 'helps' with weight and they typically don't feel as heavy as one might expect.
CLK-GTR said:
Nomme de Plum said:
There seems to be a misconception here that the owners will be wanting to do long trips in these, more likely they use the helicopter for those mid distance trips or maybe the PJ.
RRs do not typically get used for long drives across the UK or anywhere else globally.
This is a strange idea that a 300k car buyer automatically also owns a $5m helicopter or a $50m jet. Some do, most don't. They will use and rely on the car like anybody else would.RRs do not typically get used for long drives across the UK or anywhere else globally.
The one thing for sure is that when said buyer wants to go somewhere they're not going to accept a 'no' because the car needs to charge for an hour. It will require a bit of planning by whoever looks after the car.
Edited by CLK-GTR on Monday 25th March 10:47
It is quite straightforward to charter helicopters / PJ to do a trip to wherever. It is not even that expensive.
It seems some have little concept how people who own these vehicles live their lives or the people employed around them to make whatever activity they need to do happen as seamlessly as possible.
CLK-GTR said:
This is a strange idea that a 300k car buyer automatically also owns a $5m helicopter or a $50m jet. Some do, most don't. They will use and rely on the car like anybody else would.
Yes, it's a strange conclusion.Simply on the basis that if all RR EV owners have a chopper or jet at hand all Taycan owners would have a gyrocopter or a light aircraft at hand! But, of course that's not the case for the 150k Taycan owners nor is it case for the 300k RR EV owner.
Edited by JJJ. on Tuesday 26th March 00:30
Nomme de Plum said:
I'm not sure why PH posters think that owners of RRs are automatically car enthusiasts. A few maybe, but most are not.
Yes, it would be nice if there were some new(er) RR owners on here who could chip in with how they actually use their cars and what range they would expect. However, I can't imagine that there are many. In the absence of any actual ownership data the market research done by RR themselves where they confirmed that prospective owners would be happy with the range seems pertinent.To counter your experiences, I do occasionally see RR's on the trunk roads up here in the north of Scotland, so some owners do take them for longer drives.
GT9 said:
Dombilano said:
Evo gave it 4.5 stars, quite a good review. They also said " For an EV the Taycan is well resolved, but lighter, ICE-powered saloons and estates on conventional springs have greater breadth and consistency. The same is true of the brakes – the low-speed calibration could be slicker and the pedal lacks the reassuring bite and modulation found in Porsche’s conventional performance cars"
You can dig around as much as you want, inertia will always be a limiting factor at these weights for EVs, until supercapacitors and production methods drastically reduce mass.
I’m guessing you’ve never driven a well-resolved EV?You can dig around as much as you want, inertia will always be a limiting factor at these weights for EVs, until supercapacitors and production methods drastically reduce mass.
Far easier to adopt an entrenched position of EV=s
t based on what you’ve read.Go for a test drive in a Taycan, there’s hardly a shortage of used ones available, you might be surprised.
jhonn said:
Nomme de Plum said:
I'm not sure why PH posters think that owners of RRs are automatically car enthusiasts. A few maybe, but most are not.
Yes, it would be nice if there were some new(er) RR owners on here who could chip in with how they actually use their cars and what range they would expect. However, I can't imagine that there are many. In the absence of any actual ownership data the market research done by RR themselves where they confirmed that prospective owners would be happy with the range seems pertinent.To counter your experiences, I do occasionally see RR's on the trunk roads up here in the north of Scotland, so some owners do take them for longer drives.
As I said look at the mileages of the newer ones being sold.
Driving is a very wasteful way of spending ones time. It is not productive.
Nomme de Plum said:
I should have used a instead of the. I did not mean they own an helicopter and or PJ but a few do.
It is quite straightforward to charter helicopters / PJ to do a trip to wherever. It is not even that expensive.
It seems some have little concept how people who own these vehicles live their lives or the people employed around them to make whatever activity they need to do happen as seamlessly as possible.
As straightforward as walking out of your front door and into the passenger's seat? Of course not. If i want to charter a PJ I am going to have to give at least 24 hours notice to get the right jet in the right place. Even heli charters need an hour or more.It is quite straightforward to charter helicopters / PJ to do a trip to wherever. It is not even that expensive.
It seems some have little concept how people who own these vehicles live their lives or the people employed around them to make whatever activity they need to do happen as seamlessly as possible.
And at what cost? I'm off to South Wales this weekend. The cost in a car? About 20 quid. Hire a helicopter? 5 grand. A jet? Quadruple it. Contrary to your belief not all RR owners have a bottomless pit of cash or even if they do, not all are willing to spend it. You're not going to find many people chartering aircraft to get out to the Cotswolds every other weekend.
Edited by CLK-GTR on Monday 25th March 11:49
Nish Gnackers said:
A few Rolls Royce owners in London/ Home Counties = a representative sample of "Globally"
Professor Plum ... the fount of all (home-made) knowledge.
I'm sure you are aware that the USA is RRs largest market so why don't you go look at the mileages of those 1, 2 or 3 year old cars there. You will see they are not really any different than in the UK, maybe up a little. Then do the sums. Professor Plum ... the fount of all (home-made) knowledge.
BTW RR sold 6032 cars globally last year.
CLK-GTR said:
Nomme de Plum said:
I should have used a instead of the. I did not mean they own an helicopter and or PJ but a few do.
It is quite straightforward to charter helicopters / PJ to do a trip to wherever. It is not even that expensive.
It seems some have little concept how people who own these vehicles live their lives or the people employed around them to make whatever activity they need to do happen as seamlessly as possible.
As straightforward as walking out of your front door and into the passenger's seat? Of course not. If i want to charter a PJ I am going to have to give at least 24 hours notice to get the right jet in the right place. Even heli charters need an hour or more.It is quite straightforward to charter helicopters / PJ to do a trip to wherever. It is not even that expensive.
It seems some have little concept how people who own these vehicles live their lives or the people employed around them to make whatever activity they need to do happen as seamlessly as possible.
And at what cost? I'm off to South Wales this weekend. The cost in a car? About 20 quid. Hire a helicopter? 5 grand. A jet? Quadruple it. Contrary to your belief not all RR owners have a bottomless pit of cash or even if they do, not all are willing to spend it. You're not going to find many people chartering aircraft to get out to the Cotswolds every other weekend.
Edited by CLK-GTR on Monday 25th March 11:49
I'm not sure why you'd bring the Cotswolds into the discussion. How many brand new ones do you see buzzing around there.
I think you maybe looking at the 3rd, 4th 5th+ owners not the ones who spend £400K on a new one every year or two.
jenkosrugby said:
GT9 - I would give up on this guy. He clearly doesn't get it. Most people who own or drive an EV understand, and most of the anti EV'ers have yet to drive one, so are full of opinions and have no experience. BUT....no amount trying to explain will work.
You know what, I get something out of these exchanges to broaden my understanding of how EVs are perceived. Hopefully anything I can share will also help with broadening such perceptions.
CLK-GTR said:
Nomme de Plum said:
I should have used a instead of the. I did not mean they own an helicopter and or PJ but a few do.
It is quite straightforward to charter helicopters / PJ to do a trip to wherever. It is not even that expensive.
It seems some have little concept how people who own these vehicles live their lives or the people employed around them to make whatever activity they need to do happen as seamlessly as possible.
As straightforward as walking out of your front door and into the passenger's seat? Of course not. If i want to charter a PJ I am going to have to give at least 24 hours notice to get the right jet in the right place. Even heli charters need an hour or more.It is quite straightforward to charter helicopters / PJ to do a trip to wherever. It is not even that expensive.
It seems some have little concept how people who own these vehicles live their lives or the people employed around them to make whatever activity they need to do happen as seamlessly as possible.
And at what cost? I'm off to South Wales this weekend. The cost in a car? About 20 quid. Hire a helicopter? 5 grand. A jet? Quadruple it. Contrary to your belief not all RR owners have a bottomless pit of cash or even if they do, not all are willing to spend it. You're not going to find many people chartering aircraft to get out to the Cotswolds every other weekend.
Edited by CLK-GTR on Monday 25th March 11:49
These owners will almost certainly have access to private parking at any of their residences/workplaces to be able to install a charger. Meaning they will start their journey with a full charge.
I would be gobsmacked if their daily mileage exceeds the backstop of 200 miles real world that this will deliver. If it does then they will doubtless have a car that can do the distance in the fleet of minimum 2-3 other vehicles they own. Equally the type of places that they “put stop” whether it be leisure and pleasure or related to their work will almost definitely be the type of place that has charging infrastructure available by virtue of being a high end venue that can afford to deliver charging solutions for their wealthy clientele.
What I think this really means is that for a Rolls Royce customer who drives their vehicle, they are gaining the massive benefit of never having to visit a petrol station. Especially since the V12 this replaces probably didn’t do many more miles between refills.
Nomme de Plum said:
I'm sorry but you have no clue as to the typical new RR buyer. At least I've known a few and they would find your comparison laughable. They all owned numerous cars.
I'm not sure why you'd bring the Cotswolds into the discussion. How many brand new ones do you see buzzing around there.
I think you maybe looking at the 3rd, 4th 5th+ owners not the ones who spend £400K on a new one every year or two.
Ah ok now you're trotting out the phantom friends who own RRs to back up your point.I'm not sure why you'd bring the Cotswolds into the discussion. How many brand new ones do you see buzzing around there.
I think you maybe looking at the 3rd, 4th 5th+ owners not the ones who spend £400K on a new one every year or two.
Of course somebody who owns a 300k car probably owns one or ten more cars. Still doesn't mask the fact if they buy a luxury car to travel in luxury, it has to do that job. Having to stop or plan around refueling or charging ruins that. The cars fits your life not the other way around. I agree with the above post that most buyers will be going somewhere with a charging point but not always with a real world 200 odd mile range.
By the way RR have an increasing number of younger buyers and buyers who are buying them as their only car especially in the US.
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