RE: 2024 Rolls-Royce Spectre | UK Review
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The car itself looks refreshing to my eyes. But it suffers from the same problem as all EV's, the range as I'm guessing real world use is 250 miles taking it handy with favourable ambient temps.
Actually, it's not the range, rather the time it takes to charge even just to 80%. Who wants to initially plan a long trip based around charging points/distance and be stuck at public charging point (a working one with no queue) for 45 minutes or whatever with 300k + car, it doesn't make sense in that scenario.
Still, as daily driver from home to the City I'm sure it would be ideal.
Actually, it's not the range, rather the time it takes to charge even just to 80%. Who wants to initially plan a long trip based around charging points/distance and be stuck at public charging point (a working one with no queue) for 45 minutes or whatever with 300k + car, it doesn't make sense in that scenario.
Still, as daily driver from home to the City I'm sure it would be ideal.
JJJ. said:
Actually, it's not the range, rather the time it takes to charge even just to 80%. Who wants to initially plan a long trip based around charging points/distance and be stuck at public charging point (a working one with no queue) for 45 minutes or whatever with 300k + car, it doesn't make sense in that scenario.
Of course, if one is wealthy enough to afford one in the first place, one might have a minion or lackey to do that tedious s
t for you.When introducing a new car, it's handy to include at least one photograph showing the side profile
I think this should do well. The fact is that EVs are better in some ways and worse in others than combustion engined cars. But if you're rich enough to afford a Rolls, you likely have several cars. Therefore you can easily include an EV as one of the many, use it where it suits and take a petrol car when that would be more convenient. And charging at home in the garage is much more civilised than having to go stand on a petrol station forecourt. Plus, many owners in this price bracket probably have their own company they can put the car through, making it tax favourable.
I wonder how maintenance costs will be as these age? Given that Harris described a V12 Phantom as the worst car he's had from that perspective (against competition of various big-engined Ferraris etc), and other EVs seem to range from almost zero running costs to expensive liabilities.
samoht said:
And charging at home in the garage is much more civilised than having to go stand on a petrol station forecourt.
Would it be preferable though? I for one could not be arsed garaging my car every night, or when it would need charging. So, (for me) that would mean charging it outside, or putting up a car-port canopy to shelter from the weather.At least in a petrol station forecourt you're generally under a canopy, can fill up in about 5 minutes, pay at the pump, and be on your way with a probable 400+ miles range.
samoht said:
And charging at home in the garage is much more civilised than having to go stand on a petrol station forecourt.
Come on, that's no justification for having an EV. That's real EV warrior bull.Filled up with 75l of fuel yesterday, it took five minutes including paying for it. The lady opposite me was filling her little Toyota...real uncivilised s
t was going down!jhonn said:
Would it be preferable though? I for one could not be arsed garaging my car every night, or when it would need charging. So, (for me) that would mean charging it outside, or putting up a car-port canopy to shelter from the weather.
At least in a petrol station forecourt you're generally under a canopy, can fill up in about 5 minutes, pay at the pump, and be on your way with a probable 400+ miles range.
With an automatic garage door and a decently spacious garage, there's very little hassle involved in garaging a car. If the garage is integral with the house, it can even save you having to venture outside at all.At least in a petrol station forecourt you're generally under a canopy, can fill up in about 5 minutes, pay at the pump, and be on your way with a probable 400+ miles range.
I think perhaps you may be overlooking the other ways in which the typical RR owner's life differs from that of you and me, which affect the convenience.
But regardless, if you have to park a car anywhere and get out, the extra time & effort to plug in a cable hanging just nearby is really minimal, it's less of an effort than getting something out of the boot, say.
JJJ. said:
Actually, it's not the range, rather the time it takes to charge even just to 80%. Who wants to initially plan a long trip based around charging points/distance and be stuck at public charging point (a working one with no queue) for 45 minutes or whatever with 300k + car, it doesn't make sense in that scenario.
That’s not really how most people approach long trips in an EV. You don’t set off with 100% and run the battery down, then face sitting on a charger for ages. You use the charge curve to make maybe a couple of much shorter stops where the charge rate is optimised. That might sound like a PITA, but it really isn’t in practice. ajap1979 said:
JJJ. said:
Actually, it's not the range, rather the time it takes to charge even just to 80%. Who wants to initially plan a long trip based around charging points/distance and be stuck at public charging point (a working one with no queue) for 45 minutes or whatever with 300k + car, it doesn't make sense in that scenario.
That’s not really how most people approach long trips in an EV. You don’t set off with 100% and run the battery down, then face sitting on a charger for ages. You use the charge curve to make maybe a couple of much shorter stops where the charge rate is optimised. That might sound like a PITA, but it really isn’t in practice. JJJ. said:
samoht said:
And charging at home in the garage is much more civilised than having to go stand on a petrol station forecourt.
Come on, that's no justification for having an EV. That's real EV warrior bull.Filled up with 75l of fuel yesterday, it took five minutes including paying for it. The lady opposite me was filling her little Toyota...real uncivilised s
t was going down!I'm not saying that refuelling a petrol car is a major burden or anything. But I think we become used to finding a petrol station, negotiating access to a pump, standing next to the car holding the nozzle, going to pay (sometimes queueing to do so), and rejoining the road.
I'm not making out this is a big thing or a decision driver to go EV, it's a minor motoring inconvenience, but at the top-end luxury level these are the kinds of minor inconvenience which you're looking to avoid.
JJJ. said:
ajap1979 said:
JJJ. said:
Actually, it's not the range, rather the time it takes to charge even just to 80%. Who wants to initially plan a long trip based around charging points/distance and be stuck at public charging point (a working one with no queue) for 45 minutes or whatever with 300k + car, it doesn't make sense in that scenario.
That’s not really how most people approach long trips in an EV. You don’t set off with 100% and run the battery down, then face sitting on a charger for ages. You use the charge curve to make maybe a couple of much shorter stops where the charge rate is optimised. That might sound like a PITA, but it really isn’t in practice. These won’t be public charged.
samoht said:
With an automatic garage door and a decently spacious garage, there's very little hassle involved in garaging a car. If the garage is integral with the house, it can even save you having to venture outside at all.
I think perhaps you may be overlooking the other ways in which the typical RR owner's life differs from that of you and me, which affect the convenience.
OK, you're right, I've no real idea how the typical owner of this RR would actually live. However, let me paint a picture...I think perhaps you may be overlooking the other ways in which the typical RR owner's life differs from that of you and me, which affect the convenience.
You've done good for yourself, you've got the stately pile in the countryside with its sweeping driveway, a range of rustic outbuildings and detached garages (not integral to the house, that's a bit...uh.. council
). You arrive home after spending the day in the city trading futures, and you absolutely need to charge the car, to do the same tomorrow.You don't have a charger by the front door entrance, because it would look s
t attached to the Georgian pillars, so you have to park it round the back or in the garage. So now your car is dictating your actions and priorities - that's not just inconvenient, it's draconian! 
JJJ. said:
ajap1979 said:
JJJ. said:
Actually, it's not the range, rather the time it takes to charge even just to 80%. Who wants to initially plan a long trip based around charging points/distance and be stuck at public charging point (a working one with no queue) for 45 minutes or whatever with 300k + car, it doesn't make sense in that scenario.
That’s not really how most people approach long trips in an EV. You don’t set off with 100% and run the battery down, then face sitting on a charger for ages. You use the charge curve to make maybe a couple of much shorter stops where the charge rate is optimised. That might sound like a PITA, but it really isn’t in practice. A lot is made of the “planning” aspect, but I promise you, it really doesn’t take that much brain power. Or it can involve none at all, just let the car do the work for you.
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