RE: 2024 Rolls-Royce Spectre | UK Review
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jhonn said:
I for one could not be arsed garaging my car every night, or when it would need charging.
People who can afford a Spectre have a 20-foot wide automatic garage door (or two), offering easy access to their spacious, heated garage at the touch of a button. Why would they want to be seen mingling with plebs at a fuel station, filling their car with smelly and dirty carbohydrates?JJJ. said:
The car itself looks refreshing to my eyes. But it suffers from the same problem as all EV's, the range as I'm guessing real world use is 250 miles taking it handy with favourable ambient temps.
I saw an interview with a Rolls Royce employee talking about the car. They touched on range, and the RR guy said they’d surveyed potential owners who all said the range was fine. Any further and they’d take their jet.
jhonn said:
You don't have a charger by the front door entrance, because it would look s
t attached to the Georgian pillars, so you have to park it round the back or in the garage. So now your car is dictating your actions and priorities - that's not just inconvenient, it's draconian! 
A dinosaur juice burning car is dictating your actions and priorities even worse: find a filling station, be forced to mingle with plebs, having to touch a dirty fuel nozzle that's been held before you by God-knows-how-many dirty mitts, having to pump dirty, smelly chemicals, while you just stand there, outside, holding that dirty nozzle, waiting for it to finish.t attached to the Georgian pillars, so you have to park it round the back or in the garage. So now your car is dictating your actions and priorities - that's not just inconvenient, it's draconian! EV's are a godsend for toffs.
ajap1979 said:
JJJ. said:
ajap1979 said:
JJJ. said:
Actually, it's not the range, rather the time it takes to charge even just to 80%. Who wants to initially plan a long trip based around charging points/distance and be stuck at public charging point (a working one with no queue) for 45 minutes or whatever with 300k + car, it doesn't make sense in that scenario.
That’s not really how most people approach long trips in an EV. You don’t set off with 100% and run the battery down, then face sitting on a charger for ages. You use the charge curve to make maybe a couple of much shorter stops where the charge rate is optimised. That might sound like a PITA, but it really isn’t in practice. A lot is made of the “planning” aspect, but I promise you, it really doesn’t take that much brain power. Or it can involve none at all, just let the car do the work for you.
No doubt it's a different ballgame with a run of the mill EV where running costs and associated benefits are key. It's probably worth approaching a long trip differently and stopping more often than an ICE if one is happy to do that.
The flexibility of an ICE can't be beaten by an EV, it's as simple as that.
tr3a said:
People who can afford a Spectre have a 20-foot wide automatic garage door (or two), offering easy access to their spacious, heated garage at the touch of a button. Why would they want to be seen mingling with plebs at a fuel station, filling their car with smelly and dirty carbohydrates?
tr3a said:
A dinosaur juice burning car is dictating your actions and priorities even worse: find a filling station, be forced to mingle with plebs, having to touch a dirty fuel nozzle that's been held before you by God-knows-how-many dirty mitts, having to pump dirty, smelly chemicals, while you just stand there, outside, holding that dirty nozzle, waiting for it to finish.
EV's are a godsend for toffs.
Yeah, I can see your point too. Personally, (for a number of reasons), if I was in the position to need, own and run a car like this, I'd stick with the ICE version - however, 'horses for courses', it's all tied to the individual owners circumstances.EV's are a godsend for toffs.
CheesecakeRunner said:
JJJ. said:
The car itself looks refreshing to my eyes. But it suffers from the same problem as all EV's, the range as I'm guessing real world use is 250 miles taking it handy with favourable ambient temps.
I saw an interview with a Rolls Royce employee talking about the car. They touched on range, and the RR guy said they’d surveyed potential owners who all said the range was fine. Any further and they’d take their jet.
Anyway, as for the the jet I presume the RR guy was implying that customer would have a hanger and runway on his property. Or lives within a stone's throw of an airport and has the jet on call 24/7.
One could be forgiven into thinking having use of a private jet is the answer to all for distances greater than 250 miles.
There's not many people that can afford their own private jet or are willing to splash the cash on one. There's far, far more that can afford a new RR.
I thinking the RR employee was just doing his job with a bit of marketing speak.
JJJ. said:
Thanks for editing my post! You left out my main point.
Because I wasn’t addressing your point. I was using your comment about range to relay an amusing anecdote about the car this thread is about. Whilst EVs have their many pros and cons, this thread is about a Rolls Royce. The ownership of which is very different from what the vast majority of us will ever experience or be able to identify with. And thus the usual EV arguments mostly do not apply.
The owners of these cars will have staff to recharge them, clean them, maintain them. They’ll have helicopters and jets on standby whenever they want. They’ll have properties with ample space for storing them. They simply will not care what’s under the bonnet, they’ll just want a quiet, luxurious place to travel.
cerb4.5lee said:
329 miles seems such a poor amount of range for the money to me. How far off are we to getting an EV that offers around 700 miles of range like the car I have now I wonder?
Mercedes already made one, see EQXX.As for production cars, not any time soon, but for someone who has a driveway, it's a completely pointless and self-defeating request because all you'll end up doing is making the car much heavier than its needs to be which, if your past posting about weight is anything to go by, will flare up your shingles big time.
cerb4.5lee said:
329 miles seems such a poor amount of range for the money to me. How far off are we to getting an EV that offers around 700 miles of range like the car I have now I wonder?
I don’t think we will ever get there. Maybe a real world, most of the year round 450 miles with the technology roadmaps we can see and 15 minute charging are within reach this decade for mass premium manufactured stuff. CheesecakeRunner said:
Because I wasn’t addressing your point. I was using your comment about range to relay an amusing anecdote about the car this thread is about.
Whilst EVs have their many pros and cons, this thread is about a Rolls Royce. The ownership of which is very different from what the vast majority of us will ever experience or be able to identify with. And thus the usual EV arguments mostly do not apply.
The owners of these cars will have staff to recharge them, clean them, maintain them. They’ll have helicopters and jets on standby whenever they want. They’ll have properties with ample space for storing them. They simply will not care what’s under the bonnet, they’ll just want a quiet, luxurious place to travel.
Big difference between affording a 300k car and having a £50m Gulfstream on standby. Lots of owners will have the same experiences with their cars as any of us.Whilst EVs have their many pros and cons, this thread is about a Rolls Royce. The ownership of which is very different from what the vast majority of us will ever experience or be able to identify with. And thus the usual EV arguments mostly do not apply.
The owners of these cars will have staff to recharge them, clean them, maintain them. They’ll have helicopters and jets on standby whenever they want. They’ll have properties with ample space for storing them. They simply will not care what’s under the bonnet, they’ll just want a quiet, luxurious place to travel.
cerb4.5lee said:
329 miles seems such a poor amount of range for the money to me. How far off are we to getting an EV that offers around 700 miles of range like the car I have now I wonder?
How many times have you driven 700 miles without stopping?Development won't go towards bigger batteries. It'll concentrate on faster DC charging.
I don’t think the owners of these will be plugging them in themselves, they will get in it, drive it, miraculously fully charged and then return and toss the keys on the side, whereupon someone will attend to the charging chores.
Will be like a teenager chucking their dirty clothes on the floor then they magically appear back in the wardrobe, washed, ironed and folded.
And weight, guess buyers won’t care as they won’t be trying to set lap records, they will likely have numerous other cars.
And range, again drive it somewhere, ask the valet to park it and ensure it is charged for your return, failing that they use another car, call a driver or take a plane.
Looks, well it it’s a Rolls Royce, looks like previous ones but a bit updated, what else would you expect ?
Will be like a teenager chucking their dirty clothes on the floor then they magically appear back in the wardrobe, washed, ironed and folded.
And weight, guess buyers won’t care as they won’t be trying to set lap records, they will likely have numerous other cars.
And range, again drive it somewhere, ask the valet to park it and ensure it is charged for your return, failing that they use another car, call a driver or take a plane.
Looks, well it it’s a Rolls Royce, looks like previous ones but a bit updated, what else would you expect ?
tr3a said:
How many times have you driven 700 miles without stopping?
Development won't go towards bigger batteries. It'll concentrate on faster DC charging.
Exactly, there was a lot of moaning when smartphones came out and batteries went from lasting a week to a day. Then everyone eventually realised that charging overnight wasn't that much of a burden, contactless charging made it more convenient and other tech like powerpacks filled in the gaps. We're just in that awkward transition phase for EVs at the moment.Development won't go towards bigger batteries. It'll concentrate on faster DC charging.
Back to the Rolls, I love it but it'll need to depreciate a bit more...
CLK-GTR said:
Big difference between affording a 300k car and having a £50m Gulfstream on standby. Lots of owners will have the same experiences with their cars as any of us.
Or you could hire a jet or chopper from Air Partner, et al, as many do. Alternatively, with a wee bit of planning, here’s a feasible leccy R-R long(ish) trip:
- 09:00 Depart home fully charged
- 11:00ish Stop at 5-star gaff (that has a car park w/ chargers) for coffee & pastries, a pee, nicotine / battery top-up
- 13:30ish Stop at 5-star gaff for lunch, pee, nicotine / battery top-up
- 16:30ish Stop at 5-star gaff for afternoon tea, pee, nicotine / battery top-up
- 19:00(ish) Arrive at destination or 5-star hotel for dinner, overnight stay, nicotine / battery top-up
Obvs, a key advantage of the above is there’d be no need to stop at any of the UK’s vile motorway service stations. Bliss.
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