Free dashcams issued by police for Operation Snap
Discussion
shtu said:
As a starter, I would settle for "submitter must include an uninterrupted 5 minutes of video prior to the reported incident". That would stop most of the DCWs in their tracks.
That sounds reasonable - however I'm still not clear on whether the DCW's footage is automatically assumed to be a true, unedited, factual record that can be used to bring a prosecution.Do the police have any obligation to prove that DCW footage is a true record?
I've caught some awful driving on my dashcam, there's been some I've thought about reporting, but I forget anything happened by the time I get home. I think reporting genuinely dangerous driving is fair, but I don't like the thought of people out there reporting every minor offence they see, the people who do so must be very sad individuals.
I got my dashcam for the purpose of protecting me in the case of an accident where I may need to prove its not my fault, I'm not worried about it catching my own mistakes, as if I cause an accident I'd be honest about it.
I got my dashcam for the purpose of protecting me in the case of an accident where I may need to prove its not my fault, I'm not worried about it catching my own mistakes, as if I cause an accident I'd be honest about it.
what a lovely society we've cultivated 
the same pathetic grasses who couldn't wait to dob people in for doing whatever during covid, no doubt. wI suspect it will be like the Neighbourhood Speedwatch mob you see around. Never around school times though or they'd catch all the locals. I think they give them a camera and some hi viz vests. No actual prosecutions but you'll get a letter from plod saying your driving has been 'noted'.
I had a NIP from a helmet cam, worn by a horse rider, who was stationary at the exit of a blind bend. All part of a similar operation here in the SW.
I came round that bend within the speed limit but was obviously concerned to see a horse stood there, so took avoiding action, to give space and slowed down, which sadly made the exhaust pop a bit
On my way back they had gone, but I received the NiP, drove the road again at the same time of day and filmed it showing where the sun would've been (behind the horse) and stated that given the fact I didn't know they were there I did a pretty decent job of it all.... noting that you should pass a horse at 10mph, I did add that I can't enter every bend at 10mph just in case, because that'd make me a risk to any traffic following on from behind..
I also added sincere apologies for the upset caused by my unmodified car's noise.
Case was closed.
It does appear that the human element of law enforcement is being replaced by film...
I came round that bend within the speed limit but was obviously concerned to see a horse stood there, so took avoiding action, to give space and slowed down, which sadly made the exhaust pop a bit
On my way back they had gone, but I received the NiP, drove the road again at the same time of day and filmed it showing where the sun would've been (behind the horse) and stated that given the fact I didn't know they were there I did a pretty decent job of it all.... noting that you should pass a horse at 10mph, I did add that I can't enter every bend at 10mph just in case, because that'd make me a risk to any traffic following on from behind..
I also added sincere apologies for the upset caused by my unmodified car's noise.
Case was closed.
It does appear that the human element of law enforcement is being replaced by film...
Quickmoose said:
I had a NIP from a helmet cam, worn by a horse rider, who was stationary at the exit of a blind bend. All part of a similar operation here in the SW.
I came round that bend within the speed limit but was obviously concerned to see a horse stood there, so took avoiding action, to give space and slowed down, which sadly made the exhaust pop a bit
On my way back they had gone, but I received the NiP, drove the road again at the same time of day and filmed it showing where the sun would've been (behind the horse) and stated that given the fact I didn't know they were there I did a pretty decent job of it all.... noting that you should pass a horse at 10mph, I did add that I can't enter every bend at 10mph just in case, because that'd make me a risk to any traffic following on from behind..
I also added sincere apologies for the upset caused by my unmodified car's noise.
Case was closed.
It does appear that the human element of law enforcement is being replaced by film...
What was the alleged offence out of interest and was the rider named?I came round that bend within the speed limit but was obviously concerned to see a horse stood there, so took avoiding action, to give space and slowed down, which sadly made the exhaust pop a bit
On my way back they had gone, but I received the NiP, drove the road again at the same time of day and filmed it showing where the sun would've been (behind the horse) and stated that given the fact I didn't know they were there I did a pretty decent job of it all.... noting that you should pass a horse at 10mph, I did add that I can't enter every bend at 10mph just in case, because that'd make me a risk to any traffic following on from behind..
I also added sincere apologies for the upset caused by my unmodified car's noise.
Case was closed.
It does appear that the human element of law enforcement is being replaced by film...
swisstoni said:
If they can’t be bothered with shoplifting, burglary or car theft, what chance is there they are going to trawl though hours of this?
Loads.All the stuff you mention involves actual police gathering evidence, arresting offenders, court cases, etc., often with the risk that the accused walks free.
The DCW submissions will get watched by a nice cheap civilian worker, and an "offender's course" issued most of the time, and accepted most of the time.
Both count as "a crime", but one is a lot cheaper and easier to "solve".
Super Sonic said:
Terminator X said:
Police do your job. Anyone helping them out is a feckless t
t imho
TX.
Do you think this applies to all crime?t imhoTX.
Do we all agree with the same speed limits all the time and under differing circumstances? 90mph in NSL at 5 in the morning on a clear, dry day may be safer than 60 on a rainy day in rush hour.
Quickmoose said:
Unreal said:
What was the alleged offence out of interest and was the rider named?
"Drive a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road / in a public place without reasonable consideration for others"rider not named.
Edited by Quickmoose on Wednesday 27th March 15:32
vikingaero said:
They could probably double up on the convictions by viewing the whole dashcam footage before the incident and convicting the DCW as well.
ThisI’m amazed i’ve got away with it for so long, 60+ with no points. Everyone makes the odd mistake. Lucky Jim..
Edited by James6112 on Wednesday 27th March 16:06
Guideline afaik is generally 2 minutes before and after the incident to make it clear the camera user was driving along on their best behaviour (although Operation Snap itself just says "the police may ask to review your footage to establish the context of what happened" without any strict timings, I think 2 minutes is one of the older Met schemes)
It supports a written statement which you could always have sent in (and still have to), but obviously video footage is much easier to use as evidence. Prosecution rate is about 35% of submissions and iirc a high proportion are successful.
Footage can't be shared on social media so anyone looking for road drama will have to decide between YouTube or the police.
Submitter can be required to appear in court as a witness. No doubt any effective counsel will explore all possible avenues here if there's a chance they precipitated the incident.
AI deepfakery is interesting - but suspect in reality very few people will have the technical means to do so effectively, and you'd need to be bloody confident of not being caught fabricating evidence to try it.
I expect an uptick in cloned plates, obscured plates, the classic "keep it on the dash and flip it down while on the move" and of course just riding around without any numberplate at all as... well, who's going to catch you? Although "expect" is not quite the right word given enforcement purely via camera (public or otherwise) has been the norm for a while and therefore all of these already happen regularly.
It supports a written statement which you could always have sent in (and still have to), but obviously video footage is much easier to use as evidence. Prosecution rate is about 35% of submissions and iirc a high proportion are successful.
Footage can't be shared on social media so anyone looking for road drama will have to decide between YouTube or the police.
Submitter can be required to appear in court as a witness. No doubt any effective counsel will explore all possible avenues here if there's a chance they precipitated the incident.
AI deepfakery is interesting - but suspect in reality very few people will have the technical means to do so effectively, and you'd need to be bloody confident of not being caught fabricating evidence to try it.
I expect an uptick in cloned plates, obscured plates, the classic "keep it on the dash and flip it down while on the move" and of course just riding around without any numberplate at all as... well, who's going to catch you? Although "expect" is not quite the right word given enforcement purely via camera (public or otherwise) has been the norm for a while and therefore all of these already happen regularly.
Terminator X said:
Super Sonic said:
Terminator X said:
Police do your job. Anyone helping them out is a feckless tt imho
TX.
Do you think this applies to all crime?t imhoTX.
What other crime involves people sending dashcam footage to "help"?
TX.
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