RE: McLaren goes back to the future with design DNA

RE: McLaren goes back to the future with design DNA

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DeejRC

5,798 posts

82 months

Thursday 28th March
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If they wish to remake an M7 or M8…er, where do I sign?

Jas-2jxyw

26 posts

85 months

Thursday 28th March
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Ah yes!!! Some round things on the front - True brand DNA and design....


dinkel

26,947 posts

258 months

Thursday 28th March
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Hints of Abarth racers please, and 60s Alfa Romeo...

And please, make it beautiful: I think that's more important than a zillion horses...

Steve loves Esprit

81 posts

47 months

Thursday 28th March
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Orange too:



ManyMotors

642 posts

98 months

Thursday 28th March
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For any three-seater McLaren makes, where will Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa put his other two wives? Whatever - maybe those left out aren't allowed to talk.

myhandle

1,187 posts

174 months

Thursday 28th March
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Andrew-zg2qw said:
Just do the F1mark 2 - job done.
This is surely the GMA T50?

myhandle

1,187 posts

174 months

Thursday 28th March
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Bit surprised that no-one likes the looks of the T50. It looks pretty much like a new F1, and I have spent lots of time looking at one at Goodwood and many an F1 over the years. What’s interesting is that everyone seems to like the F1’s looks now, but it wasn’t considered a particularly beauty when it was new. I didn’t think it looked that amazing back then, but how wrong I was. I’d say the beauty of the F1 and the T50 come from how cleverly engineered they are, and the styling is what it needs to be to wrap up such clever engineering packages. As for the T33, I think that really is beautiful, but then (like Gordon Murray) I’m a big fan of the 1960s sports prototypes, such as the Alfa 33 Stradale and its race versions, where the name came from.

nismo48

3,688 posts

207 months

Thursday 28th March
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howardhughes said:
The front end on that Orange F1 is a sight to marvel at, let alone the rest of the car.
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andyj007

304 posts

178 months

Thursday 28th March
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ive seen all G t33 t50 and lauda in the flesh , whllst i cant afford them , and whist I was a little underwhelmed with the design on web pages i can 100% say in the flesh they really really work .. Fan aside ,, dont care how good it works .. its look daft , t33 fro me then ..

MyV10BarksAndBites

938 posts

49 months

Thursday 28th March
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whp1983 said:
Think they get a bit unfairly slagged off design wise…. Whenever I see a 720 or 650 or 570 on the roads I think they look great.

Yes I can tell the difference between them and I think they look more cohesive in design than some of the latest Ferraris.

All subjective I know…. But I quite like their current range and recent cars.
570's are the only ones I dislike... They look like budget McLaren's.... Love the 720s and upwards.

MyV10BarksAndBites

938 posts

49 months

Thursday 28th March
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ManyMotors said:
For any three-seater McLaren makes, where will Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa put his other two wives? Whatever - maybe those left out aren't allowed to talk.
Jealousy... wouldn't wish that disease on my worst enemy....

Get some help ey'... Very bad for your health, goals and mental well being... biglaughbeer

Maccmike8

1,034 posts

54 months

Thursday 28th March
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The T50 looks epic. Its tiny. Proper function over form.
When they F1 came out it looked simple compared to the Lambos and Ferraris.
It looks better and better every year. Same for theT50.

PRO5T

3,945 posts

25 months

Thursday 28th March
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The T33 looks beautiful, the T50 less so. I'm not sure I could stomach paying the price of the T33 though and know I'd only been able to buy the cheap one!


Titan2

150 posts

96 months

Thursday 28th March
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I think some of the best car designs, which might not be an absolute knock out when compared
to some of their rivals in period, tend to stand the test of time and eventually come to be seen
as stunning designs.

I think this was another very clever move by the likes of Gordon Murray.

Create a car whose design will only be seen to get better with both familiarity and age.

If I had the funds, I would very happily take the keys to a T.33 Spider.

740EVTORQUES

344 posts

1 month

Thursday 28th March
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The issue I have with road going supercars is that since speed can never be the ultimate goal on road, they need to offer drop dead stunning looks and the t50 looks, well, tidy both on film and in the flesh.
I’m sure it’s stunning engineering but I’d much rather have a Zonda or something

smilo996

2,793 posts

170 months

Thursday 28th March
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Certainly time for a shift in design. Still think the MP12C was one of their best looking cars of the modern era. Never really bought the Logo integrated into the exterior design. The cab design was great tho. Perhaps more differentiation between models? But that comes at a cost.


thejaywills

378 posts

107 months

Friday 29th March
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Funny, had a play with the silhouettes of the F1 and the 650s (out of avoiding work-dom)

Turns out they are much more aligned design wise than I first realised save for evolutions in aero etc.

Window line closely aligns, rear vent aligns very closely to body lines and aero vents on the doors





Couple of quick comparasons shows similar results on the front rear too.. not that you can compare the two, just thought it was interesting nonetheless. Think it explains why I like the proportions of the 650 / mp4 too.

Edited by thejaywills on Friday 29th March 05:17

chrisironside

662 posts

162 months

Friday 29th March
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That image showing the supposed themes through the ages is an embarrassment. And why even try to find a theme in designs that clearly have no common language? I'm sure the guy knows what he's doing, but I would expect this process to start on paper and say "What is it that we're all about, what sets us apart and what do we want to be known for?" and then translate that into design queues.

I'd also like to add that I generally can't abide Nick Cackett's writing, but it seems much better suited to this sort of thing than the car reviews.

Phobos50

144 posts

34 months

Friday 29th March
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thejaywills said:
Funny, had a play with the silhouettes of the F1 and the 650s (out of avoiding work-dom)
Turns out they are much more aligned design wise than I first realised save for evolutions in aero etc.
Window line closely aligns, rear vent aligns very closely to body lines and aero vents on the doors

Couple of quick comparasons shows similar results on the front rear too.. not that you can compare the two, just thought it was interesting nonetheless. Think it explains why I like the proportions of the 650 / mp4 too.
Edited by thejaywills on Friday 29th March 05:17
Looking at factual and relative dimensions, rather than image comparison, each measurement of length, width and height is marginally lower in the F1 than the 650s - taking into account all 3 (F1 shorter by 22.4cm, lower by 7.5cm and less wide by 5.9cm) creates a noticeably smaller car in the F1. This, coupled with the F1's larger wheelbase, smaller overhangs (including virtually no overhang at the rear of the F1) creates a much more aesthetically pleasing car in the F1 (for me at least) than all modern Mclarens.

Whilst all Mclaren cars share an element of DNA from the F1, the increases in size (and yet smaller wheelbase compared to F1) and more pronounced overhangs, including the longer nose in all Mclaren cars from the MP4-12c onwards, have gradually created progressively uglier cars (in terms of side profiles). The 650s has a better side profile than the 720s/750s, but, personally, i feel the best looking rear mid-engined cars have short noses and minimal rear overhangs - personified for me in the peerless F1.

One other thing that also improves the looks of the F1 for me over any more modern Mclaren is its windscreen - which by being bigger, more curvacious, positioned at a shallower angle and extending deeper into the front bonnet helps an already smaller nose appear smaller still. Obviously this windscreen is also the F1's achilles heel in that it is so bespoke for the F1, it costs a fortune to replace - but then nearly everything on the F1 is expensive and bespoke, other than the Bova rear lights, Elan front indicators etc....

Edited by Phobos50 on Friday 29th March 11:10

fortfive

130 posts

59 months

Tuesday 2nd April
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Sold to Bahrain. Will the last to leave please turn out the UK’s lights.