RE: 2024 Porsche Taycan Turbo GT | PH Review

[D4rez]

I think the 718 EV replacement will be more of a yardstick for what a really exciting EV can be… no far off now

[cerb4.5lee]

Kawasicki said:

Nomme de Plum said:

cerb4.5lee said:

I was driving a 2.9 Sierra XR4x4 back in 1995, and that weighed 1275kg. So I'm happy to go back to those times in fairness. Cars have definitely ended up getting very heavy in the intervening years that is for sure.

Well over 4,000 deaths per annum back then. Cars are much safer now.

The current MX5 is also much safer, but not much heavier.

In general most of us do like mod cons in our cars now as well, so they add weight. Plus as mentioned, crash protection has come on leaps and bounds too, but obviously with the added penalty of the extra weight though.

I saw a Taycan earlier funnily enough, and it looked absolutely massive on the road, and I know that they are big anyway, because I've looked around a couple of them in the past.

[cerb4.5lee]

D4rez said:

I think the 718 EV replacement will be more of a yardstick for what a really exciting EV can be… no far off now

I have to say that I am a little bit intrigued by an EV sports car, and I wonder how they will compare to an ICE sports car. Obviously they will be heavier than the ICE version, plus I think personally I'd miss the exhaust/engine noise too. However I am interested in seeing how they will review in magazines etc though.

[Nomme de Plum]

Kawasicki said:

Nomme de Plum said:

cerb4.5lee said:

I was driving a 2.9 Sierra XR4x4 back in 1995, and that weighed 1275kg. So I'm happy to go back to those times in fairness. Cars have definitely ended up getting very heavy in the intervening years that is for sure.

Well over 4,000 deaths per annum back then. Cars are much safer now.

The current MX5 is also much safer, but not much heavier.

Can't really take your family in it can you or do anything meaningful interns of heading of to supermarket or DIY store.

People expect creature comfort and features that's why most don't buy an MX5, it simply isn't practicable.

Not withstanding it's gone up about 10% in weight.

[Nomme de Plum]

cerb4.5lee said:

D4rez said:

I think the 718 EV replacement will be more of a yardstick for what a really exciting EV can be… no far off now

I have to say that I am a little bit intrigued by an EV sports car, and I wonder how they will compare to an ICE sports car. Obviously they will be heavier than the ICE version, plus I think personally I'd miss the exhaust/engine noise too. However I am interested in seeing how they will review in magazines etc though.

That exhaust noise is faked in many cars. It plays through the speakers for the benefit for the occupants. Outside it sounds pretty dismal. Surely anything that reduces noise for residents is a good thing. LF noise is hard to attenuate. HF is really quite easy due to short wavelength.

Porsche we need to make a decision. The mid engined layout of the Cayman was at risk of usurping the 911 so early versions of that and the Boxter were deliberately underpowered.

[Nomme de Plum]

cerb4.5lee said:

In general most of us do like mod cons in our cars now as well, so they add weight. Plus as mentioned, crash protection has come on leaps and bounds too, but obviously with the added penalty of the extra weight though.

I saw a Taycan earlier funnily enough, and it looked absolutely massive on the road, and I know that they are big anyway, because I've looked around a couple of them in the past.

It doesn't feel massive driving it. It is really quite straightforward. I will admit it doesn't fit like a F. 458 but nothing much else does.

[pheonix478]

cerb4.5lee said:

I have to say that I am a little bit intrigued by an EV sports car, and I wonder how they will compare to an ICE sports car. Obviously they will be heavier than the ICE version, plus I think personally I'd miss the exhaust/engine noise too. However I am interested in seeing how they will review in magazines etc though.

I'm not. As much as I love the Taycan as a beast of daily road car I can think of nothing that an EV offers that I want in a sports car. The Taycan battery alone weighs more than a Caterham.

[ds666]

pheonix478 said:

cerb4.5lee said:

I have to say that I am a little bit intrigued by an EV sports car, and I wonder how they will compare to an ICE sports car. Obviously they will be heavier than the ICE version, plus I think personally I'd miss the exhaust/engine noise too. However I am interested in seeing how they will review in magazines etc though.

I'm not. As much as I love the Taycan as a beast of daily road car I can think of nothing that an EV offers that I want in a sports car. The Taycan battery alone weighs more than a Caterham.

You wouldn’t like the throttle response and instantaneous pick up of an ev in a sportscar ?

[pheonix478]

ds666 said:

You wouldn’t like the throttle response and instantaneous pick up of an ev in a sportscar ?

Yes and no. If I'm driving purely for fun I want as much involvement as possible. An engine that rewards you wringing it's neck and punishes you if you don't. Obviously if you're on it, it needs to respond but if a lumpy old fixed cam and multiple carbs makes it a pig to drive slowly without stalling that's just fine and fun to master... equally if there's no turbo at all until you hit 4000 and then all hell breaks loose even better. Not for everyone I know but then take something modern like a 458 and the throttle response is pretty damn instant and idiot proof everywhere.

[_ppan]

cerb4.5lee said:

D4rez said:

I think the 718 EV replacement will be more of a yardstick for what a really exciting EV can be… no far off now

I have to say that I am a little bit intrigued by an EV sports car, and I wonder how they will compare to an ICE sports car. Obviously they will be heavier than the ICE version, plus I think personally I'd miss the exhaust/engine noise too. However I am interested in seeing how they will review in magazines etc though.

Don't just read, drive A mate of mine and me used to just go to dealers with a BS story to get a test drive car, we really liked to just test drive the cars and see what they were like even though there were many cars that would never be our choice

[howardhughes]

Apologies if I'm a little late to the party. I was busy listening to the burble of my JCW exhaust.

[Pierre-kma6q]

GT9 said:

BrownEaredDog said:

Pierre-kma6q said:

Is it a good idea to let people who are not that interested in driving - and therefore not good drivers - accelerate two and a half tonnes from 0 to 100mph in 4.5 seconds?

I was thinking the same, but I suppose that most buyers of this Taycan will be reasonably interested in driving. It's cars like the MG 4 XPower that are easily accessible to almost anyone that are more worrying to me.

I'm not convinced that having an interest in driving makes someone a good driver...
There are loads of young, inexperienced drivers who have an interest in driving.
Doesn't stop them from routinely binning it when they get the risk/reward thing wrong.

I suppose what I meant, at the risk of falling into stereotypes, is that EV’s, including high end EV’s, seem to attract drivers who are not into cars in the sense that they would have been drooling over cars in previous decades. Instead they appear to attract people who are in technology and are materially comfortable enough to make a disruptive statement. And I do witness, but maybe I am biased, that EV drivers are especially clueless at the wheel which is why I worry that a car with the ability to accumulate such an incredible amount of kinetic energy in a handful of seconds with no skills whatsoever becomes a liability once that kinetic energy becomes excessive on account of the necessity to get rid of it just as rapidly due to a turn or a an obstacle ahead.

[ds666]

howardhughes said:

Apologies if I'm a little late to the party. I was busy listening to the burble of my JCW exhaust.

JCW ? No wonder you were late lol

[ds666]

pheonix478 said:

ds666 said:

You wouldn’t like the throttle response and instantaneous pick up of an ev in a sportscar ?

Yes and no. If I'm driving purely for fun I want as much involvement as possible. An engine that rewards you wringing its neck and punishes you if you don't. Obviously if you're on it, it needs to respond but if a lumpy old fixed cam and multiple carbs makes it a pig to drive slowly without stalling that's just fine and fun to master... equally if there's no turbo at all until you hit 4000 and then all hell breaks loose even better. Not for everyone I know but then take something modern like a 458 and the throttle response is pretty damn instant and idiot proof everywhere.

I had an Audi RS2 - the turbo would wake up about a week after you wanted it to .

[Charlie_1]

D4rez said:

fred bloggs said:

So how many pisswasser coffees and dry sausage rolls do you have to consume while staring at the dreary grey outlook of membry services in order for this thing to charge enough to get you the last 50 miles home ?

After 300 miles of driving, probably one Costa on a fast charge. Non issue

No it really is an issue there are enough fat people in the world we dont need anymore

[Charlie_1]

D4rez said:

I think the 718 EV replacement will be more of a yardstick for what a really exciting EV can be… no far off now

No it will prove that a EV sportscar is pointless

[cerb4.5lee]

ds666 said:

pheonix478 said:

ds666 said:

You wouldn’t like the throttle response and instantaneous pick up of an ev in a sportscar ?

Yes and no. If I'm driving purely for fun I want as much involvement as possible. An engine that rewards you wringing its neck and punishes you if you don't. Obviously if you're on it, it needs to respond but if a lumpy old fixed cam and multiple carbs makes it a pig to drive slowly without stalling that's just fine and fun to master... equally if there's no turbo at all until you hit 4000 and then all hell breaks loose even better. Not for everyone I know but then take something modern like a 458 and the throttle response is pretty damn instant and idiot proof everywhere.

I had an Audi RS2 - the turbo would wake up about a week after you wanted it to .

Very nice.

The Audi RS2 was one of the most cool cars on the road for me back in the mid 90's.

[Charlie_1]

Nomme de Plum said:

Kawasicki said:

Nomme de Plum said:

cerb4.5lee said:

I was driving a 2.9 Sierra XR4x4 back in 1995, and that weighed 1275kg. So I'm happy to go back to those times in fairness. Cars have definitely ended up getting very heavy in the intervening years that is for sure.

Well over 4,000 deaths per annum back then. Cars are much safer now.

The current MX5 is also much safer, but not much heavier.

Can't really take your family in it can you or do anything meaningful interns of heading of to supermarket or DIY store.

People expect creature comfort and features that's why most don't buy an MX5, it simply isn't practicable.

Not withstanding it's gone up about 10% in weight.

Hello plummy you are doing your sad thing again , buying cars on the basis of practicality oh dear

[Kawasicki]

Nomme de Plum said:

Kawasicki said:

Nomme de Plum said:

cerb4.5lee said:

I was driving a 2.9 Sierra XR4x4 back in 1995, and that weighed 1275kg. So I'm happy to go back to those times in fairness. Cars have definitely ended up getting very heavy in the intervening years that is for sure.

Well over 4,000 deaths per annum back then. Cars are much safer now.

The current MX5 is also much safer, but not much heavier.

Can't really take your family in it can you or do anything meaningful interns of heading of to supermarket or DIY store.

People expect creature comfort and features that's why most don't buy an MX5, it simply isn't practicable.

Not withstanding it's gone up about 10% in weight.

So 10% heavier in over 30 years, and conforms to all modern safety standards. Why have other cars gotten so much heavier?

[blistacompact]

Nomme de Plum said:

Can't really take your family in it can you or do anything meaningful interns of heading of to supermarket or DIY store.

People expect creature comfort and features that's why most don't buy an MX5, it simply isn't practicable.

Not withstanding it's gone up about 10% in weight.

The suzuki swift is quite light too, even considering its segment.