RE: 2024 Porsche Taycan Turbo GT | PH Review
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If it depreciates to 100K, I’m in. Somehow I think it will be the one Taycan that will be immune to this problem. The numbers are relatively limited and there will be plenty of collectors who will want one. Chirons don’t really get driven and this will be the same, but with much l of see running costs. From memory I think the Veyron requires very expensive tyres that need gluing to the rims. 30K a set. Supercars will always cost money.
cerb4.5lee said:
I'm definitely in your camp regards the Nurburgring, even with ICE cars as well. I just don't understand the point of the place, and I can't say that I know anyone with a race circuit in their back garden either.
Car manufacturers set cars up at the Nurburgring, however when you get to use them across roads in the UK, the cars end up rattling your teeth out...because we don't have any smooth tarmac in the UK in comparison.
In Fairness it is not really the fault of the rest of us that roads in the UK are rather crap and there are potholes that my dog could take a swim in. Car manufacturers set cars up at the Nurburgring, however when you get to use them across roads in the UK, the cars end up rattling your teeth out...because we don't have any smooth tarmac in the UK in comparison.
I agree on the whole lap time stuff though, pointless to me - of slight interest for a proper track car, but not for the majority of cars that set lap times there.
pheonix478 said:
JAMSXR said:
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I love this but after years of superbikes the acceleration does little for me, but I get that marketing is important. Hopefully someone produces a less bloated Taycan in the not too distant future.
Couple of things here. This is significantly (like 50% more accelerative!) to 60 than a well ridden superbike. It's even quicker to 100 which is nuts. If it were as easy as saying, "it accelerates like a superbike" then lots of people would know how fast it is. There really is nothing that hits as hard as these things. 0-30 is like you just got rear ended by a truck. Up to 60 is full on then after that then yeah you've felt it before on a superbike. (IME in the current Turbo S. God knows how crazy this new one is)I love this but after years of superbikes the acceleration does little for me, but I get that marketing is important. Hopefully someone produces a less bloated Taycan in the not too distant future.
To be fair to Porsche the facelift Taycan has a significantly bigger battery and weighs (a tiny 15kg) less but yes I agree weight is the enemy, always.
pheonix478 said:
cerb4.5lee said:
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Car manufacturers set cars up at the Nurburgring, however when you get to use them across roads in the UK, the cars end up rattling your teeth out...
Ironic statement given one of the more remarkable aspects of living with a Taycan is the way it soaks up crap roads like little else. See the end of the video I posted above.Car manufacturers set cars up at the Nurburgring, however when you get to use them across roads in the UK, the cars end up rattling your teeth out...
It is too big to be fun on crap roads.
Edited by Pierre-kma6q on Wednesday 10th April 21:58
pheonix478 said:
Couple of things here. This is significantly (like 50% more accelerative!) to 60 than a well ridden superbike. It's even quicker to 100 which is nuts. If it were as easy as saying, "it accelerates like a superbike" then lots of people would know how fast it is. There really is nothing that hits as hard as these things. 0-30 is like you just got rear ended by a truck. Up to 60 is full on then after that then yeah you've felt it before on a superbike. (IME in the current Turbo S. God knows how crazy this new one is)
To be fair to Porsche the facelift Taycan has a significantly bigger battery and weighs (a tiny 15kg) less but yes I agree weight is the enemy, always.
Ah you missed my point, well, I wasn’t really clear enough. As my bikes got more BHP, power, tech, speed they did not become better or more fun. My most enjoyable bikes were not the fastest 0-60, quite the opposite. To be fair to Porsche the facelift Taycan has a significantly bigger battery and weighs (a tiny 15kg) less but yes I agree weight is the enemy, always.
Although, the speed of an EV is ridiculous it’s nothing like a bike but that’s by the by.
By bloated I’m referencing size more than weight. Basically I’m after an M3/RS4 size EV, 300 miles, and battery degradation/health that allows me to confidently buy used. Thank you please.
(No rush as ICE is great and so is my EV transport box)
Edited by JAMSXR on Wednesday 10th April 22:11
FBR2020 said:
Nomme de Plum said:
This new Taycan can take 400kw (0.46g) of regeneration so will take load from the brakes.
That was the most impressive statistic I took from the story. That's an enormous amount of regen.For context, our Nissan Leaf at max regen only takes 35kW.
cerb4.5lee said:
pheonix478 said:
cerb4.5lee said:
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Car manufacturers set cars up at the Nurburgring, however when you get to use them across roads in the UK, the cars end up rattling your teeth out...
Ironic statement given one of the more remarkable aspects of living with a Taycan is the way it soaks up crap roads like little else. See the end of the video I posted above.Car manufacturers set cars up at the Nurburgring, however when you get to use them across roads in the UK, the cars end up rattling your teeth out...
I need to give one of these Taycans a try really, because I genuinely never hear a bad word said against them from either the owners or the reviewers of them.
cerb4.5lee said:
I need to give one of these Taycans a try really, because I genuinely never hear a bad word said against them from either the owners or the reviewers of them.
I’m clearly an outlier then, but didn’t enjoy driving ours at all in the 3 years we had it. So uninspiring that I drive it only when I had to or because it was blocking in other vehicles. Depreciation was painful too, much worse than expected, and overall ownership experience quite lacklustre.YMMV and the gen 2 ones might be better.
Water Fairy said:
50% quicker to 60 than a superbike?
No, sorry wasn't clear at all. Superbike roughly 3 seconds to 60 vs 2ish for this thing...The bike just can't launch from 0 the way the car does plus you need to be a damn good rider to get it right. It's after the first second the bike get's going (0-100 in roughly 5 seconds-ish in other words 60-100 in 2!) but at these rates of acceleration it's too late to catch up. The CoG is too high, you'll just flip trying to match the first second. Edited by pheonix478 on Wednesday 10th April 22:43
JAMSXR said:
Ah you missed my point, well, I wasn’t really clear enough. As my bikes got more BHP, power, tech, speed they did not become better or more fun. My most enjoyable bikes were not the fastest 0-60, quite the opposite.
Totally agree. My most fun bike was an R6. The R1 scared the shlt out of me! I think I was probably faster round a track on the R6 too. The problem we have with where cars are heading is realistically how much lighter is a Taycan going to get when a damn C63 4 pot is coming in at near 2150kg? Fun road cars peaked in the 90's IMO at half the weight and half the power!How the hell can a car manufacturer claim the title of "Turbo" when it hasn't even got one fitted? Porsche trying to badge and tart up an EV as a ICE hoping that the consumer will be suffer hipnotic blindness. It can only be a matter of time the someone brings a legal stop to this EV crap. Time for the European courts to wind their necks me thinks.
wistec1 said:
How the hell can a car manufacturer claim the title of "Turbo" when it hasn't even got one fitted? Porsche trying to badge and tart up an EV as a ICE hoping that the consumer will be suffer hipnotic blindness. It can only be a matter of time the someone brings a legal stop to this EV crap. Time for the European courts to wind their necks me thinks.
LooneyTunes said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I need to give one of these Taycans a try really, because I genuinely never hear a bad word said against them from either the owners or the reviewers of them.
I’m clearly an outlier then, but didn’t enjoy driving ours at all in the 3 years we had it. So uninspiring that I drive it only when I had to or because it was blocking in other vehicles. Depreciation was painful too, much worse than expected, and overall ownership experience quite lacklustre.YMMV and the gen 2 ones might be better.
In my head these cars are a complete waste of time for definite.
However I'm from a completely different era from this EV silliness though for sure in fairness.
Pierre-kma6q said:
Is it a good idea to let people who are not that interested in driving - and therefore not good drivers - accelerate two and a half tonnes from 0 to 100mph in 4.5 seconds?
Probably not a big deal for experienced drivers but EVs having rapid acceleration will be a problem for new drivers who don't have good control of their right foot yet. Not many will go from an average Kia straight to a Taycan so they will have gradual experience of faster cars. Not sure why anyone would but a new Taycan right now, given the hideous depreciation of the model. Yes all cars depreciate and I’m sure you could find examples of other brands that are suffering, but there are 800 for sale on Autotrader this morning including a brand new Turbo S at a Porsche UK dealer with a 34k / 20% discount!
MOOSECORTINA said:
Soon to be in the same bin as betamax players. New EV`s not selling, nobody wants a second hand one, people that can afford the depreciation are running out.
So how about the 84,314 new BEVs sold to end of March this year, a 10.6% increase year on year. My 3.5year old BEV has actually increased in value a few hundred quid over the last couple of months. As to value it is bang on the normal depreciation curve for a car of its age.
2014, 10 year old, BMW i3s trading at between £8,000 - £10,000, 25%-30% of original value. Hardly massive depreciation is it?
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