RE: 2024 Porsche Taycan Turbo GT | PH Review
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ajap1979 said:
Er, because that’s a pre-facelift model. Who wants a brand new old model one at list price?
There are numerous new ICE car deals giving 20-24% discount from Audi, Nissan and the like.It's hardly surprising the outgoing model of the Taycan is being discounted heavily. It's happened for many outgoing model ICEs for decades.
JAMSXR said:
Ah you missed my point, well, I wasn’t really clear enough. As my bikes got more BHP, power, tech, speed they did not become better or more fun. My most enjoyable bikes were not the fastest 0-60, quite the opposite.
Completely agree - the most fun bike I've ever owned was an Aprilia RS250. The big Zeds, GSXRs and the like that I've owned since are the equivalent of these hyperaccelerative monster cars - great fun, but very much blunt instruments in comparison. I love the Taycan and its ilk but, like many others here, I'm looking forward to seeing the manufacturers mass producing something smaller and more handling-orientated
Pierre-kma6q said:
Is it a good idea to let people who are not that interested in driving - and therefore not good drivers - accelerate two and a half tonnes from 0 to 100mph in 4.5 seconds?
I was thinking the same, but I suppose that most buyers of this Taycan will be reasonably interested in driving. It's cars like the MG 4 XPower that are easily accessible to almost anyone that are more worrying to me.BrownEaredDog said:
Pierre-kma6q said:
Is it a good idea to let people who are not that interested in driving - and therefore not good drivers - accelerate two and a half tonnes from 0 to 100mph in 4.5 seconds?
I was thinking the same, but I suppose that most buyers of this Taycan will be reasonably interested in driving. It's cars like the MG 4 XPower that are easily accessible to almost anyone that are more worrying to me.There are loads of young, inexperienced drivers who have an interest in driving.
Doesn't stop them from routinely binning it when they get the risk/reward thing wrong.
GreatScott2016 said:
Impressive is an understatement for sure, but I can't help wonder when the "power and acceleration" war will end. I for one would get just as much enjoyment in something that handles well but takes twice as long to hit 60. It is an engineering marvel for certain, but I still don't yearn for one.
We, the people, are doing it ourselves. The Golf GTI with 200bhp got negative comments for being down on power compared to competitors. The Megane RS got the same comments with 280bhp insteads of the 300+ from competitors. A 400bhp Ferrari really won't cut it anymore. People judge cars based on numbers. Just as amplifiers are often judged on power (watts) etcetera. If we would stop caring so much for that figure then the manufacturers will have to find something else to talk about. But we don't stop caring._ppan said:
GreatScott2016 said:
Impressive is an understatement for sure, but I can't help wonder when the "power and acceleration" war will end. I for one would get just as much enjoyment in something that handles well but takes twice as long to hit 60. It is an engineering marvel for certain, but I still don't yearn for one.
We, the people, are doing it ourselves. The Golf GTI with 200bhp got negative comments for being down on power compared to competitors. The Megane RS got the same comments with 280bhp insteads of the 300+ from competitors. A 400bhp Ferrari really won't cut it anymore. People judge cars based on numbers. Just as amplifiers are often judged on power (watts) etcetera. If we would stop caring so much for that figure then the manufacturers will have to find something else to talk about. But we don't stop caring.
When I was a kid I used to love playing Top Trumps, and like you say, you always wanted the card with the highest top speed/ quickest 0 to 60/highest bhp/most torque etc for sure. However I can't ever remember wanting the car with the heaviest weight though, and that is where the Taycan obviously falls down a bit for me in fairness.
cerb4.5lee said:
I'm definitely in your camp regards the Nurburgring, even with ICE cars as well. I just don't understand the point of the place, and I can't say that I know anyone with a race circuit in their back garden either.
Car manufacturers set cars up at the Nurburgring, however when you get to use them across roads in the UK, the cars end up rattling your teeth out...because we don't have any smooth tarmac in the UK in comparison.
I think it says more about the surface of UK roads than anything else. Have you ever driven the Nordschleife? The surface certainly isn't very flat. I think our local roads are better as are the roads of several countries. So in that sense I understand why the choose the Nordschleife to tune their suspension but of course it's also a big marketing trick.Car manufacturers set cars up at the Nurburgring, however when you get to use them across roads in the UK, the cars end up rattling your teeth out...because we don't have any smooth tarmac in the UK in comparison.
cerb4.5lee said:
I blame the Top Trumps playing cards!
When I was a kid I used to love playing Top Trumps, and like you say, you always wanted the card with the highest top speed/ quickest 0 to 60/highest bhp/most torque etc for sure. However I can't ever remember wanting the car with the heaviest weight though, and that is where the Taycan obviously falls down a bit for me in fairness.
Yeah I understand what you mean. My attainable dream car still is an S2 Elise, probably around 25k euro's here for the cheapest ones. Because light. But I have to admit that I'm curious to find out how much the low COG compensates. Besides, the weight is not only from being an EV, it's also down to size and luxury. A big battery easily weighs 300-400kg but an electrical motor is around 50-75kg. So the difference with a heavy V8 with a 80l tank and everything else that is needed for an ICE and an EV doesn't need isn't 500kg. And with batteries becoming lighter I expect differences to more or less disappear within 10 years. But still, as I said, ICE's are heavy too. A 4 pot E-class AMG is over 2200kg's, as someone else pointed out...When I was a kid I used to love playing Top Trumps, and like you say, you always wanted the card with the highest top speed/ quickest 0 to 60/highest bhp/most torque etc for sure. However I can't ever remember wanting the car with the heaviest weight though, and that is where the Taycan obviously falls down a bit for me in fairness.
Edited by _ppan on Thursday 11th April 09:54
_ppan said:
I think it says more about the surface of UK roads than anything else. Have you ever driven the Nordschleife? The surface certainly isn't very flat. I think our local roads are better as are the roads of several countries. So in that sense I understand why the choose the Nordschleife to tune their suspension but of course it's also a big marketing trick.
The carousel doesn't look all that smooth either as you say, and the marketing trick does work a treat I agree. _ppan said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I blame the Top Trumps playing cards!
When I was a kid I used to love playing Top Trumps, and like you say, you always wanted the card with the highest top speed/ quickest 0 to 60/highest bhp/most torque etc for sure. However I can't ever remember wanting the car with the heaviest weight though, and that is where the Taycan obviously falls down a bit for me in fairness.
Yeah I understand what you mean. My attainable dream car still is an S2 Elise, probably around 25k euro's here for the cheapest ones. Because light. But I have to admit that I'm curious to find out how much the low COG compensates. Besides, the weight is not only from being an EV, it's also down to size and luxury. A big battery easily weighs 400kg but an electrical motor is around 50-75kg. So the difference with a heavy V8 with a 80l tank and everything else that is needed for an ICE and an EV doesn't need isn't 500kg. And with batteries becoming lighter I expect differences to more or less disappear within 10 years. But still, as I said, ICE's are heavy too. A 4 pot E-class AMG is over 2200kg's, as someone else pointed out...When I was a kid I used to love playing Top Trumps, and like you say, you always wanted the card with the highest top speed/ quickest 0 to 60/highest bhp/most torque etc for sure. However I can't ever remember wanting the car with the heaviest weight though, and that is where the Taycan obviously falls down a bit for me in fairness.
cerb4.5lee said:
In my head I would dismiss the Taycan completely as a performance car because it weighs the same as the 7 seater GLE400d I have. So immediately I just think that it is far too heavy if you know what I mean. Plus my brain is wired to the fact that I would have more fun/be more engaged/involved in my 550kg Caterham in comparison. However I could be wrong with that though, because I haven't driven a Taycan yet to be fair.
Nah I think you're right but imho you're doing the wrong comparison. You don't compare an RS6 to your Caterham either. Those are the kind of cars that are in the same class. M5, E-class AMG, Panamera in the same stable...the weight difference isn't that big in that case. Obviously you won't have the sound but that's a different discussion altogether.BlackandWhite said:
I genuinely want to care and yet the only emotional response that bubbles to the surface is “nice purple”. Am I broken or is motoring a largely emotionless Willy waggling tech fest. Maybe a bit of both.
You're not broken. It might have to do with it being an EV. Things are changing and most humans aren't good at changing. We're routine animals. In 30 years time we will be a minority in appreciating an ICE for it's visceral thrills and we will be considered old fashioned fossils by people that know ICE but haven't grown up with it. All the discussion now about EV's not being fun will be a thing of the past soon. It's all a matter of perspective and what you're used to. And of course more fun oriented EV's. Sound is not the only thing about driving a car if you ask me, there are other things to differentiate on Even though I also have a top 3 of best sounding cars in my head 
RolyRetro said:
Not sure why anyone would but a new Taycan right now, given the hideous depreciation of the model. Yes all cars depreciate and I’m sure you could find examples of other brands that are suffering, but there are 800 for sale on Autotrader this morning including a brand new Turbo S at a Porsche UK dealer with a 34k / 20% discount!
I specced a GT for fun yesterday as I thought it would be quite cool to own one for a bit.20k down
3.8k pm for 4 years
That’s more than 200k to drive it 10k km pa for 4 years
Ouch - I don’t want one that much (not even close)
GT9 said:
I'm not convinced that having an interest in driving makes someone a good driver...
There are loads of young, inexperienced drivers who have an interest in driving.
Doesn't stop them from routinely binning it when they get the risk/reward thing wrong.
Ha, yes, true enough There are loads of young, inexperienced drivers who have an interest in driving.
Doesn't stop them from routinely binning it when they get the risk/reward thing wrong.
I suspect there's still a greater likelihood of an MG 4 XPower owner being clueless about it all and underestimating how much of a handful a 2-tonne, 435 hp car could be if they give it even close to full throttle in a bend (for example).cerb4.5lee said:
BrownEaredDog said:
ajap1979 said:
Pfft, not a single mention of epic depreciation
Right? And what about the range? If it can't manage my daily trip of 600 miles without a break on a single charge then I'm not interested 
Seriously though, I know you're not a fan of EVs(1) but if you get a chance to go for a spin in a BMW i3 then do take it - you'll be surprised at how much fun they can be
(1) - While I don't fully agree, I quite understand you, especially given the slightly ridiculous power-related arms race that is going on at the minute. I really want to try the Ioniq 5 N as this might be the car to bridge the ICE/EV gap. Anyway, it's academic for me at the minute - the charger infrastructure where I need it is *still* woefully inadequate for my requirements
ETA: no possibility of home charging here._ppan said:
cerb4.5lee said:
In my head I would dismiss the Taycan completely as a performance car because it weighs the same as the 7 seater GLE400d I have. So immediately I just think that it is far too heavy if you know what I mean. Plus my brain is wired to the fact that I would have more fun/be more engaged/involved in my 550kg Caterham in comparison. However I could be wrong with that though, because I haven't driven a Taycan yet to be fair.
Nah I think you're right but imho you're doing the wrong comparison. You don't compare an RS6 to your Caterham either. Those are the kind of cars that are in the same class. M5, E-class AMG, Panamera in the same stable...the weight difference isn't that big in that case. Obviously you won't have the sound but that's a different discussion altogether.pheonix478 said:
Exactly. The Taycan weighs 130kg more than a C63 AMG. That's what I've been saying! It has a vastly better cog and polar moment though... everyone complaining about the Taycans weight, as hefty as it is, seem to be living in about 1995.
In fairness the C63 is a lard arse, an Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio or M3 are a few hundred kilos lighter. pheonix478 said:
_ppan said:
cerb4.5lee said:
In my head I would dismiss the Taycan completely as a performance car because it weighs the same as the 7 seater GLE400d I have. So immediately I just think that it is far too heavy if you know what I mean. Plus my brain is wired to the fact that I would have more fun/be more engaged/involved in my 550kg Caterham in comparison. However I could be wrong with that though, because I haven't driven a Taycan yet to be fair.
Nah I think you're right but imho you're doing the wrong comparison. You don't compare an RS6 to your Caterham either. Those are the kind of cars that are in the same class. M5, E-class AMG, Panamera in the same stable...the weight difference isn't that big in that case. Obviously you won't have the sound but that's a different discussion altogether.E90_M3Ross said:
In fairness the C63 is a lard arse, an Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio or M3 are a few hundred kilos lighter.
No argument from me. Its out of control. The rumor for the 2025 M5 is 2435kg!!! Thats bedore you stick 100kg of super in it! M3 is going to be over 2 before we know it.cerb4.5lee said:
I was driving a 2.9 Sierra XR4x4 back in 1995, and that weighed 1275kg. So I'm happy to go back to those times in fairness. Cars have definitely ended up getting very heavy in the intervening years that is for sure.
Nice! It's f
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