RE: Alfa Romeo's first EV is exactly what you'd expect
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Feels like a missed opportunity by Stellantis.
They have the budget end of the market wrapped up so I'd have expected them to push Alfa further upmarket with more luxury inside and better design outside.
This looks like the worst of both worlds, that front-end is a mess, like a Renault Captur, and whoever signed off on that grille should be ashamed of themselves!
They have the budget end of the market wrapped up so I'd have expected them to push Alfa further upmarket with more luxury inside and better design outside.
This looks like the worst of both worlds, that front-end is a mess, like a Renault Captur, and whoever signed off on that grille should be ashamed of themselves!
Mercutio said:
The frustrating thing is not that Alfa is making an electric SUV, it’s that the styling apes just about everything else in this segment.
Sharp slashy lines, black “contrast” roof (why? Why must everything have this)..
And then you have the squared-off front and rear, the emphasis on multiple headlights as a point of distinction…
it’s everywhere. There’s nothing distinct or attractive on this. Alfa has so much design heritage to draw on. It should look over at Maserati, where they’re not afraid to have a sense of brand DNA about their visual design. You might think it’s a bad example, but visually the Grecale is handsome and still looks Maserati.
The grecale is one of the most ugly, nondescript cars ever made, a stain on massers name!Sharp slashy lines, black “contrast” roof (why? Why must everything have this)..
And then you have the squared-off front and rear, the emphasis on multiple headlights as a point of distinction…
it’s everywhere. There’s nothing distinct or attractive on this. Alfa has so much design heritage to draw on. It should look over at Maserati, where they’re not afraid to have a sense of brand DNA about their visual design. You might think it’s a bad example, but visually the Grecale is handsome and still looks Maserati.
wal 45 said:
theplayingmantis said:
yeah because alfas so unreliable these days....!
the comments on any new car are 95% nonsense on PH as there not old sheds or 2nd hand or not cheap enough on the monthlies so vast majority of PH commenters are not in the market, or indeed the target, yet say they should have done this or that or they hate its looks, but these people will still never buy them...there are always a few sensible posts amongst the sea of nonsense, but its hard work. this bit is is not aimed at you toni as you usually make intelligent comments.
the car looks ok for what it is in the segment its in, but will live and die on the costs, and likely will die as wont be as cheap as the asians (nor the saturation given the dealer network in the UK) or non germans, but lacks the brand snobbery for 95% of joe public who would rather have a small premium german. Such is the ubiquitousness of the small electric merc 'suv', always driven incredibly poorly. But then the Uk is not an important market for AR, hence the constant empty promises about expanding/improving dealers.
I would actually try this as a runaround/citycar if it drove ok as it looks a bit different and quirky which is needed in the segment and price within reason isn't a factor, however i'm a small minority, and its will never sell in volume.
the styling is an improvement on the huge missed opportunity of the tonale, and to a lesser extent stelvio which are quite generic and ugly in the metal.
Hmm..not quite. the comments on any new car are 95% nonsense on PH as there not old sheds or 2nd hand or not cheap enough on the monthlies so vast majority of PH commenters are not in the market, or indeed the target, yet say they should have done this or that or they hate its looks, but these people will still never buy them...there are always a few sensible posts amongst the sea of nonsense, but its hard work. this bit is is not aimed at you toni as you usually make intelligent comments.
the car looks ok for what it is in the segment its in, but will live and die on the costs, and likely will die as wont be as cheap as the asians (nor the saturation given the dealer network in the UK) or non germans, but lacks the brand snobbery for 95% of joe public who would rather have a small premium german. Such is the ubiquitousness of the small electric merc 'suv', always driven incredibly poorly. But then the Uk is not an important market for AR, hence the constant empty promises about expanding/improving dealers.
I would actually try this as a runaround/citycar if it drove ok as it looks a bit different and quirky which is needed in the segment and price within reason isn't a factor, however i'm a small minority, and its will never sell in volume.
the styling is an improvement on the huge missed opportunity of the tonale, and to a lesser extent stelvio which are quite generic and ugly in the metal.
This is exactly the sort of car that should have got me back into an Alfa showroom again with intent (was in there last seriously looking at Tonale) but no.
I'd be happy putting our money into their product for exactly for the reason I'm an anti-badge snob, nothing "premium German" in our household or white coloured or with fake tan staining on the seats (unless the daughters were home). No problem with a SUV as it would replace our Skoda Karoq nor the cost as we are at the time of life when a new one is affordable or even it being EV...don't care.
The problem remains it looks frankly awful and I can't see any redeeming factors with the design and it's as simple as that. I could put up with the Alfa dealers if it looked good but it doesn't and remember this is the Veloce version (or similar) pictured not the base model.
As I said good luck Alfa selling this.
as someone else said there damned if they do and damned if they don't on ph.
as someone else said this is simply a giulietta/mito replacement in a segment that is popular and profitable hence stellantis want alfa to have some of the pie. They wont as the pricing will be too high for the majority in the segment and the marque here no longer holds any cachet in that same group, who only thin german = premium and thus justifies higher monthlies than a 'traditonal' high volume brand.
In the UK in this 'non car person' sector most people people will choose the cheaper mokka, which actually looks decent for a vauxhall, or if willing to pay more, something VAGGY, due to the weird reputation VW have garnered as being slightly better than ford/old stellanatis brands/asia.
Those panning the looks, what do they expect in this segment, name a car they like the looks of on this segment as a comparison? the segment isnt one for drop dead design.
This is what happens when the design team are constrained by cost-cutting. This Milano is based on the eCMP architecture that underpins the Jeep Avenger and Fiat 600e. As a result the Milano looks rubbish. I can't believe that all those guys in suits in Milan (of all places) thought this was a good design and would be fit for a brand new Alfa.
I saw concepts floating around and was getting really excited that it'd look something like this:
I saw concepts floating around and was getting really excited that it'd look something like this:
wal 45 said:
That front grille 
Good luck Alfa dealers selling that thing, they could put a Busso in it and I'd still be repulsed by it.
Grill looks like one of those knock off Alfa key rings from AliExpressGood luck Alfa dealers selling that thing, they could put a Busso in it and I'd still be repulsed by it.
Serial Alfa owner and I have no desire to own a crossover. I’ll stick to my decade old Giulietta or Guilia.
No idea why anyone would punt for one of these over a Stelvio or Toe-nail
This is a mess- I don’t get the Alfa strategy at all. The cars aren’t selling - they are selling a hundred cars a month in the UK, next to nothing. Super niche brands like Alpine and Maserati sell 50 a month to give further context as to how few alfas are selling.
This and the Tonale are a mile from where the brand should be. Stellantis have plenty of other brands that can turn out capable small and medium electric SUV style stuff - pug, Citroen , fiat, Vauxhall. I don’t know why they want to do this with Alfa.
It feels like Renault are much more clear on their brands- cheap and cheerful Dacia, solid middle of the road stuff with a bit of French flair in Renault and sporty premium stuff with alpine . The Stellantis brands are all over the place.
This and the Tonale are a mile from where the brand should be. Stellantis have plenty of other brands that can turn out capable small and medium electric SUV style stuff - pug, Citroen , fiat, Vauxhall. I don’t know why they want to do this with Alfa.
It feels like Renault are much more clear on their brands- cheap and cheerful Dacia, solid middle of the road stuff with a bit of French flair in Renault and sporty premium stuff with alpine . The Stellantis brands are all over the place.
I actually quite like it. And it looks (to me) a much better resolved design than the Tonale.
It's very CMA - obvious from side profile and hard points, but I think they've done a very good "Italian" job on it.
It's not an Alfa in the sense of some driver's orgasm or lithe supercar from the 60's, but to me it looks like a great Italian take vs the other Stellantis sister models of this car. It reminds me, (in a good way) of what Lancia did with the new Ypsilon. It's got enough of its own character, while still clearly making the most of platform sharing.
If it's priced well and drives decent enough I hope it does well, as Alfa have struggled to get any traction in the UK recently.
It's very CMA - obvious from side profile and hard points, but I think they've done a very good "Italian" job on it.
It's not an Alfa in the sense of some driver's orgasm or lithe supercar from the 60's, but to me it looks like a great Italian take vs the other Stellantis sister models of this car. It reminds me, (in a good way) of what Lancia did with the new Ypsilon. It's got enough of its own character, while still clearly making the most of platform sharing.
If it's priced well and drives decent enough I hope it does well, as Alfa have struggled to get any traction in the UK recently.
I'm hoping to convince the wife to "trade up" her 6 year old Fiat 500X to something newer and this could fit the bill nicely.
I'm a fan of the looks and tech and hoping the similarities to the platform will swing it.
The 240bhp version sounds tempting but also probably too much £££££ for her budget, though it could even be the time to switch her over to the electric version what with salary sacrifice incentives.
I'm a fan of the looks and tech and hoping the similarities to the platform will swing it.
The 240bhp version sounds tempting but also probably too much £££££ for her budget, though it could even be the time to switch her over to the electric version what with salary sacrifice incentives.
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