RE: Aston boss doubles down on PHEVs amid EV slowdown

RE: Aston boss doubles down on PHEVs amid EV slowdown

Friday 12th April

Aston boss doubles down on PHEVs amid EV slowdown

EV hype was 'politically driven' Stroll says; Aston will make combustion cars until legally told to stop


Back in February Aston Martin quietly announced it was set to delay the introduction of its range of EVs. Now the company’s executive chairman, Lawrence Stroll, has confirmed that the plan is to switch development spend to a new generation of plug-in hybrids instead – with these set to live all the way up to any ultimate ban on combustion engines.

“We planned to launch the first car next year in 2025,” Stroll told journalists during a conference at Aston’s Gaydon HQ yesterday, “we were ready to do so, but it seems there is a lot more hype in the EV market that was politically driven rather than by consumer demand. Particularly at an Aston Martin price point.”

Much of the heavy lifting on Aston’s fully electric range has already been done. Stroll confirmed that Aston has designed a platform that will form the basis of four separate vehicles, these being “a sports car, an SUV, a type of CUV and a halo hypercar. We have all those products designed and technically engineered, so that process is done.”

But what was missing was enthusiasm from the existing customer base. “We speak to our dealers, we speak to our customers, when you have a small network you can communicate easily,” Stroll said, “and everyone said we still want sound, we still want smell. Aston Martin sports cars are not the first car we drive every day.”

The result is a two-year delay, with the first EV now set to make its debut in 2027. Before then, Aston is shifting development effort into creating what will become a range of plug-in hybrids. The first of these will be the already-announced Valhalla supercar, with deliveries set to commence at the beginning of next year. But beyond that there will be front-engined PHEVs, with these being the next-generation successors to the company’s existing portfolio.

“We are going to invest much more heavily in our PHEV programme to be a bridge between full combustion and full electric,” Stroll said, “we think that for our customers and our market that’s going to play out and last quite a while.”

Stroll confirmed that the plan is for the PHEVs to continue to use V8 engines from the company’s existing technical partnership with AMG, but he refused to be drawn on where the electrical side of the powertrain will come from. So it could be Mercedes, or it could be from somewhere else. Stroll also suggested that we will ultimately see a hybridised Aston V12 as well, presumably giving the prospect of a power output somewhere north of 900hp.

“We see PHEVs going to the middle of the 2030s, we don’t believe demand will slow down at all,” Stroll said. And he also confirmed that Aston won’t stop making combustion cars until it has to: “for as long as we’re allowed to legally, we will keep making them. I believe there will always be a demand, although granted that demand will shrink.”

There will be more supercars, too. Aston officially cancelled the mid-engined Vanquish project last year – that being the car that was meant to slot below the Valhalla and be produced in bigger numbers. But now Stroll says he sees the Valhalla coupe as being the start of a series of models. 

“We are going to have various versions, Valhalla is our mid-engined platform,” he said, “we have various concepts, some road versions, some track versions, for what’s going to happen and how Valhalla gets extended – also through to the mid-2030s.”

As always at Aston, interesting times.


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MOOSECORTINA

Original Poster:

173 posts

79 months

Thursday 11th April
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Sure sign that the EV bubble has burst. Good to know that normal cars will be available. Well done Aston Martin, more manufacturers to follow.

howardhughes

1,009 posts

204 months

Thursday 11th April
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“and everyone said we still want sound, we still want smell'

Quite possibly the best quote of the year.

charltjr

187 posts

9 months

Thursday 11th April
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MOOSECORTINA said:
Sure sign that the EV bubble has burst. Good to know that normal cars will be available. Well done Aston Martin, more manufacturers to follow.
This is a tiny, niche manufacturer selling Mercedes power trains in a pretty frock as toys to the wealthy. No surprise that demographic is highly conservative and that Aston don’t have the money to push ahead until they have to.

wisbech

2,980 posts

121 months

Thursday 11th April
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MOOSECORTINA said:
Sure sign that the EV bubble has burst. Good to know that normal cars will be available. Well done Aston Martin, more manufacturers to follow.
Think Aston Martin have failed badly in their product and branding if they are described as normal cars!

Robigus

38 posts

232 months

Thursday 11th April
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My hypothesis is that politicians were advised incorrectly, that battery technology (solid state) and efficiency improvements would be resolved by 2030. Hence the bravado of combustion bans.

Aston’s plans are an example of market realignment.

The ban’s coming, but at the moment it looks like the cure for type 1 diabetes: always 5 years away.

LeMans1989.

9 posts

51 months

Thursday 11th April
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I can’t see myself buying electric, at least not for quite some time. I don’t agree with the push to create them (for many reasons) but I’m not going to start a debate about that here as we all know what that leads to. We obviously must do something to address the serious climate change problem but I’m not convinced about the electric car push.

Even after the ice ban comes in there will still be plenty of older ice cars to choose from for many years to come and in my opinion the older they are the more interesting they are to drive.

The government might make it more expensive to drive ice cars but I can’t see it doing anything too drastic otherwise the majority will be priced out of owning a car.

It’s arguably more environmentally friendly to buy a used car than to create another, especially if you don’t do too many miles annually. I will stick with my Alfa 156 GTA for as long as it lasts…, alongside our petrol 2011 C class estate.

wistec1

281 posts

41 months

Thursday 11th April
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The best automotive quote of the year. irrespective of the brands obvious target audience. Its a pleasure to simply see two fingers wafted skwards to the EV ideology that's trying to be forced fed to us. The mans a genius and should be knighted. Fook EV.

86wasagoodyear

397 posts

96 months

Thursday 11th April
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Stroll telling it like it is, real-world pragmatism at his price point.
The same pragmatism applies for the vast majority of car buyers at the low-price, high-volume end of the market. The masses (and most car companies, I suspect) are waiting for the grandstanding, lobbyist-loving politicians & regulators to catch up with real-life realities - as proved by hardly any EVs being bought privately.

Tommo87

4,220 posts

113 months

Thursday 11th April
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charltjr said:
This is a tiny, niche manufacturer selling Mercedes power trains in a pretty frock as toys to the wealthy. No surprise that demographic is highly conservative and that Aston don’t have the money to push ahead until they have to.
You already have an electric car, don’t you?




Well, I’m so sorry that the vast majority of people do not like the same things as you.
laugh

ajap1979

8,014 posts

187 months

Thursday 11th April
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^^ Are you twelve?

GreatScott2016

1,191 posts

88 months

Thursday 11th April
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I have a feeling that this thread will be a contentious one, hold on tight folks ...

J4CKO

41,585 posts

200 months

Thursday 11th April
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MOOSECORTINA said:
Sure sign that the EV bubble has burst. Good to know that normal cars will be available. Well done Aston Martin, more manufacturers to follow.
Yeah, because everyone will now just revert to manufacturing and driving ICE not further develop EV's and their infrastructure to reduce the downsides of range, charging and cost as that threefold increase in efficiency is just not worth having ? Because middle aged and older blokes like what they can afford and are familiar with and have a tantrum when EVs are mentioned ?

The bubble hasnt burst, its still getting going, there is absolutely no way in 25 years anyone will be buying a new ICE car in the UK, this is a transitional period, with ups and downs, but one way or another, electric motors will be powering the bulk of transport in the future.

Not sure why its so hard to grasp, I like ICE cars and have no immediate plans for an EV, I dont rule it in or out but this is happening and its not going away, very naive to think that one article on PH about 200k plus luxury cars sounds the death knell for the EV.


Chasing Potatoes

213 posts

5 months

Thursday 11th April
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Electric is an existential threat to the likes of AM. And Stroll knows it.

eein

1,338 posts

265 months

Thursday 11th April
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Would have been useful for him to chuck in a side comment about sustainable fuels or something like that. At least a token nod towards improved sustainability, if only to avoid the brand becoming the preserve of rich MAGA army luddites, and to give the wealthy some eco-woke sound bites to share with their peers to feel better about themselves.


plfrench

2,375 posts

268 months

Thursday 11th April
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Does not compute. If they genuinely have four fully developed and signed off EVs waiting to go, the last thing they would want to do is not release them. That amount of depreciating development just doesn’t make financial sense and smacks to me of a desperate spin PR to try and come across as bad old regulators, good AM who are on the customer’s side.

Competition like Maserati and Porsche stealing a march in the new era whilst Aston Martin hide behind this convenient excuse - sounds more realistic.

BlackTank

111 posts

143 months

Thursday 11th April
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I like the rapidly evolving EV tech and am really looking forward to our first EV. But it will be a superb appliance with seating for 5, a decent boot, cheap running costs and something that I park and forget. And it will need to be below £20K. I have no interest in an expensive EV.

Putting aside all the childish political blowhard rubbish in this thread, niche manufacturers need to know their customer base to survive and AM is reassuring its base. This is completely irrelevant to the overall change in volume transportation.

GT9

6,598 posts

172 months

Thursday 11th April
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Aston got into bed with the now defunct Britishvolt, and have only recently announced a tie-up with Lucid.
Is it any wonder that their EV products are not quite ready?
The Chinese battery manufacturers are rapidly tearing up the rule book when it comes to battery energy density and charging times.
Fitting an outdated battery technology to a new product at the premium end of the market is a significant risk for companies like AM.
It makes sense to bide their time.
It's inevitable that the majority of cars will eventually be powered by renewable electricity, it's impossible to ignore the massive lifetime energy consumption savings on offer and the fact that EV batteries are near 100% recyclable.
Present day EVs in the UK are consuming the equivalent of about 1 litre of fossil fuel for every 4-5 litres an ICE car consumes.
That will dwindle to zero with time, no UK government is going to overlook the opportunity to use offshore wind to decarbonise our cars.
There will be delays, bumps in the road, pain and tears, but the endpoint remains the same.

D4rez

1,396 posts

56 months

Thursday 11th April
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These brands are small enough to duck the ZeV mandate and they can carry on for about another 10 years. Given the aged demographic of an Aston buyer it’s not really a surprise. In fairness I think Lamborghini, Ferrari and others have all said they’ll try to desperately cling on for as long as possible

Won’t change a damn thing for the common man though who can’t afford this (but might see it as a victory because someday dream of being able to)

Macboy

739 posts

205 months

Thursday 11th April
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"We have barely got the money to keep the business running and service it's £1billion debt so we haven't got the money to develop EVs...oh and we hate politicians and Greens and hate EVs and it's not what anyone wants blah blah"

D4rez

1,396 posts

56 months

Thursday 11th April
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Macboy said:
"We have barely got the money to keep the business running and service it's £1billion debt so we haven't got the money to develop EVs...oh and we hate politicians and Greens and hate EVs and it's not what anyone wants blah blah"
True, they won’t make 2035 either way. I think they’ll be bought by Geely and turned into an electric sub brand like lotus or cease to exist. Their biggest issue is their buyers are a dying breed