RE: Aston boss doubles down on PHEVs amid EV slowdown
Discussion
Pogle said:
The only EVs I want to see on the roads will have Unigate or Express Dairies on the sides with the gentle tinkling of milk bottles as it goes on its way
Well, you are s
t out of luck there then, our milkman uses a diesel Peugeot and has no signwriting.Thing is, you get one vote, for as long as ye shall live, seven billion plus in the world, there are a lot of EVs out there, every third car is a white Tesla I noticed today, it’s like in GTA where it just keeps spawning the f
kers.Genie is out of the bottle mate, it isn’t going back in however much some want it to be true.
When it gets to critical mass and fuel stations start dwindling even further because they are no longer viable, the supply of ICE cars are all five years old or older, new ones do 400 miles on a charge and you only need to pay say ten grand for a secondhand one and the economy advantages are massive as there is all that spare wind energy vs 3 quid a litre fuel, if you can find it. Well that’s when folk will wonder why they didn’t switch earlier.
My vote is to wait and hoover up some nice V8 stuff cheaply in my next 25 or so years, after that probably won’t be driving or breathing.
Not ruling an EV out entirely, that would be mental like my father in law who in about 1999 said he would never have internet in his house, a fact I reminded him of when I was summoned to fix it.
Carlo, I've made my points, you will rage against the machine, that's cool.
One specific response I would like to make though is the usage phase carbon footprint.
I said almost independent of mileage and speed.
Electricity to charge currently comes in at about 30 g/km.
A couple of hundred kilos a year is 'almost independent', a fair statement when the alternative is a couple of tons.
That's going to drop each year as well, until it's into low single figures for g/km.
To have enough cars on the road to take advantage of that means starting today.
One specific response I would like to make though is the usage phase carbon footprint.
I said almost independent of mileage and speed.
Electricity to charge currently comes in at about 30 g/km.
A couple of hundred kilos a year is 'almost independent', a fair statement when the alternative is a couple of tons.
That's going to drop each year as well, until it's into low single figures for g/km.
To have enough cars on the road to take advantage of that means starting today.
GT9 said:
Carlo, I've made my points, you will rage against the machine, that's cool.
One specific response I would like to make though is the usage phase carbon footprint.
I said almost independent of mileage and speed.
Electricity to charge currently comes in at about 30 g/km.
A couple of hundred kilos a year is 'almost independent', a fair statement when the alternative is a couple of tons.
That's going to drop each year as well, until it's into low single figures for g/km.
To have enough cars on the road to take advantage of that means starting today.
I'm not raging, but it is interesting you are speak the language of the industry, yet are unable to answer or debunk some really simple questions. I think you are merely justifying your role, in your industry. And that's fine. One specific response I would like to make though is the usage phase carbon footprint.
I said almost independent of mileage and speed.
Electricity to charge currently comes in at about 30 g/km.
A couple of hundred kilos a year is 'almost independent', a fair statement when the alternative is a couple of tons.
That's going to drop each year as well, until it's into low single figures for g/km.
To have enough cars on the road to take advantage of that means starting today.
carlo996 said:
GT9 said:
Carlo, I've made my points, you will rage against the machine, that's cool.
One specific response I would like to make though is the usage phase carbon footprint.
I said almost independent of mileage and speed.
Electricity to charge currently comes in at about 30 g/km.
A couple of hundred kilos a year is 'almost independent', a fair statement when the alternative is a couple of tons.
That's going to drop each year as well, until it's into low single figures for g/km.
To have enough cars on the road to take advantage of that means starting today.
I'm not raging, but it is interesting you are speak the language of the industry, yet are unable to answer or debunk some really simple questions. I think you are merely justifying your role, in your industry. And that's fine. One specific response I would like to make though is the usage phase carbon footprint.
I said almost independent of mileage and speed.
Electricity to charge currently comes in at about 30 g/km.
A couple of hundred kilos a year is 'almost independent', a fair statement when the alternative is a couple of tons.
That's going to drop each year as well, until it's into low single figures for g/km.
To have enough cars on the road to take advantage of that means starting today.
GT9 said:
What questions specifically?
carlo966 said:
What I can see is a lot of greenwashing and nonsense from people who are likely in the upper percentile of consumption. desperately projecting their green credentials, whilst ignoring some uncomfortable home truths. I guess you'll still take your transatlantic flights, and banana's in winter.......
Edited by carlo996 on Saturday 13th April 19:20
carlo996 said:
Chasing Potatoes said:
Bananas.
It is isn't it...all these fanatical EV owners talking about how we all have to make the right choices, but actually having no clue whatsoever about the bigger picture. Makes me smile. A lot. carlo996 said:
Chasing Potatoes said:
Bananas.
It is isn't it...all these fanatical EV owners talking about how we all have to make the right choices, but actually having no clue whatsoever about the bigger picture. Makes me smile. A lot. Besides we’re literally talking about halving the carbon footprint of on average the second most carbon intense thing we do after eating (including flying)
So you want to know about my own carbon footprint, you can then call me a hypocrite?
Transatlantic travel (or further), none since before COVID.
Don't buy bananas in summer or winter, except maybe once or twice a year for a cooked breakfast.
I'm describing a way to significantly reduce carbon footprint for car ownership for those why don't care what's under the bonnet.
Whilst continuing to do pretty much exactly what they did before...
I'm also describing a way to revolutionise the way we generate energy, and reduce dependency on the never ending cycle of digging stuff up and relying on others that we pay handsomely to do that for us.
Yeah, I know, China, batteries, same difference.
Maybe.
Maybe not if we are clever and focussed about how to take permanent ownership of the circular economy for batteries.
I see much opportunity for increased energy security and long term prosperity for the UK.
I think it's shame that others see so much threat.
Strangely, and again, not directed at you, but of all the strong negative opinions about electrification that I encounter, it almost always a male-orientated thing.
Almost as if the use of batteries is considered to be emasculating.
I have some theories around this.
Transatlantic travel (or further), none since before COVID.
Don't buy bananas in summer or winter, except maybe once or twice a year for a cooked breakfast.
I'm describing a way to significantly reduce carbon footprint for car ownership for those why don't care what's under the bonnet.
Whilst continuing to do pretty much exactly what they did before...
I'm also describing a way to revolutionise the way we generate energy, and reduce dependency on the never ending cycle of digging stuff up and relying on others that we pay handsomely to do that for us.
Yeah, I know, China, batteries, same difference.
Maybe.
Maybe not if we are clever and focussed about how to take permanent ownership of the circular economy for batteries.
I see much opportunity for increased energy security and long term prosperity for the UK.
I think it's shame that others see so much threat.
Strangely, and again, not directed at you, but of all the strong negative opinions about electrification that I encounter, it almost always a male-orientated thing.
Almost as if the use of batteries is considered to be emasculating.
I have some theories around this.
GT9 said:
So you want to know about my own carbon footprint, you can then call me a hypocrite?
Transatlantic travel (or further), none since before COVID.
Don't buy bananas in summer or winter, except maybe once or twice a year for a cooked breakfast.
I'm describing a way to significantly reduce carbon footprint for car ownership for those why don't care what's under the bonnet.
Whilst continuing to do pretty much exactly what they did before...
I'm also describing a way to revolutionise the way we generate energy, and reduce dependency on the never ending cycle of digging stuff up and relying on others that we pay handsomely to do that for us.
Yeah, I know, China, batteries, same difference.
Maybe.
Maybe not if we are clever and focussed about how to take permanent ownership of the circular economy for batteries.
I see much opportunity for increased energy security and long term prosperity for the UK.
I think it's shame that others see so much threat.
Strangely, and again, not directed at you, but of all the strong negative opinions about electrification that I encounter, it almost always a male-orientated thing.
Almost as if the use of batteries is considered to be emasculating.
I have some theories around this.
#Transatlantic travel (or further), none since before COVID.
Don't buy bananas in summer or winter, except maybe once or twice a year for a cooked breakfast.
I'm describing a way to significantly reduce carbon footprint for car ownership for those why don't care what's under the bonnet.
Whilst continuing to do pretty much exactly what they did before...
I'm also describing a way to revolutionise the way we generate energy, and reduce dependency on the never ending cycle of digging stuff up and relying on others that we pay handsomely to do that for us.
Yeah, I know, China, batteries, same difference.
Maybe.
Maybe not if we are clever and focussed about how to take permanent ownership of the circular economy for batteries.
I see much opportunity for increased energy security and long term prosperity for the UK.
I think it's shame that others see so much threat.
Strangely, and again, not directed at you, but of all the strong negative opinions about electrification that I encounter, it almost always a male-orientated thing.
Almost as if the use of batteries is considered to be emasculating.
I have some theories around this.
It's because your perspective, which you like to bang on about all the time, is skewed. Anyway, I have to get back to Goodwood. You should venture down and see what you're missing
I would love to discuss the wider issue of the circular economy, but you're not ready to receive the information. And yes. You're a hypocrite.
Olivera said:
Is it just me or is PH being taken over by a small clique of rampant pro-EV posters? There's a group of maybe half a dozen that post incessantly on the topic.
If you are asking whether I'm a one of group of bots or paid influencers, then I'll let you decide.Apparently I am, at least that's what people who don't like what I have to say tell me.
Or maybe I just have a lot of time and relevant information to share and enjoy the banter.
I'm feeling mysterious today, shall we go with bot?
Olivera said:
Is it just me or is PH being taken over by a small clique of rampant pro-EV posters? There's a group of maybe half a dozen that post incessantly on the topic.
Yep, they are relentless as well. Like arrogant, obnoxious, stuck up, patronising know it all energiser bunnies (pun intended)The key is to try not to bite, I slip every now and then & I’ll admit that it irritates me for a while afterwards. They get under my skin. It’s a real shame because I like coming on here and I quite like reading other peoples comments even if I don’t agree with them, but when the comments are sooooooo patronising and arrogant it irritates me because it’s unnecessary.
Like I said it’s best to try and ignore them, I’m getting better at skimming past the handful of posters that are like it (I did foolishly slip up earlier in this thread though)
Piston Ted said:
Olivera said:
Is it just me or is PH being taken over by a small clique of rampant pro-EV posters? There's a group of maybe half a dozen that post incessantly on the topic.
Yep, they are relentless as well. Like arrogant, obnoxious, stuck up, patronising know it all energiser bunnies (pun intended)The key is to try not to bite, I slip every now and then & I’ll admit that it irritates me for a while afterwards. They get under my skin. It’s a real shame because I like coming on here and I quite like reading other peoples comments even if I don’t agree with them, but when the comments are sooooooo patronising and arrogant it irritates me because it’s unnecessary.
Like I said it’s best to try and ignore them, I’m getting better at skimming past the handful of posters that are like it (I did foolishly slip up earlier in this thread though)
I am fairly ambivalent to EVs, I don’t own one and have not plans. I don’t pick up any overwhelming pro EV sentiment from GT9, just industry insights and how he believes it will pan out.
I could say there there it will all be fine, ICE cars will be produced indefinitely and this EV thing will be a flash in the pan if it helps ?
But, I would be lying, you would know, I would know and not being Russian that doesnt really work.
I remember visit ling my gran in her nursing home and there was a family celebrating the 90 something birthday of their granny who was slumped in a chair looking not long for this world. One of the relatives said “Never mind nan, you will be better soon and back up and dancing before you know it”, it’s that level of b
ks we would be talking, ICE is not quite there but it’s had its day, and that I love all that makes not one iota of difference to the outcome.Make the most of what we have, nothing is forever.
Olivera said:
Is it just me or is PH being taken over by a small clique of rampant pro-EV posters? There's a group of maybe half a dozen that post incessantly on the topic.
No it's not just you. They are the Jehovah's Witness of PH. Far too much to say and about as interesting as a mug of Horlicks laced with 50 sedatives. So immersed in their own greatness, spending hours a day on here ( fantastic existence) doing wisdom sh#ts on every thread.
Gordon Hill said:
No it's not just you. They are the Jehovah's Witness of PH. Far too much to say and about as interesting as a mug of Horlicks laced with 50 sedatives. So immersed in their own greatness, spending hours a day on here ( fantastic existence) doing wisdom sh#ts on every thread.
Brill.
Clivey said:
How do today's supercar manufacturers differentiate their product in an EV-only future? We are starting to see that the quantity of power and performance on it's own just isn't the answer - especially here in the UK, where you can't even use full throttle on a new hot hatch for more than a few seconds without risking prison time. We're also just beginning to see disillusionment, with reviews and opinions that the new mega-powerful, AWD, computer-guided techfests just leave people cold compared with what came before.
That's certainly where I am with EVs. - The Taycan might look fantastic on a spreadsheet but in the real world, vehicles like it have only served to make massive performance strangely mundane and uninteresting. I just don't want one...but there are thousands of ICE vehicles I'd love to experience for a similar budget.
Your own post outlines the challenge for these marques even in an ICE world....That's certainly where I am with EVs. - The Taycan might look fantastic on a spreadsheet but in the real world, vehicles like it have only served to make massive performance strangely mundane and uninteresting. I just don't want one...but there are thousands of ICE vehicles I'd love to experience for a similar budget.
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