RE: We named the dog 'Milano' | PH Footnote

RE: We named the dog 'Milano' | PH Footnote

Monday 15th April

We named the dog 'Milano' | PH Footnote

After a rough week, Alfa's first electric car is now called the 'Junior'


Isn’t it funny what people choose to care about? Apparently, there was uproar over the weekend (and let’s use ‘uproar’ in the loosest possible sense here) when the Italian government declared that the use of the name ‘Milano’ for Alfa’s incoming compact SUV ‘is banned by law’. Or at least that’s the view Italy’s industry minister, Adolfo Urso, took when he was alerted by union officials that the car would actually be produced in Tcyhy, Poland, rather than in Milan or indeed anywhere else in Italy. 

Quite whether it is actually illegal (Alfa is apparently confident it isn’t) is now a moot point because rather than suffering ongoing controversy on the subject - especially in its crucial home market - Alfa has decided to change the car’s name to ‘Alfa Romeo Junior’ in the ‘spirit of promoting mutual understanding.’ This despite the fact that the firm originally asked for the public’s help in choosing the name, and had selected Milano on the basis that it paid ‘tribute to the city where our history all began in 1910’. 

Putting the best possible spin on it, Jean-Philippe Imparato, Alfa’s CEO, said: “We are perfectly aware that this moment will remain engraved in the history of the Brand. It's a great responsibility but at the same time it's an exciting moment. The choice of the name Alfa Romeo Junior is completely natural, as it is strongly linked to the history of the Brand and has been among our favourites and among the public's favourites since the beginning.”

He added: “We decided to change the name, even though we know that we are not required to do so, because we want to preserve the positive emotion that our products have always generated and avoid any type of controversy. The attention to our new sports compact that we’ve received the past few days is quite exciting as we had an unprecedented number of visits to the online configurator, causing the website to crash for a couple hours."

Now, 'Junior' has some currency of its own (indeed, it was on the previous shortlist) thanks to the GT 1300 Junior that was launched in 1966 and went on to sell 92,000 units, so Alfa hasn’t plucked it from nowhere. But we’ll go right ahead and say that it’s an inferior name to ‘Milano’. For one thing, it provides an opportunity for almost endless puns in English, for another it conjures up an ambiguous sense of inferiority - which is something else you want to avoid in car names. Even family-orientated ones. 

But we feel a little for Alfa here. Aside from not properly considering the optics of the situation in an age that specialises in mock outrage, it seems to have done little wrong. Italians may continue to hold the brand close to their hearts, but Alfa is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Stellantis, a multi-national carmaker that has manufacturing facilities in 30 countries. Certainly within Europe, mass-produced cars are built where it makes commercial sense to do so, with often precious little regard given to romantic notions of lineage. The Land Rover Defender is built in Slovakia. Would we be aggrieved if it were called the Solihull? Probably not.


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Marc H

Original Poster:

208 posts

155 months

Monday 15th April
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Will get in early and say that they could have called it the 'Titchy'

Turbobanana

6,285 posts

202 months

Monday 15th April
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Marc H said:
Will get in early and say that they could have called it the 'Titchy'
I call your Titchy and raise to Alfa Romeo Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny Yellow Polka Dot Bikini.


LuS1fer

41,136 posts

246 months

Monday 15th April
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They can call it what they like, a true Alfa will never be a carthorse SUV.

It's not like Alfetta and Alfasud were strokes of linguistic genius, it's to do with the car it's attached to, not the name and there is the fail in the coffin.

ajprice

27,503 posts

197 months

Monday 15th April
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Still Milano on the website, with a video playing of it with a Milano show plate. This isn't a quick typo edit to fix the name.

Dombilano

1,141 posts

56 months

Monday 15th April
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Frigging Italians, I bet if it was a low slung two door with a V8, and still built in Poland, there'd be little to no issue calling it Milano.
I'm no EV advocate, but I really don't like politics and gesturing interfering with stuff, leave it as Milano.

F1GTRUeno

6,356 posts

219 months

Monday 15th April
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Stupid nationalist jingoism for snowflakes causes an issue, as ever.

LunarOne

5,214 posts

138 months

Monday 15th April
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Dombilano said:
Frigging Italians, I bet if it was a low slung two door with a V8, and still built in Poland, there'd be little to no issue calling it Milano.
I'm no EV advocate, but I really don't like politics and gesturing interfering with stuff, leave it as Milano.
What about posturing? Do you like that?

dvinell

77 posts

112 months

Monday 15th April
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The character of "Junior" in Stephen King's Under The Dome is not a great role model.

AmazingGrace

65 posts

5 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Quite like that. Has a hint of Il Mostro to it.

Super Sonic

4,856 posts

55 months

Tuesday 16th April
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AmazingGrace said:
Quite like that. Has a hint of Il Mostro to it.
Six headlights, black roof and all. I did mention this in ph's previous thread on this car, so I'm glad it's not just me!

wistec1

281 posts

42 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Just to ps off the politicians the second choice name should of been the "Alfa Mafiosa".

Benzinaio

88 posts

3 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Don't care what they call it.
No electrically powered school run mum truck will ever be an Alfa Romeo in my book........

lancslad58

548 posts

9 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Turbobanana said:
Marc H said:
Will get in early and say that they could have called it the 'Titchy'
I call your Titchy and raise to Alfa Romeo Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny Yellow Polka Dot Bikini.
Not everyone wants a bit fat bloater of a car

big_rob_sydney

3,405 posts

195 months

Tuesday 16th April
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And yet it's perfectly okay for Ferrari to have a car called Roma?

ETA, a few more. Why is it okay for one brand, and not another, hmmm??

Ferrari Portofino
456 GT Venice

1954 Ferrari 750 Monza
1954 Ferrari 250 Monza
1956 Ferrari 860 Monza
2018 Ferrari Monza SP1
2018 Ferrari Monza SP2

360 Modena

340 Mexico

1996 Ferrari 550 Maranello
2002 Ferrari 575M Maranello

Le Mans:
1955 Ferrari 735 LM
1956 Ferrari 625 LM
1962 Ferrari 330 LM
1963 Ferrari 250 LM
1978 Ferrari 512 BB LM
1989 Ferrari F40 LM 'IMSA GTO'
1994 Ferrari F40 LM

Italy
2009 Ferrari 458 Italia
2011 Ferrari 150° Italia (F1)

599 GTB Fiorano

1953 Ferrari 250 Europa
1954 Ferrari 250 Europa GT
1969 Ferrari 212 E

1957 Ferrari 250 GT California Spider
1966 Ferrari 365 California
2008 Ferrari California
2014 Ferrari California T


1950 Ferrari 340 America
1951 Ferrari 342 America
1953 Ferrari 375 America
1956 Ferrari 410 Superamerica
1960 Ferrari 400 Superamerica
2005 Ferrari 575 Superamerica
2011 Ferrari Superamerica 45
2014 Ferrari SP America
2014 Ferrari F60 America

Edited by big_rob_sydney on Tuesday 16th April 03:06

otolith

56,165 posts

205 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Benzinaio said:
Don't care what they call it.
No electrically powered school run mum truck will ever be an Alfa Romeo in my book........
Don’t like SUVs, personally, but the mystique was gone for Alfa when they started selling diesels - going electric doesn’t bother me after that.

lancslad58

548 posts

9 months

Tuesday 16th April
quotequote all
big_rob_sydney said:
And yet it's perfectly okay for Ferrari to have a car called Roma?

ETA, a few more. Why is it okay for one brand, and not another, hmmm??

Ferrari Portofino
456 GT Venice

1954 Ferrari 750 Monza
1954 Ferrari 250 Monza
1956 Ferrari 860 Monza
2018 Ferrari Monza SP1
2018 Ferrari Monza SP2

360 Modena

340 Mexico

1996 Ferrari 550 Maranello
2002 Ferrari 575M Maranello

Le Mans:
1955 Ferrari 735 LM
1956 Ferrari 625 LM
1962 Ferrari 330 LM
1963 Ferrari 250 LM
1978 Ferrari 512 BB LM
1989 Ferrari F40 LM 'IMSA GTO'
1994 Ferrari F40 LM

Italy
2009 Ferrari 458 Italia
2011 Ferrari 150° Italia (F1)

599 GTB Fiorano

1953 Ferrari 250 Europa
1954 Ferrari 250 Europa GT
1969 Ferrari 212 E

1957 Ferrari 250 GT California Spider
1966 Ferrari 365 California
2008 Ferrari California
2014 Ferrari California T


1950 Ferrari 340 America
1951 Ferrari 342 America
1953 Ferrari 375 America
1956 Ferrari 410 Superamerica
1960 Ferrari 400 Superamerica
2005 Ferrari 575 Superamerica
2011 Ferrari Superamerica 45
2014 Ferrari SP America
2014 Ferrari F60 America

Edited by big_rob_sydney on Tuesday 16th April 03:06
I think you missed some of the more mundane

Ford Cortina
Morris Oxford
Austin Cambridge
driving

blue al

951 posts

160 months

Tuesday 16th April
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otolith said:
Benzinaio said:
Don't care what they call it.
No electrically powered school run mum truck will ever be an Alfa Romeo in my book........
Don’t like SUVs, personally, but the mystique was gone for Alfa when they started selling diesels - going electric doesn’t bother me after that.
Most Lamborghinis Were diesels…

clarkson owns a big one ( clue here )

Forester1965

1,514 posts

4 months

Tuesday 16th April
quotequote all
lancslad58 said:
I think you missed some of the more mundane

Ford Cortina
Morris Oxford
Austin Cambridge
driving
They're no Belinda Carlisle.

mooseracer

1,896 posts

171 months

Tuesday 16th April
quotequote all
big_rob_sydney said:
And yet it's perfectly okay for Ferrari to have a car called Roma?

ETA, a few more. Why is it okay for one brand, and not another, hmmm??

Ferrari Portofino
456 GT Venice

1954 Ferrari 750 Monza
1954 Ferrari 250 Monza
1956 Ferrari 860 Monza
2018 Ferrari Monza SP1
2018 Ferrari Monza SP2

360 Modena

340 Mexico

1996 Ferrari 550 Maranello
2002 Ferrari 575M Maranello

Le Mans:
1955 Ferrari 735 LM
1956 Ferrari 625 LM
1962 Ferrari 330 LM
1963 Ferrari 250 LM
1978 Ferrari 512 BB LM
1989 Ferrari F40 LM 'IMSA GTO'
1994 Ferrari F40 LM

Italy
2009 Ferrari 458 Italia
2011 Ferrari 150° Italia (F1)

599 GTB Fiorano

1953 Ferrari 250 Europa
1954 Ferrari 250 Europa GT
1969 Ferrari 212 E

1957 Ferrari 250 GT California Spider
1966 Ferrari 365 California
2008 Ferrari California
2014 Ferrari California T


1950 Ferrari 340 America
1951 Ferrari 342 America
1953 Ferrari 375 America
1956 Ferrari 410 Superamerica
1960 Ferrari 400 Superamerica
2005 Ferrari 575 Superamerica
2011 Ferrari Superamerica 45
2014 Ferrari SP America
2014 Ferrari F60 America

Edited by big_rob_sydney on Tuesday 16th April 03:06
The backlash was that the Milano is being built in Poland.
Afaik Ferraris all built in Italy.

Numeric

1,397 posts

152 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Assuming all the gubbins are competitive and more importantly they really try to revive the brand with competitive financing - well I would much rather something that looks like this than say a Qashquai.

I think it looks really neat.

However - not since the rush of blood to the head that bought us the 156 have they really got a launch right. The issue is that somewhere is a brand book that says Alfa must charge premium pricing, that they are a BMW competitor, so in my experience they launch high, model sells poorly then they try and back fill but it's too late. A problem Jaguar have also seemingly never woken up to.