RE: We named the dog 'Milano' | PH Footnote

[RicksAlfas]

otolith said:

Don’t like SUVs, personally, but the mystique was gone for Alfa when they started selling diesels...

1954?

[Presuming Ed]

big_rob_sydney said:

And yet it's perfectly okay for Ferrari to have a car called Roma?

ETA, a few more. Why is it okay for one brand, and not another, hmmm??

Ferrari Portofino
456 GT Venice

1954 Ferrari 750 Monza
1954 Ferrari 250 Monza
1956 Ferrari 860 Monza
2018 Ferrari Monza SP1
2018 Ferrari Monza SP2

360 Modena

340 Mexico

1996 Ferrari 550 Maranello
2002 Ferrari 575M Maranello

Le Mans:
1955 Ferrari 735 LM
1956 Ferrari 625 LM
1962 Ferrari 330 LM
1963 Ferrari 250 LM
1978 Ferrari 512 BB LM
1989 Ferrari F40 LM 'IMSA GTO'
1994 Ferrari F40 LM

Italy
2009 Ferrari 458 Italia
2011 Ferrari 150° Italia (F1)

599 GTB Fiorano

1953 Ferrari 250 Europa
1954 Ferrari 250 Europa GT
1969 Ferrari 212 E

1957 Ferrari 250 GT California Spider
1966 Ferrari 365 California
2008 Ferrari California
2014 Ferrari California T


1950 Ferrari 340 America
1951 Ferrari 342 America
1953 Ferrari 375 America
1956 Ferrari 410 Superamerica
1960 Ferrari 400 Superamerica
2005 Ferrari 575 Superamerica
2011 Ferrari Superamerica 45
2014 Ferrari SP America
2014 Ferrari F60 America

Edited by big_rob_sydney on Tuesday 16th April 03:06

You wrote all that out to show you don't understand the issue at hand?

[velocemitch]

RicksAlfas said:

otolith said:

Don’t like SUVs, personally, but the mystique was gone for Alfa when they started selling diesels...

1954?

Did that one have a Perkins out of a narrowboat, or was that the (105) Giulia?

[21st Century Man]

pycraft said:

21st Century Man said:

I don't see it as much different from the protected status of foods, Stilton, Champagne, Parma, etc. That's probably what the Minister had in mind.

Coming soon, a Slovakian built Land Rover named the Solihull.

There's a Peavey (American company) loudspeaker called the Sheffield.

All of Marshall's (British amp company) bluetooth speakers are named after places in Britain (Stanmore, Woburn, Acton etc) but built in China.

The Fiat Cinquecento was built in Poland by Daewoo at the FSO plant, our Panda was built there too, though Daewoo had gone by then. I've seen the odd Polonez badged as a Daewoo. The Flying Spur was built in Germany for a while, but at least Bentley didn't plaster it in Union Jacks and call it the Crewe

[fozzymandeus]

Can’t beat the good old days, have rid of this fancy new fangled rubbish.

Cars? What nonsense! Alfa should return to their true roots and stick to making ovens.

[donkmeister]

I was thinking "what the hell is he getting his knickers in a twist about?!"



Then I remembered how upset I get when I see a car with an AMG badge that doesn't have a V8 under the bonnet. They're not proper AMGs!!!! They're shopping cars in a frock!

Carry on Adolfo.

[RicksAlfas]

velocemitch said:

RicksAlfas said:

otolith said:

Don’t like SUVs, personally, but the mystique was gone for Alfa when they started selling diesels...

1954?

Did that one have a Perkins out of a narrowboat, or was that the (105) Giulia?

The 1954 Romeo had an 1160cc two stroke twin cylinder diesel with a Roots type supercharger.

Alfa certainly used Perkins diesels later on in the 1970s. I didn't know it had a maritime origin though!
Their first turbodiesel in 1979 used a VM lump in the Alfetta.

[Halmyre]

lancslad58 said:

I think you missed some of the more mundane

Ford Cortina
Morris Oxford
Austin Cambridge

Or the Mazda Montrose.

[pycraft]

21st Century Man said:

The Fiat Cinquecento was built in Poland by Daewoo at the FSO plant, our Panda was built there too, though Daewoo had gone by then. I've seen the odd Polonez badged as a Daewoo. The Flying Spur was built in Germany for a while, but at least Bentley didn't plaster it in Union Jacks and call it the Crewe

....balanced against which, you have all those Minis built in Germany, Austria and the Netherlands. Didn't they come with the Union Jack brake lights?

[Mr. Potato Head]

Blib said:

Forester1965 said:

They're no Belinda Carlisle.

O/T.

The chap who wrote 'Walk Like an Egyptian' bought my flat in Highgate with some of the royalties.

Carry on.

Belinda Carlisle wasn't in the Bangles?

[pycraft]

spikyone said:

Also not the point. They named their car after Milan to emphasise their historic links to the city. It's a bit of a kick in the teeth to their employees in Milan to have named it after the city but not make it there, or anywhere else in Italy. It's literally the only model they don't make in Italy.
That's very different to being an Italian company, making all your cars in Italy, and calling one after a place that isn't in Italy.

But it's a multinational conglomerate selling cars with Italian-themed branding.

Sorry, but I just think it's weird that naming a car the Alfa Milano creates a revolt when the Alfa Montreal does not. Neither is built in the city it's named after. The Milanese (or the Italians) may think that Stellantis owes them some debt of respect, but I don't think the world works like that. The car is a product, and will get a name that sells the product. And "Junior" is a pretty stupid name for a car.

[LuS1fer]

Mr. Potato Head said:

Blib said:

Forester1965 said:

They're no Belinda Carlisle.

O/T.

The chap who wrote 'Walk Like an Egyptian' bought my flat in Highgate with some of the royalties.

Carry on.

Belinda Carlisle wasn't in the Bangles?

She is Susannah Hoffs best friend though.

[Mr. Potato Head]

LuS1fer said:

She is Susannah Hoffs best friend though.

I must update my celebrity friendship matrix immediately

[otolith]

RicksAlfas said:

otolith said:

Don’t like SUVs, personally, but the mystique was gone for Alfa when they started selling diesels...

1954?

Only in markets where they didn't have any mystique!

[21st Century Man]

pycraft said:

And "Junior" is a pretty stupid name for a car.

It's a traditional Alfa model name that goes way back.

[Blib]

Mr. Potato Head said:

Blib said:

Forester1965 said:

They're no Belinda Carlisle.

O/T.

The chap who wrote 'Walk Like an Egyptian' bought my flat in Highgate with some of the royalties.

Carry on.

Belinda Carlisle wasn't in the Bangles?

Details schmeetails.

[foxhounduk]

This is a PR disaster for Alfa.
Nonsense looking Alfa that dilutes the heritage of this brand and now they have to change the name.

[Daveyraveygravey]

Is this the first time ever Milan(o) has been compared to Solihull?

[spikyone]

pycraft said:

spikyone said:

Also not the point. They named their car after Milan to emphasise their historic links to the city. It's a bit of a kick in the teeth to their employees in Milan to have named it after the city but not make it there, or anywhere else in Italy. It's literally the only model they don't make in Italy.
That's very different to being an Italian company, making all your cars in Italy, and calling one after a place that isn't in Italy.

But it's a multinational conglomerate selling cars with Italian-themed branding.

Sorry, but I just think it's weird that naming a car the Alfa Milano creates a revolt when the Alfa Montreal does not. Neither is built in the city it's named after. The Milanese (or the Italians) may think that Stellantis owes them some debt of respect, but I don't think the world works like that. The car is a product, and will get a name that sells the product. And "Junior" is a pretty stupid name for a car.

They weren't using Montreal to pretend that their car is Canadian though.
Alfa called it Milano for a reason - to celebrate their links to Milan. Yet it's the only Alfa not built in Italy. It's not about whether anyone is owed a debt, it's about Alfa marketing a car as something that it isn't. It's ridiculous to celebrate your links to a city when the car celebrating those links is a badge-engineered Vauxhall Mokka that's built in an entirely different country.

[donkmeister]

Mr. Potato Head said:

LuS1fer said:

She is Susannah Hoffs best friend though.

I must update my celebrity friendship matrix immediately

Remember to add "Mike Myers" too, if you haven't already.

(One of those random things I know but don't know why, Susannah Hoffs is/was the guitarist for Ming Tea, Mike Myers' band. They're the ones playing all the musical cut scene bits in the Austin Powers movies along with Austin's song "Daddy wasn't there", with Ms Hoffs also singing vocals for "what's it all about, Austin".)