RE: Porsche 911 GT3 (991.2) | Cars under the hammer

RE: Porsche 911 GT3 (991.2) | Cars under the hammer

Friday 19th April

Porsche 911 GT3 (991.2) | Cars under the hammer

"One step closer to perfection" is how Andreas Preuninger described the 991.2 GT3. He had a point...


You still can’t buy a brand-new 911 GT3. Unless, of course, you’ve spent your life savings on Macans, Taycans and Cayennes to buddy up with the manager of your local Porsche dealer. And if you haven’t, there’s always the option of picking up a ‘lightly used’ 992 for a decent premium. Obviously the drawn-out, delicate subject of purchasing a new GT3 is old news on PH, but until you can stroll into a Porsche dealership and blithely hand over the list price, it’s going to continue being an issue for many would-be buyers.

Alternatively, you could save yourself a few quid by picking up the preceding 991.2 generation GT3 with a few miles on the clock. It’s not like you’re getting the rough end of the stick by going for the older car. Far from it. While the 992 might have earned racy double wishbone front suspension and a styling makeover, they’re actually very similar offerings. Just as the 992 was lauded as one of the all-time great 911s, so too was the 991.2 a few years prior. 

And though there may be no such thing as a bad GT3, the 991 was comfortably the most controversial of the lot. Radical changes such as the move away from the Mezger engine and the ditching of the six-speed manual gearbox had Porsche loyalists reaching for their pitchforks, not helped by the decision to switch from hydraulic to electric power steering, either. It’d still launch to rave reviews, but Porsche knew it had work to do with the 'Gen 2'. That included a new, 4.0-litre flat-six that was nearly identical to the Cup car, the return of the manual gearbox and tweaks to the steering software to claw back some of that signature 911 feel.

What makes the car we have for auction here a little different is the JCR titanium exhaust poking out the back, so it practically sounds like the Cup car - which is to say utterly spectacular. Adding to the Cup car feel is the seven-speed PDK, which might not be the 991.2-defining manual but the level of urgency it brings (and dare I say some extra usability) suits the racier 991 and 992 generations of GT3 just as well. The rest of the car is surprisingly understated, so much so that it’s easy to look past the yellow callipers denoting carbon ceramic brakes. GT Silver is always a winner, as is the combination of black leather and carbon fibre trim, while the comfy standard sports seats are perfect for grand touring.

The only thing is the 991.2 is so mesmerising on a twisty road that you’ll never want to take it on a motorway. The steering is so precise and intuitive that you’d never suspect it was an electrically-assisted rack. Surface nuance is continually flowing back through the Alcantara (sorry, RaceTex) wrapped wheel. It's hard to miss the 992's firmer chassis settings either; on UK roads the 991.2 GT3 flows stupendously well even with its adaptive dampers in their most stringent setting. It gives up maybe a fraction of control to its replacement, but the trade-off is that it never seems overwrought or belligerent. Above all, though, there's the spellbinding sound of that 4.0-litre engine doing its thing. Which you don't ever forget. 

“One step closer to perfection” is how Andreas Preuninger described the 991.2 GT3 in an interview with PH. Hard to argue with that, really, and while he and the Porsche GT team would take another step with the 992, the resulting sub-seven-minute Nurburgring lap time did come with its disadvantages. The 991.2 GT3 feels a little more forgiving and, in the case of this 15,500-mile car, kinder on the wallet too. It’s guided at £117,500 to £122,500, which when you consider the spec (freer-flowing exhaust, PCCBs, front-axle lift and much more) seems like an awful lot of GT3 goodness for the money. I for one will be immensely jealous of whoever the triumphant bidder turns out to be. The auction kicks off this Sunday.


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wistec1

Original Poster:

287 posts

42 months

Friday 19th April
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What a car. Just a pity perfection is not affordable by the masses.

walnut3

222 posts

133 months

Friday 19th April
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I too can't afford it, but neither can I the vast amount of much more mundane machinery that now goes for this kind of price. For the money I reckon not a lot comes close.

The 997.2 gen GT3 used to be my favourite but I've significantly warmed up to the 991.2 over the years, and would actually take the PDK over the manual (sacrilege? Nah)

Drinksleeprepeat

139 posts

48 months

Friday 19th April
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Things what put me off would be the comfort seats,pdk, mismatched tyres and what is the front number plate deletion about?

smilo996

2,795 posts

171 months

Friday 19th April
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As an avid disliker of Porschar 911's, even this looks really very special. Though red rather than German's odd love of yellow would be better.
Automotive perfection with a fundamentally flawed design has taken 60 years of engineering fanaticism. Good they got there.

Wab1974uk

1,003 posts

28 months

Friday 19th April
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Much prefer the look of the 991 GT3 over a 992 GT3.

Take mine in Touring form please.

Quickmoose

4,495 posts

124 months

Friday 19th April
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I'd have to upgrade the seats, but that's pretty much peak 'car' for me, let alone sports car, let alone Porsche, let alone 911.

horsemeatscandal

1,241 posts

105 months

Friday 19th April
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Christ on a bike, that is glorious.

camel_landy

4,919 posts

184 months

Friday 19th April
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Happy to pay retail but there is no way I'm going via a 'flipper' to pay over the odds to have a car that's not in the spec I want.

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GreatScott2016

1,195 posts

89 months

Friday 19th April
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That is lovely. I am not normally anti “de-badging”, but removing the GT3 badge from the rear end of this looks a tad odd to me. I think the black badging would break up the silver a bit too. Anyway, niggles aside, that’s sublime in all other respects. They say never meet your idols for fear of disappointment! I doubt very much that’s true in this case biggrin

Far Cough

2,235 posts

169 months

Friday 19th April
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Drinksleeprepeat said:
Things what put me off would be the comfort seats,pdk, mismatched tyres and what is the front number plate deletion about?
The front numberplate is usually attached to a black plinth that is held in place by 2 self taper screws. This then results in the dealer also using self taper screws at each end of the plate straight through the plinth and then the bumper. This then results in 4 unsightly holes in your front bumper which cannot be got rid of when you attach your shorter personal plate. Many people request the front number plate is not attached on delivery and choose to use double sided tape or similar instead of a nail gun !! Obviously its personal choice as to whether you choose to drive it on the road without a front plate at all.

Price is about right on this given it is the comfort spec and not the full fat Clubsport. 2nd service was 6 months late , doesnt say why and has a knock on effect on its 3rd service. No Porsche Warranty included either and has aftermarket exhaust. Looks clean though

Angelo1985

242 posts

27 months

Friday 19th April
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Good for a few races in gran turismo. Otherwise pretty useless, unless you buy it as a base for proper racing. I don’t get the point of having this car for road use, even if you plan to spend your weekends at track days.

Still, there is a market for it. And don’t put a price on a passion…

DanG355

536 posts

202 months

Friday 19th April
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As a 'road spec' GT3 this ticks a lot of of boxes. Don't ever think of a 991.2 GT3 as soft, but in this spec it makes sense as a fast road/GT car for longer journeys and country road blasts. I'd certainly be very happy opening the garage and seeing this in there every day.

Would still be perfectly suitable on track as well, just not as optimal as a clubsport spec.


Nish Gnackers

1,035 posts

42 months

Friday 19th April
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Far Cough said:
Drinksleeprepeat said:
Things what put me off would be the comfort seats,pdk, mismatched tyres and what is the front number plate deletion about?
The front numberplate is usually attached to a black plinth that is held in place by 2 self taper screws. This then results in the dealer also using self taper screws at each end of the plate straight through the plinth and then the bumper. This then results in 4 unsightly holes in your front bumper which cannot be got rid of when you attach your shorter personal plate. Many people request the front number plate is not attached on delivery and choose to use double sided tape or similar instead of a nail gun !! Obviously its personal choice as to whether you choose to drive it on the road without a front plate at all.

Price is about right on this given it is the comfort spec and not the full fat Clubsport. 2nd service was 6 months late , doesnt say why and has a knock on effect on its 3rd service. No Porsche Warranty included either and has aftermarket exhaust. Looks clean though
In other words retail won't touch it so its going to auction.

Slippydiff

14,850 posts

224 months

Friday 19th April
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Drinksleeprepeat said:
Things what put me off would be the comfort seats,pdk, mismatched tyres and what is the front number plate deletion about?
Comfort seats for a road car actually make a lot of sense, especially if the owner has no intention of tracking it. Could make resale tricky though.
Front number plate deleted for the reasons already given.

Mixed tyres. Unforgivable quite frankly.
For a road car I’d go with 4S’s.

BikeSausage

419 posts

69 months

Friday 19th April
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Yeah, the mixed tyres aren’t a good look on this, so I’d want to explore why.

Way, way over the top for a road car (except for posing), but perfect for the track. Especially with PDK, which makes so much sense on the track.

_Neal_

2,669 posts

220 months

Friday 19th April
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Slippydiff said:
Drinksleeprepeat said:
Things what put me off would be the comfort seats,pdk, mismatched tyres and what is the front number plate deletion about?
Comfort seats for a road car actually make a lot of sense, especially if the owner has no intention of tracking it. Could make resale tricky though.
Front number plate deleted for the reasons already given.

Mixed tyres. Unforgivable quite frankly.
For a road car I’d go with 4S’s.
I would have thought plenty of GT3 owners don't track their cars (always surprises me how a lot of cars that are great/focused on track are never taken there - it's the case with many Caterhams, Lotuses etc, and each to their own of course). PDK and comfort seats is a good combination though - can imagine driving this to the Ring in comfort, cruise control on, heated seats etc, then it being amazing when you get there.

Agreed on the mismatched tyres - crazy on a car which is as much about feel and handling as anything else. Also I wouldn't want Cup tyres on a rear of a 500bhp car if I lived in North Wales! Feels like penny pinching on something of this value - pair of 4S tyres on the rear would be about £800 fitted.

zorba_the_greek

695 posts

223 months

Friday 19th April
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BIG RAFF SHOW!

WCZ

10,537 posts

195 months

Friday 19th April
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Angelo1985 said:
Good for a few races in gran turismo. Otherwise pretty useless, unless you buy it as a base for proper racing. I don’t get the point of having this car for road use, even if you plan to spend your weekends at track days.

Still, there is a market for it. And don’t put a price on a passion…
can drive them to track days and back and they are good on track + feel special/fun/more raw on the road + look nice!

Sevenman

742 posts

193 months

Friday 19th April
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It's ok, but while there's a Cayenne SOTW this is of little interest. That Cayennes outsell 911s nearly 2:1 just shows how much better they are.

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bobj42

28 posts

12 months

Friday 19th April
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funnily enough, i had a drive in one of these fairly recently (but it was a 991.1)
i loved everything about it except for the steering.