Militant runners on country lanes

[lancslad58]

NRG1976 said:

lancslad58 said:

heebeegeetee said:

NRG1976 said:

The strange one is say if there is a group of you walking in single file (think ramblers), then you have to walk with the flow of traffic and not against. You wouldn’t have thought the danger of being hit by a moron is any less?

Hmm, have to say if this is in the HC I am unaware of it.

I wouldn't walk or jog with my back to the traffic.

I suspect NRG1976 is just trying to wind you up, it's common sense to walk against the flow.
Plus from the HC

Rule 2
If there is no pavement, keep to the right-hand side of the road so that you can see oncoming traffic. You should take extra care and be prepared to walk in single file, especially on narrow roads or in poor lightkeep close to the side of the road.It may be safer to cross the road well before a sharp right-hand bend so that oncoming traffic has a better chance of seeing you. Cross back after the bend.

Organised walks or parades involving large groups of people walking along a road should use a pavement if available; if one is not, they should keep to the left. Look-outs should be positioned at the front and back of the group, and they should wear fluorescent clothes in daylight and reflective clothes in the dark. At night, the look-out in front should show a white light and the one at the back a red light. People on the outside of large groups should also carry lights and wear reflective clothing.

An orgnised parade is totally different to a single person or a few ramblers.

[NRG1976]

lancslad58 said:

NRG1976 said:

lancslad58 said:

heebeegeetee said:

NRG1976 said:

The strange one is say if there is a group of you walking in single file (think ramblers), then you have to walk with the flow of traffic and not against. You wouldn’t have thought the danger of being hit by a moron is any less?

Hmm, have to say if this is in the HC I am unaware of it.

I wouldn't walk or jog with my back to the traffic.

I suspect NRG1976 is just trying to wind you up, it's common sense to walk against the flow.
Plus from the HC

Rule 2
If there is no pavement, keep to the right-hand side of the road so that you can see oncoming traffic. You should take extra care and be prepared to walk in single file, especially on narrow roads or in poor lightkeep close to the side of the road.It may be safer to cross the road well before a sharp right-hand bend so that oncoming traffic has a better chance of seeing you. Cross back after the bend.

Organised walks or parades involving large groups of people walking along a road should use a pavement if available; if one is not, they should keep to the left. Look-outs should be positioned at the front and back of the group, and they should wear fluorescent clothes in daylight and reflective clothes in the dark. At night, the look-out in front should show a white light and the one at the back a red light. People on the outside of large groups should also carry lights and wear reflective clothing.

An orgnised parade is totally different to a single person or a few ramblers.

Might want to tell the rambler websites that…

[Solocle]

NRG1976 said:

Might want to tell the rambler websites that…

Involving large groups of people.

Organised doesn't imply large.

What constitutes "large" is left to interpretation.

[NRG1976]

Solocle said:

NRG1976 said:

Might want to tell the rambler websites that…

Involving large groups of people.

Organised doesn't imply large.

What constitutes "large" is left to interpretation.

Not sure what you’re saying, but this is from the main ramblers website :

If you are in a large group keep to the left. There should be a look-out at the front and back of the group wearing fluorescent clothes in daylight and reflective clothes in the dark. At night, the front look-out should have a white light and the rear look-out a red light. People on the outside of large groups should also carry lights and wear reflective clothing.

[lancslad58]

NRG1976 said:

Solocle said:

NRG1976 said:

Might want to tell the rambler websites that…

Involving large groups of people.

Organised doesn't imply large.

What constitutes "large" is left to interpretation.

Not sure what you’re saying, but this is from the main ramblers website :

If you are in a large group keep to the left. There should be a look-out at the front and back of the group wearing fluorescent clothes in daylight and reflective clothes in the dark. At night, the front look-out should have a white light and the rear look-out a red light. People on the outside of large groups should also carry lights and wear reflective clothing.

Well you do what you want to do, if you get run over tough luck.

[Foss62]

lancslad58 said:

NRG1976 said:

Solocle said:

NRG1976 said:

Might want to tell the rambler websites that…

Involving large groups of people.

Organised doesn't imply large.

What constitutes "large" is left to interpretation.

Not sure what you’re saying, but this is from the main ramblers website :

If you are in a large group keep to the left. There should be a look-out at the front and back of the group wearing fluorescent clothes in daylight and reflective clothes in the dark. At night, the front look-out should have a white light and the rear look-out a red light. People on the outside of large groups should also carry lights and wear reflective clothing.

Well you do what you want to do, if you get run over tough luck.

Hard to understand what the background to this advice is? Maybe if the group is very large there are not seen to be realistic possibilities of diving out of the way of an oncoming vehicle, and the (extremely marginal) difference in speed differential from walking with the traffic was seen by someone as worth taking into account? I can't think of anything else.

[Muzzer79]

The thread explains a little the moronic attitude of some drivers when one is following the Highway code and running/walking against traffic when there is no pavement.

I have been beeped at, had waved fists and even had someone chase me around a housing estate to remonstrate as to why I dared to take up a foot of space on the highway.

Mind you, I've also had similar idiocy when I've been running on the left hand side of the road so perhaps it's just morons who think that the road is only for cars?

[NRG1976]

lancslad58 said:

NRG1976 said:

Solocle said:

NRG1976 said:

Might want to tell the rambler websites that…

Involving large groups of people.

Organised doesn't imply large.

What constitutes "large" is left to interpretation.

Not sure what you’re saying, but this is from the main ramblers website :

If you are in a large group keep to the left. There should be a look-out at the front and back of the group wearing fluorescent clothes in daylight and reflective clothes in the dark. At night, the front look-out should have a white light and the rear look-out a red light. People on the outside of large groups should also carry lights and wear reflective clothing.

Well you do what you want to do, if you get run over tough luck.

Ok

[smn159]

Got to laugh at the internet hard men on here, apoplectic with rage at others using 'their' roads.

Makes you wonder how they cope with stuff that actually does have a meaningful impact on their lives

[DonkeyApple]

Foss62 said:

Hard to understand what the background to this advice is? Maybe if the group is very large there are not seen to be realistic possibilities of diving out of the way of an oncoming vehicle, and the (extremely marginal) difference in speed differential from walking with the traffic was seen by someone as worth taking into account? I can't think of anything else.

You can imagine the scenario of say 4/5 ramblers seeing an oncoming car. They'll all move to the side or onto the verge at about the same time and the oncoming driver will, in theory, slow, gauge what vehicles are oncoming and everything is tickityboo. The same scenario with say 20 ramblers and you can imagine the first few move and the oncoming driver possibly gets the erroneous message that all are going to move but in reality, Beryl who is in the middle of the group is distracted by a goldfinch and oblivious to the mess about to unfold and because they aren't reacting then none of the others behind are. So all of a sudden the calculation the incoming driver has made is erroneous. So at that point it becomes smarter to get everyone to walk on the other side and dress Beryl in hiviz and stick her at the back with the job of taking the first hit.

[NRG1976]

DonkeyApple said:

Foss62 said:

Hard to understand what the background to this advice is? Maybe if the group is very large there are not seen to be realistic possibilities of diving out of the way of an oncoming vehicle, and the (extremely marginal) difference in speed differential from walking with the traffic was seen by someone as worth taking into account? I can't think of anything else.

You can imagine the scenario of say 4/5 ramblers seeing an oncoming car. They'll all move to the side or onto the verge at about the same time and the oncoming driver will, in theory, slow, gauge what vehicles are oncoming and everything is tickityboo. The same scenario with say 20 ramblers and you can imagine the first few move and the oncoming driver possibly gets the erroneous message that all are going to move but in reality, Beryl who is in the middle of the group is distracted by a goldfinch and oblivious to the mess about to unfold and because they aren't reacting then none of the others behind are. So all of a sudden the calculation the incoming driver has made is erroneous. So at that point it becomes smarter to get everyone to walk on the other side and dress Beryl in hiviz and stick her at the back with the job of taking the first hit.

Beryl’s sacrifice will be remembered for years to come

[J4CKO]

Muzzer79 said:

The thread explains a little the moronic attitude of some drivers when one is following the Highway code and running/walking against traffic when there is no pavement.

I have been beeped at, had waved fists and even had someone chase me around a housing estate to remonstrate as to why I dared to take up a foot of space on the highway.

Mind you, I've also had similar idiocy when I've been running on the left hand side of the road so perhaps it's just morons who think that the road is only for cars?

I think the problems come in when people do believe they have more claim over road usage than someone else.

Paying VED does not confer any VIP membership of the road users club, many drivers dont pay it anyway as they have a small car or EV, we need to get past that idea, as couple with the fact a car is big and expensive some do seem to think that they are higher in the peckng order, there isnt a pecking order just vulnerable vs not vulnerable, in law we are all equals on the road, Bentley or bicycle, horse or horsebox, just some different rules as to how to operate.

I know some cyclists may seem militant and entitled, pretty sure some are but by and large on a bike its largely about survival.

There is also the factor that for each mode of transport, they have different strengths and weaknesses, different speed, visibility, weight, width etc etc and sometimes that ignorant pratt on a bike is looking forward, has no rear view mirror and is doing 20 mph, stick you head out of your window in the car and see how much you can hear. So you may perceive that as ignorant and holding you up but try and understand they may not have clocked you, its like this kid I knew, thought the little sod was giving me the evil eye all the time, nope, turns out he didnt like wearing his gasses and was just squinting to see better.

Its not your road, nobody has any more claim to it, try to think whether a short delay due to a pedestrian, runner or cyclist is actually impacting you that much ? Do you react to a queue of cars by getting apoplectic in 2.5 seconds like the sight of male buttocks all wrapped in Lycra ?

And, dont treat one road user based on assumptions or prior interactions with similar, thats mental, people are all individuals, if all else fails, remember how many cameras are around nowadays, dashcams, phones and a fair few cyclists have helmet mounted cameras, so your fkwittery can come back to haunt you as the latest viral video trend, so be nice, be courtous and accept that sometimes you may have to wait or slow down.

Please dont be like that bloke using his windscreen washer fluid like some feeble defence mechanism.

[heebeegeetee]

NRG1976 said:

lancslad58 said:

heebeegeetee said:

NRG1976 said:

The strange one is say if there is a group of you walking in single file (think ramblers), then you have to walk with the flow of traffic and not against. You wouldn’t have thought the danger of being hit by a moron is any less?

Hmm, have to say if this is in the HC I am unaware of it.

I wouldn't walk or jog with my back to the traffic.

I suspect NRG1976 is just trying to wind you up, it's common sense to walk against the flow.
Plus from the HC

Rule 2
If there is no pavement, keep to the right-hand side of the road so that you can see oncoming traffic. You should take extra care and be prepared to walk in single file, especially on narrow roads or in poor lightkeep close to the side of the road.It may be safer to cross the road well before a sharp right-hand bend so that oncoming traffic has a better chance of seeing you. Cross back after the bend.

Organised walks or parades involving large groups of people walking along a road should use a pavement if available; if one is not, they should keep to the left. .

Top straw-clutching

Still doesn't change that you were 100% wrong earlier in the thread.

[NRG1976]

heebeegeetee said:

NRG1976 said:

lancslad58 said:

heebeegeetee said:

NRG1976 said:

The strange one is say if there is a group of you walking in single file (think ramblers), then you have to walk with the flow of traffic and not against. You wouldn’t have thought the danger of being hit by a moron is any less?

Hmm, have to say if this is in the HC I am unaware of it.

I wouldn't walk or jog with my back to the traffic.

I suspect NRG1976 is just trying to wind you up, it's common sense to walk against the flow.
Plus from the HC

Rule 2
If there is no pavement, keep to the right-hand side of the road so that you can see oncoming traffic. You should take extra care and be prepared to walk in single file, especially on narrow roads or in poor lightkeep close to the side of the road.It may be safer to cross the road well before a sharp right-hand bend so that oncoming traffic has a better chance of seeing you. Cross back after the bend.

Organised walks or parades involving large groups of people walking along a road should use a pavement if available; if one is not, they should keep to the left. .

Top straw-clutching

Still doesn't change that you were 100% wrong earlier in the thread.

You take all this forum stuff rather seriously don’t you?

[Acuity30]

Muzzer79 said:

The thread explains a little the moronic attitude of some drivers when one is following the Highway code and running/walking against traffic when there is no pavement.

I have been beeped at, had waved fists and even had someone chase me around a housing estate to remonstrate as to why I dared to take up a foot of space on the highway.

Mind you, I've also had similar idiocy when I've been running on the left hand side of the road so perhaps it's just morons who think that the road is only for cars?

Rightly so. I mean running on a busy road is an extremely low IQ thing to do. Not only do you put yourself in danger, you slow everyone down massively. Why not just jog around the park or the housing areas like normal people do.

[James6112]

16 pages on a non-existant problem
(apart from the weirdos who shout at ants)
What a strange corner of the internet
Adding to the pointless post count DOH

[Tindersticks]

Acuity30 said:

Rightly so. I mean running on a busy road is an extremely low IQ thing to do. Not only do you put yourself in danger, you slow everyone down massively. Why not just jog around the park or the housing areas like normal people do.

Because not everyone lives on a housing estate.

Suck it up.

[nickfrog]

Acuity30 said:

Rightly so. I mean running on a busy road is an extremely low IQ thing to do. Not only do you put yourself in danger, you slow everyone down massively. Why not just jog around the park or the housing areas like normal people do.

Do you think you sound normal?

[Acuity30]

Tindersticks said:

Because not everyone lives on a housing estate.

Suck it up.

Unless you live in space, there will always be somewhere other than a road to run on. Even a child learns that of the world pretty quickly

[jasonrobertson86]

Acuity30 said:

Unless you live in space, there will always be somewhere other than a road to run on. Even a child learns that of the world pretty quickly

There are lots of country roads round me which do not have pavements and people run / cycle on them. Cars usually only do 30-40 as they are fairly narrow. Works fine.