RE: New Tesla Model 3 Performance gets 510hp

[GT9]

carlo996 said:

Are you here to talk about your job….again

Is that the sum total of your responses to me now?
I think you are still smarting because I pointed out the hypocrisy of someone who makes a living from recycling but doesn't seem to think it should apply to cars, because 'soul'.

[carlo996]

GT9 said:

Is that the sum total of your responses to me now?
I think you are still smarting because I pointed out the hypocrisy of someone who makes a living from recycling but doesn't seem to think it should apply to cars, because 'soul'.

The point I was making was that you have a biased view of EV whilst not really understanding the wider circular economy

[AshD]

DN52 said:

Regarding this claimed 510bhp. Tesla sent an email to me last night "Introducing Model 3 Performance"

It refers to 460 horsepower rather than 510bhp yet also a 2.9 second 0-60mph time. The previous car had a reported 453bhp and 3.1 second 0-60mph time (per Autocar). I suspect the 460bhp is correct and the 2.9 second also just reflects mostly the difference between 0-60 and 0-62 times, perhaps a very slight performance difference.

That seems in line with earlier comment on here that the Shanghai factory cars are 50bhp down from 510bhp.

In my opinion the move away from Michelin Pilot Sport 4S to Pirelli's will likely be a downgrade and wipe out some of the chassis improvement benefits. Also that claimed range

So the difference in power is as a result of the different batteries supplied into the car - China vs USA. The issue is that the USA car has a higher capacity battery set, meaning it can deliver more power to the drive units, BUT, the USA battery is heavier. So power is higher but because of weight performance is similar.


I had a US built 2020 M3P and currently have a 2022 China built M3P and the US definitely had a a bit more power from standstill.

Also agree with your point re: tyres. Current M3P was delivered with Pirelli, switched back to Michelin Pilot Sports 4S’s and so much better grip in all conditions.

[Tycho]

Chasing Potatoes said:

I think it's best to ignore all the idiots who just want to derail threads rather than ignore them.

[Nomme de Plum]

carlo996 said:

GT9 said:

Is that the sum total of your responses to me now?
I think you are still smarting because I pointed out the hypocrisy of someone who makes a living from recycling but doesn't seem to think it should apply to cars, because 'soul'.

The point I was making was that you have a biased view of EV whilst not really understanding the wider circular economy

Circular economy



Please tell us more.

[carlo996]

Nomme de Plum said:

I fully accept i was not good enough to be a race driver, but still not too shabby around the track, or my career intention to work in F1. As it happens it all came good.

Cringe all you like. You'll still be driving that i3 which apparently you hate Just tell us why you have it and please don't say BIK. It's a city car.

‘Us’

It’s free, like the Tesla. That’s why. I much prefer the Skoda tbh.

And QED as someone already said. Here’s to the King of cringe

[Rumdoodle]

Tycho said:

Chasing Potatoes said:

I think it's best to ignore all the idiots who just want to derail threads rather than ignore them.

Physician, heal thyself.

Anyone got any pictures of boats?

[KingGary]

Nomme de Plum said:

KingGary said:

Nomme de Plum said:

Perhaps he is becoming frustrated with ignorant opinions. Ie those not based on evidence and experience.

What do you say?

I say you’re talking nonsense. Anyone can have an opinion.

Of course. It's the validity of that opinion that counts.

You see opinions are not the same as feelings. You seem not to understand this.

I disagree, anyone’s opinion is valid and they are entitled to it. I understand you, I am simply disagreeing.

I get that you, Potato head and a few others like EVs, and that’s fine. Why can’t you respect that others on this thread, looking at that same Tesla, think it’s a bit st?

There’s no evidence that preferring EVs makes you smarter and claiming it does, achieves the opposite.

[AshD]

WhyOne said:

As are the vast majority of cars, whatever fuel you shove in them.

I see EV's as a convenient, comfortable and financially efficient way of doing the miles which need to be done.

It confuses the hell out of me that so many people (here in particular) seem to feel so threatened by cars powered by electricity?!?

For fun, and driving to places to watch cars race, I'll keep my archaic Honda.

Edited by WhyOne on Wednesday 24th April 17:28

This!

I don’t get the vociferous opposing views. Love cars, my M3P is great and so was my 997, Elise and V8 Esprit.

Sadly finances (kids!) don’t quite yet mean i can have a fun ICE car next to the M3P. But one will appear at some point.


To be fair, the only cars I don’t get are ones with a DSG box. If you want something easy to drive get an EV, if you want fun get one with 3 pedals. Loved my manual mk7 Golf R, hate VW for killing off the manual in it. Especially when they offered it in the US for longer. And i know the GT3 PDK etc is sublime, but i’d still rather it manual. Just personal preference.

So can we have more folks that appreciate all forms of propulsion? After all there are even some folks that like diesel (you 335D fanboys! - kidding i know it’s a great all rounder)

[Chasing Potatoes]

KingGary said:

I disagree, anyone’s opinion is valid and they are entitled to it. I understand you, I am simply disagreeing.

I get that you, Potato head and a few others like EVs, and that’s fine. Why can’t you respect that others on this thread, looking at that same Tesla, think it’s a bit st?

There’s no evidence that preferring EVs makes you smarter and claiming it does, achieves the opposite.

If I tell you the earth is flat does that make my opinion is valid?

You can think what you like. Just as I’m free to disregard or because it doesn’t come from a place of actual experience. The thing that you can’t seem to understand is that I don’t even have an EV. But because my wife does I can absolutely understand where and why they can make sense.

Quite where you get the idea that preferring an EV makes someone smarter is beyond me. No-one has said that. But you know that.

[carlo996]

Nomme de Plum said:

Circular economy



Please tell us more.

Why are you laughing, are you that obtuse? Constantly whining about nonsensical environmental BS but don’t understand the most fundamental issue. Look it up if you want to learn something?

[whp1983]

Itsallicanafford said:

I’m 3 years into plain Jane Model 3 dual motor ownership as part of my only buy petrol for fun policy (for track days or exhibiting our classic) as I think 30 years of being ripped off by oil companies is quite enough. After nearly 50k miles in the Tesla, I absolutely love it. In appliance white, on 18 inch wheels with plastic hub caps and circa 400bhp, it is, hands down, the greatest sleeper of all time. It is laugh out loud fun. I’m having one of these new performances, in black so you would had to look real hard to see it’s a performance. My only slight regret is they didn’t do something nutty, like give it 800bhp…

Likewise, a year into one as a daily driver…. Company leased for tax reasons and wanted to hate it…. But it’s great, fun drive, build quality way better than expected and infrastructure is excellent.
Have a race car for petrol fun and competition so that scratches that itch.

I’d have another Tesla for sure.

[Nomme de Plum]

carlo996 said:

Nomme de Plum said:

I fully accept i was not good enough to be a race driver, but still not too shabby around the track, or my career intention to work in F1. As it happens it all came good.

Cringe all you like. You'll still be driving that i3 which apparently you hate Just tell us why you have it and please don't say BIK. It's a city car.

‘Us’

It’s free, like the Tesla. That’s why. I much prefer the Skoda tbh.

And QED as someone already said. Here’s to the King of cringe

Some of us when we were working determined what the 'free thing' was.

Personally I'd have chosen a Tesla 3P or base Taycan so still odd you chose the i3.

For me in the UK the i3s is perfect for my needs and cheap to run and insure.

[Nomme de Plum]

carlo996 said:

Nomme de Plum said:

Circular economy



Please tell us more.

Why are you laughing, are you that obtuse? Constantly whining about nonsensical environmental BS but don’t understand the most fundamental issue. Look it up if you want to learn something?

I know i do.

I just wonder what your understanding is in relation to decarbonisation, reduction of pollution CO2 and Nox and renewable energy which one can argue is the aim of achieving a move to a more circular economy.


ICEs are defiantly not. Once burnt their fuels add to pollution and specific entropy.

[KingGary]

Chasing Potatoes said:

Do you post this on every thread or just the EV-related ones? I’ll look out for it and try to remember to laugh next time.

[BBYeah]

Does every EV related thread descend into this sort of chaos?

Back on topic, from watching a couple of videos, it seems Tesla have furnished the M3P with some sort of adaptive damping.

"All-New Adaptive Damping
A first for Model 3, and unique to the new Model 3 Performance, our new Adaptive Damping system adjusts to driver and road inputs in real time to optimize ride and handling, while also improving ride comfort.

Much like our powertrain, our adaptive suspension is controlled via Tesla’s in-house software, and is therefore a fully integrated chassis sub-system. This allows significant product adaptability in the future via OTA software updates.

Ride and handling characteristics are now controlled via preset modes:

Standard: relaxed/calm character offering significant comfort and absorption improvement but still well controlled and engaging to drive in all conditions.

Sport: elevates damping control for faster settling times to increase connection with the road during focused driving and improves steering response but still adapts to rougher roads.

Track: body control and response are maximized with reduced adaptation to provide high and consistent performance on closed circuits (automatically selected in Track Mode)."

If the Standard mode is as comfortable as a standard M3, that will be a nice improvement over the old M3P with it's fixed stiff ride.

[Chasing Potatoes]

KingGary said:

Do you post this on every thread or just the EV-related ones? I’ll look out for it and try to remember to laugh next time.

Keep going and you’ll earn your very own one.

Nearly there.

[carlo996]

Nomme de Plum said:

Some of us when we were working determined what the 'free thing' was.

Personally I'd have chosen a Tesla 3P or base Taycan so still odd you chose the i3.

For me in the UK the i3s is perfect for my needs and cheap to run and insure.

These are cars which are hanging around, probably purchased on the whims of folk like you, now, just pool cars...you are familiar with the concept?

[Nomme de Plum]

KingGary said:

I disagree, anyone’s opinion is valid and they are entitled to it. I understand you, I am simply disagreeing.

I get that you, Potato head and a few others like EVs, and that’s fine. Why can’t you respect that others on this thread, looking at that same Tesla, think it’s a bit st?

There’s no evidence that preferring EVs makes you smarter and claiming it does, achieves the opposite.

Simply no. Not all opinions are valid. You could opine that if you held your hand over a naked flame it would not get burnt. It's not born out in fact.

No one can deny feelings as they are personal but opinions are tested and proven (validated) or not.

A person that does not try something has no basis for a valid opinion on that thing. Fact.

[Gordon Hill]

It seems like the PH Jehovah's Witnesses have a new convert, I baptise thee brother Potato, welcome to the brotherhood.